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Sumlin has lost control

i for one, can only imagine that profound hurt and shock that his parents and family must be feeling right now... the word "furious" simply would not be enough!

everyone, that patronizes this great website at some point or another "get's it"... university of texas vs a&m are virtual "arch enemies". nonetheless, when it comes to our "kids"... please allow for us to display a bit more courtesy as well as respect. for this is the primary reason that i started to patronize "horn sports" in the first place... for surely, we are much better than this.
Lol. Speedy Noil wasn't on campus six weeks before he was in trouble with the cops with drugs and alcohol involved. Kenny Hill's parents are probably thrilled he made it as far as he did under Sumlin's "leadership."

 
Lol. Speedy Noil wasn't on campus six weeks before he was in trouble with the cops with drugs and alcohol involved. Kenny Hill's parents are probably thrilled he made it as far as he did under Sumlin's "leadership."
"randolph duke" i love you as well my pal, and you have alway's been a premier "statesman" upon my opinion... but somehow, i really highly doubt that "kenny hill's" parents are now "thrilled" as per this most profound and shocking episode. what part of "3:am" are you not comprehending? their (19 yo kid) could have been badly hurt or even to the dire point of a fatality. i fail to see any humor here...

 
This makes three arrests.
It's been a long offseason.
Yeah, it's really sad. I really don't care about the rivalry when I read things like this. This is not a Texas/Texas A&M thing. I feel for the fans, players and coaches, but, mostly, I feel for the kids. This boy is a 19 year old teenager and just made a really bad decision.

 
Sure. And I think we are looking at the same concerns but in a different way.
Two arrests from Claiborne indicates that something programmatically might be going on because obviously he didn't feel any level of meaningful consequence from the first transgression (despite being suspended for the bowl game).

Maybe it's naive but this PI doesn't bother me all that much. Of course I wish it hadn't happened, but this is more in line with college student stupidity than programmatic issues.
Joe, I like you - even though you are an aggie. :) But this PI SHOULD bother you and it's not naive, it's simply tuning your head the other way. Please don't defend this kids actions as just another college didoh. Where is it written that it is axiomatic that if you attend college you should get so drunk you pass out in a flower bed? Certainly not for football players. The football players at A&M AND UT are always under public scrutiny. This comes with the full ride scholarship they have been awarded. Therefore they are held to different standards than the normal student.

Yeah, I belonged to a fraternity, for a year, and I drank beer. But I never drank myself unconscious. I considered that stupid. As a double major I had to quit the frat because I simply didn't have the time to party. Because I wasn't very smart, all my free time was spent studying anyway. It's a miracle I had any social life at all. My point is, how does a football player have the time to party? Who are his mentors and who does he run with? How did they allow this kid to get into this kind of situation? Were his running buddies drunk as well and were they players? I'm quite certain aggie football players have been warned by the coaches about doing things that embarrass the team and the school.

 
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"randolph duke" i love you as well my pal, and you have alway's been a premier "statesman" upon my opinion...but somehow, i really highly doubt that "kenny hill's" parents are now "thrilled" as per this most profound and shocking episode. what part of "3:am" are you not comprehending? their (19 yo kid) could have been badly hurt or even to the dire point of a fatality. i fail to see any humor here...
At some point, if the parents want anything other for their kid other than a hail mary shot at making the pros and thinking Kevin Sumlin is the only guy who can make it happen, the parents have to assume responsibility for not understanding what has been obvious to a lot of us for months - that Sumlin is using his lack of discipline as a recruiting advantage.

Manziel would never have won the Heisman if he had played for a coach who believed that a player should be held accountable for bad decisions off the field. How can it be lost on a kid's parents that Sumlin doesn't believe players should be held accountable for bad decisions off the field? Parents aren't sending their kids to play for aggy because Sumlin develops character. They aren't sending their kids to play for for aggy because Sumlin stresses academics. Parents are sending their kids to play for aggy because Sumlin is going to look the other way and he is going to let them play regardless of of what dumb things they do off the field.

At some point, parents who send their kids to play for Sumlin have to be thankful the kids made it as far as they did before they found themselves in jail. As I said, Speedy Noil only lasted six weeks before he had an "incident" with the cops involving bad decisions, drugs and alcohol. If there was ever going to be any outrage, we should have expected those who cared about Speedy Noil to call out Sumlin for his lack of leadership. It didn't happen. Quelle surprise.

I'm not saying there is any humor here. I am also not saying there should be any surprise. I will make a prediction that should surprise no one. More TAMU players will be arrested between now and the beginning of the season. Here is another prediction - no meaningful disciplinary action will be taken against any of them by Kevin Sumlin. Kids sign to play for Kevin Sumlin because they want what Kevin Sumlin offers. Kenny Hill knows no meaningful disciplinary actions will be assessed by Kevin Sumlin. Every player on that team knows Kevin Sumlin will not do anything as long as the team goes 8-4 and makes it to a chicken sandwich bowl.

Parents know why their kids are signing to play under Kevin Sumlin. Once the inevitable happens, they can't claim any outrage. It's a package deal. And, in case anyone didn't notice, Manziel didn't graduate. Parents whose kids sign to play for Sumlin have no right to complain when their kids end up with an arrest record or when they don't graduate. They trade the right to complain in exchange for knowing their kid's team will go 8-4, their kid will play in a meaningless bowl game and his coach will make $5 mil a year. It's how the world works in the world of low expectations.

 
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Doc by no stroke am I saying that it's excusable. If either of my sons got a PI from being passed out In front of a bar they'd have to give me a damn good reason to send them back to school.

My point is that it's a common mistake college students make. It's not an excuse but it's not surprising if that makes sense.

Drugs are way more concerning than a kid who got really drunk and ended up passing out.

 
Doc by no stroke am I saying that it's excusable an. If either of my sons got a PI from being passed out In front of a bar they'd have to give me a damn good reason to send them back to school.
My point is that it's a common mistake college students make. It's not an excuse but it's not surprising if that makes sense.

Drugs are way more concerning than a kid who got really drunk and ended up passing out.
And the overwhelming number of ags are going to blame the cops for being overzealous while giving Sumlin a pass for not impressing on the kids whatever they choose to do they need to act responsibly.

None of the ag arrests have anything to do with partying, getting drunk or having fun. Everyone has to do with acting responsibly which Sumlin evidently impress on his players. When dealing with young adults, is there any more important priority than instilling a sense of character and acting responsibly? No, which is what makes the obsession with going 8-4 over education and building character so disturbing.

 
Doc by no stroke am I saying that it's excusable. If either of my sons got a PI from being passed out In front of a bar they'd have to give me a damn good reason to send them back to school.
My point is that it's a common mistake college students make. It's not an excuse but it's not surprising if that makes sense.

Drugs are way more concerning than a kid who got really drunk and ended up passing out.
See this sentence infers that ALL college students do this, so it's not surprising. I never did it - did you? In fact, I would wager that only a small percentage of college kids did/do it.

You'll get no argument from me on the lethality of drugs. But alcohol is by far more deadly and has ruined far more lives than drugs. The statistics bear this out. And, if you are of age, it's legal to possess alcohol. Which makes legalizing dope that much more stupid.

 
Sure. And I think we are looking at the same concerns but in a different way.
Two arrests from Claiborne indicates that something programmatically might be going on because obviously he didn't feel any level of meaningful consequence from the first transgression (despite being suspended for the bowl game).

Maybe it's naive but this PI doesn't bother me all that much. Of course I wish it hadn't happened, but this is more in line with college student stupidity than programmatic issues.
Prop, I get the feeling Sumlin's trying to distance his program from the kind of disciplined program Strong's putting in here at UT. I think Sumlin wants agricultural to be seen as a fun place to come and play, win in the SEC, and not have to deal with what he'd think of as a bunch of ticky-tacky rules. The problem with that approach is that it doesn't take long for disciplinary matters to get out of hand, because the players recruited to that type of program, by their nature, aren't into self-discipline. They're into "showtime", which is fine on the football field, but not so good off of it.

I don't have a dog in this fight, because I'm no fan of the agricultural college, but IF Sumlin doesn't get stricter, he could totally lose control in collie station. It's not easy to run things loosey goosey, then all of a sudden become a disciplinarian.

 
Kevin Sumlin, he's so funny cause he's so fat.:cool:
LOL! Okay, I have studied this post for 15 minutes and I am still unable to discern the basic message being delivered. Were you trying t be ironic or sarcastic or were you responding to a post that evidently has been deleted?

I'm terrified I might be getting dementia.

 
This whole thread makes us sound like aggies. Let's please stop posting about every negative thing that happens in college station, especially when it involves unfortunate legal problems for 18-22 year old kids.
Nah. It's the off season. It's fun to watch them implode.

 
This is fricking hilarious:

Hill was passed out in a planter full of rocks and plants in front of the restaurant-bar when officers arrived

Even Sergio had the good sense to walk away from his car when he passed out and ran into an apartment bldg..

Aggy is really screwed by the lack of integrity of the players on the aggy team. Those misfits better embrace the 4th-7thSEC place finishes Johnny Football gave them, it’s gong to be a long time till they get close to that again.

 
You guys might want to go check out 247, major stuff going down between Baylor and A&M. Hamm apparently posted some personal info about one of the mods on the Baylor site (rehab info). Taylor Hamm might actually get fired over this, was apparently banned from the Baylor boards.

 
This whole thread makes us sound like aggies. Let's please stop posting about every negative thing that happens in college station, especially when it involves unfortunate legal problems for 18-22 year old kids.
quit posting about negatives in c/station? uh, no. it's called schadenfreude (sp?). i dont WISH any of it on our agricultural friends to the east, but when it happens i have no problem watching them squirm.
 
Son of a bitch this is frustrating, I guess it is a requirement to get arrested at least once to be our starting QB, a rite of passage, this should seal the deal for Hill winning the job.

 
quit posting about negatives in c/station? uh, no. it's called schadenfreude (sp?). i dont WISH any of it on our agricultural friends to the east, but when it happens i have no problem watching them squirm.
I think you need to ask yourself why aggie misery brings you schadenfreude if they are irrelevant? Also need to ask yourself why the misery of some 18-22 year old is schadenfreude.

What separates us from them during Mack's glory years? You're just dragging us down to the same level of stupidity.

 
Nah. It's the off season. It's fun to watch them implode.
I've seen your posts on here before and respect your opinion but what you're really saying is that it's fun to watch a young man get arrested because it makes you feel better about you're football team.

 
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