Sumlin has lost control

[djohn2oo8]

Sumlin is going to be another Mack, just without the championship. I mean, the guy coached Keenum AND Manziel, and still couldn't even win a conference championship.

 

[streettopeschel]

Sumlin is going to be another Mack, just without the championship. I mean, the guy coached Keenum AND Manziel, and still couldn't even win a conference championship.

Whatever bitterness Mack's last years produced within our fanbase he DID win 158 games in 16 years. Sumlin wishes he was going to be 'another Mack'.

 

[utisdabomb12]

Whatever bitterness Mack's last years produced within our fanbase he DID win 158 games in 16 years. Sumlin wishes he was going to be 'another Mack'.

Yep Sumlin isn't even close to Mack. I think Mack's last few years have created a narrative that Mack was a horrible coach, when that's the farthest from the truth.

Mack: 3-1 in BCS games, 1 national title, 2 national title games, 12 ten win seasons, 6 divisional titles, and 2 conference titles.

Sumlin: 0 BCS games, 0 national titles, 0 national title games, 2 ten win seasons, 2 divisional titles, and 0 conference titles. Sumlin couldn't even win conference USA.

Let's be real Sumlin can't even hold Mack's jock strap yet.

 

[djohn2oo8]

Whatever bitterness Mack's last years produced within our fanbase he DID win 158 games in 16 years. Sumlin wishes he was going to be 'another Mack'.

I meant in regards to letting players get away with things and letting the inmates run the asylum, creating that sense of entitlement. (Mack's latter years)

 

[streettopeschel]

I meant in regards to letting players get away with things and letting the inmates run the asylum, creating that sense of entitlement. (Mack's latter years)

that's not at all what your first post implied, but OK

 

[Agmaniacmike]

I would be thrilled if Sumlin turns out to be produce similar results to Mack's tenure at Texas. Up to this point, his first couple of seasons at A&M have mirrored Mack's first two years at Texas. The comparisons between Mack and Sumlin as a whole aren't necessarily fair because one has around 25 years of head coaching experience and the other has 6. Mack's first 6 years as a HC were far from perfect, he was average at Appalachian State (D1-AA) and Tulane(limited prior success) and took 5 years to reach a bowl game at UNC and had 2 1 win seasons to kick off his tenure there. Once he got to Texas he coached in the toughest division in college football (ironically became tougher during Fran era at A&M)and only lost 3 games in route to a Cotton Bowl victory with a team lead by a Heisman winner (Ricky Williams). He won 9 games in the regular season the next year and never looked back after that. I don't remember Mack having problems until the early-mid 2000s with arrests, Sumlin has had some problems with arrests, but almost a bigger deal is the failed drug tests early in his tenure, I'm hoping that we can stop the bleeding.

 

[Randolph Duke]

I would be thrilled if Sumlin turns out to be produce similar results to Mack's tenure at Texas. Up to this point, his first couple of seasons at A&M have mirrored Mack's first two years at Texas. The comparisons between Mack and Sumlin as a whole aren't necessarily fair because one has around 25 years of head coaching experience and the other has 6. Mack's first 6 years as a HC were far from perfect, he was average at Appalachian State (D1-AA) and Tulane(limited prior success) and took 5 years to reach a bowl game at UNC and had 2 1 win seasons to kick off his tenure there. Once he got to Texas he coached in the toughest division in college football (ironically became tougher during Fran era at A&M)and only lost 3 games in route to a Cotton Bowl victory with a team lead by a Heisman winner (Ricky Williams). He won 9 games in the regular season the next year and never looked back after that. I don't remember Mack having problems until the early-mid 2000s with arrests, Sumlin has had some problems with arrests, but almost a bigger deal is the failed drug tests early in his tenure, I'm hoping that we can stop the bleeding.

With Claiborne's multiple arrests and Golden heading to rehab just a few weeks after the end of the season, there is no question there was some heavy partying going on during the season and that Sumlin either isn't testing or is ignoring failed tests. There is no was the issue of failed tests is something that was isolated to "early in his tenure." Speedy wasn't on campus 6 weeks before he was busted with weed. He got the message loud and clear from day one that Sumlin doesn't give a crap about illegal drug use. No one over there is worried that a failed drug test or missing classes while sleeping off being drunk as hell will result in any disciplinary issues.

 

[Chapalahorn]

I just saw this on ESPN:

Texas A&M quarterback Kenny Hill has been suspended indefinitely following his arrest early Friday morning. Hill, who will be a sophomore this season and is competing for the starting quarterback job, was arrested just before 3 a.m. on a public intoxication charge, according to the Bryan-College Station Eagle.

 

[HornNdriftwood]

I just saw this on ESPN:Texas A&M quarterback Kenny Hill has been suspended indefinitely following his arrest early Friday morning. Hill, who will be a sophomore this season and is competing for the starting quarterback job, was arrested just before 3 a.m. on a public intoxication charge, according to the Bryan-College Station Eagle.

So, he's suspended from summer conditioning and voluntary workouts. That's rough.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when Aug. rolls around.

 

[doc longhorn]

I would be thrilled if Sumlin turns out to be produce similar results to Mack's tenure at Texas. Up to this point, his first couple of seasons at A&M have mirrored Mack's first two years at Texas. The comparisons between Mack and Sumlin as a whole aren't necessarily fair because one has around 25 years of head coaching experience and the other has 6. Mack's first 6 years as a HC were far from perfect, he was average at Appalachian State (D1-AA) and Tulane(limited prior success) and took 5 years to reach a bowl game at UNC and had 2 1 win seasons to kick off his tenure there. Once he got to Texas he coached in the toughest division in college football (ironically became tougher during Fran era at A&M)and only lost 3 games in route to a Cotton Bowl victory with a team lead by a Heisman winner (Ricky Williams). He won 9 games in the regular season the next year and never looked back after that. I don't remember Mack having problems until the early-mid 2000s with arrests, Sumlin has had some problems with arrests, but almost a bigger deal is the failed drug tests early in his tenure, I'm hoping that we can stop the bleeding.

IMO, Mack Browns greatest attribute was his ability to sell. The reason he became "Mr. February" is because he not only sold the recruits, he sold their parents and the Texas high school coaches on Texas. Because he was so loaded with top flight talent, Mack won in spite of himself

The truth is, what happened to Mack was almost identical to what happened to Bobby Bowden. Unlike DKR, neither of them knew when or how to retire gracefully. As a result their excellent body of work was diminished and both men lost their opportunity to be legendary.

But that is them and neither Sumlin or Strong are in their category and have a long, long way to go before it can be said they are.

 

[streettopeschel]

IMO, Mack Browns greatest attribute was his ability to sell. The reason he became "Mr. February" is because he not only sold the recruits, he sold their parents and the Texas high school coaches on Texas. Because he was so loaded with top flight talent, Mack won in spite of himself
The truth is, what happened to Mack was almost identical to what happened to Bobby Bowden. Unlike DKR, neither of them knew when or how to retire gracefully. As a result their excellent body of work was diminished and both men lost their opportunity to be legendary.

But that is them and neither Sumlin or Strong are in their category and have a long, long way to go before it can be said they are.

You don't think Bowden has legendary status? Ok.

 

[java]

I just saw this on ESPN:Texas A&M quarterback Kenny Hill has been suspended indefinitely following his arrest early Friday morning. Hill, who will be a sophomore this season and is competing for the starting quarterback job, was arrested just before 3 a.m. on a public intoxication charge, according to the Bryan-College Station Eagle.

http://www.theeagle.com/news/crime/article_4525db4e-b6b6-11e3-a27b-0019bb2963f4.html?mode=jqm

Texas A&M sophomore football player Kenny Hill arrested on public intoxication charge outside College Station bar

By ANDREA SALAZAR andrea.salazar@theeagle.com | Posted 2 days ago

A Texas A&M quarterback vying to succeed Johnny Manziel was arrested on a public intoxication charge outside a Northgate bar before dawn on Friday.

Kenny Hill, a 19-year-old sophomore from Southlake, was taken into custody in front of Chimy’s on University Drive just before 3 a.m., according to a College Station police report. He has since posted bail and was released.

Hill was passed out alone in a planter full of rocks and plants in front of the restaurant-bar when officers arrived, police said in the arrest report.

When asked who the current president of the United States was, Hill reportedly answered “Bush” and told officers his name was “Kennedy,” authorities said. Police also said Hill was unable to tell them where he was.

“Due to his level of intoxication, he would have been in danger of someone robbing or harming him as he would not have been able to defend himself,” the arresting officer wrote in the report.

Hill will be suspended indefinitely from athletic activities, as per the department’s policy, said Alan Cannon, associate athletic director. That suspension included Friday night’s spring practice.

Public intoxication is a Class C misdemeanor punishable by a $445 fine.

During the 2013 football season, Hill played in games against Southern Methodist University, Vanderbilt, UTEP and Sam Houston State, during which he threw a 14-yard touchdown pass.

He was a founding member of Play It Forward Southlake, a non-profit organization that collects gently used sporting equipment for underprivileged children.

 

[doc longhorn]

You don't think Bowden has legendary status? Ok.

Nope! At least not nearly like he would have had if he had retired the right way. Same goes for Mack.

 

[Agmaniacmike]

I think we are both broken records on this topic Randolph. I will reiterate that Sumlin or the AD has handed out punishment to all publicly known drug related offenses thus far, whether they are too lenient seems to be valid given that the issues continue to pop up, but the coaching staff has far from ignored the problem but it is safe to say they still haven't gotten to the root of it.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

IMO, Mack Browns greatest attribute was his ability to sell. The reason he became "Mr. February" is because he not only sold the recruits, he sold their parents and the Texas high school coaches on Texas. Because he was so loaded with top flight talent, Mack won in spite of himself
The truth is, what happened to Mack was almost identical to what happened to Bobby Bowden. Unlike DKR, neither of them knew when or how to retire gracefully. As a result their excellent body of work was diminished and both men lost their opportunity to be legendary.

But that is them and neither Sumlin or Strong are in their category and have a long, long way to go before it can be said they are.

Totally agree, especially about the salesman part. Mack could sell anything. Just brew up some fresh coffee and look out.

That helped propel Mack quickly to high standard status among Longhorns, who suddenly felt they could wield a coach like a weapon. No recruit was out of reach. Not if Mack could get in the front door. Fun times.

But the paint began to wear off when over time, his weaknesses in coaching and strategy and some bad hires cost him dearly. Particularly after the MNC but certainly before then as well. The MNC run, as well as the year before it and the year after, was a magical run of unique and above average talent that had matured and developed to full potential - motivated by their own ability to see the potential they all had, collectively, and being led by a legend in the making.

I'm rambling now.

 

[Randolph Duke]

I think we are both broken records on this topic Randolph. I will reiterate that Sumlin or the AD has handed out punishment to all publicly known drug related offenses thus far, whether they are too lenient seems to be valid given that the issues continue to pop up, but the coaching staff has far from ignored the problem but it is safe to say they still haven't gotten to the root of it.

There is absolutely no basis whatsoever for anyone to state that that Sumlin or the AD has handed out punishment to all known drug related offenses thus far. You may use the qualifier "publicly known" but that in no way indicated there is a resolve on the part of Sumlin or anyone else at TAMU to get the drug problem with the football team under control. After Tyrann Matthieu left LSu he admitted he failed so many drug tests he lost count and all of those were willfully ignored by school officials. To say that that type of behavior doesn't happen with SEC schools would be ignoring reality. To claim that tamu would "never" begin to act like a typical SEC school in its zeal to compete would also be ignoring reality. I have no doubt that Sumlin, or a number of other coaches, would resort to the same tactics used by other in their conference or division in order to remain competitive. If it is going on at other SEC schools, and particularly SEC West schools, it will be going on at TAMU.

No one I have ever known or heard of has gone from trying weed for the first time, getting arrested the first time they used it and immediately gone to rehab. You may want to believe Isiah Golden is the first time individual, but you would be kidding yourself if you denied he had to have been partying with illegal drugs prior to his arrest. Claiborne got arrested for both weed and prescription medications. I SERIOUSLY doubt the night of his arrest, which happened during the season, was the first time he had been partying with illegal drugs. I understand part of the aggy psyche is an overwhelming need to believe a certain image you guys have created in your minds. The fake "12th Man" story, your fake championships., the fake story about Reveille being given an honorary rank my the military out of gratitude for the schools overwhelming sacrifice to the nations, and the rest. None of those are true. Neither is the claim that your coach and school administrators will be vigilant and never ending in their quest to make sure illegal drug use isn't tolerated at tamu.

I have no doubt with the scope and scale of the illegal drug problem within the tamu football program that either they aren't testing or failed tests are being ignored. If it is done routinely at LSU, it can be done at tamu. That Speedy Noil was considering LSU and tamu, indicated he wanted to go to a specific type of school. His getting busted less than six weeks after being on campus leads me to believe he likes to party.

I assure you Kevin Sumlin will be no more stringent on any rule that might make any needed player ineligible than he has to. I also assure you he will bend, break or ignore rules to make sure he has the best possible chance of winning. As I have said before, SEC football has had more arrests this year than all other sports at all other schools in all other divisions of college sports. Sumlin is going to deliver that tamu administrators and alumni the SEC style program they so desire. He is well on his was to doing it.

 

[Agmaniacmike]

Spin, spin, spin, there is no tangible evidence to say we are ignoring drug failures other than pure speculation, but there is evidence that we have suspended players for these offenses, most often in a non-mandatory basis by choice, not anything NCAA mandated. We sat practically half of our starting defense for the first two games of the season in 2013 for random tests administered individually of NCAA mandate, that doesn't show any sign of a school ignoring the problem.

 

[doc longhorn]

There is absolutely no basis whatsoever for anyone to state that that Sumlin or the AD has handed out punishment to all known drug related offenses thus far. You may use the qualifier "publicly known" but that in no way indicated there is a resolve on the part of Sumlin or anyone else at TAMU to get the drug problem with the football team under control. After Tyrann Matthieu left LSu he admitted he failed so many drug tests he lost count and all of those were willfully ignored by school officials. To say that that type of behavior doesn't happen with SEC schools would be ignoring reality. To claim that tamu would "never" begin to act like a typical SEC school in its zeal to compete would also be ignoring reality. I have no doubt that Sumlin, or a number of other coaches, would resort to the same tactics used by other in their conference or division in order to remain competitive. If it is going on at other SEC schools, and particularly SEC West schools, it will be going on at TAMU.
No one I have ever known or heard of has gone from trying weed for the first time, getting arrested the first time they used it and immediately gone to rehab. You may want to believe Isiah Golden is the first time individual, but you would be kidding yourself if you denied he had to have been partying with illegal drugs prior to his arrest. Claiborne got arrested for both weed and prescription medications. I SERIOUSLY doubt the night of his arrest, which happened during the season, was the first time he had been partying with illegal drugs. I understand part of the aggy psyche is an overwhelming need to believe a certain image you guys have created in your minds. The fake "12th Man" story, your fake championships., the fake story about Reveille being given an honorary rank my the military out of gratitude for the schools overwhelming sacrifice to the nations, and the rest. None of those are true. Neither is the claim that your coach and school administrators will be vigilant and never ending in their quest to make sure illegal drug use isn't tolerated at tamu.

I have no doubt with the scope and scale of the illegal drug problem within the tamu football program that either they aren't testing or failed tests are being ignored. If it is done routinely at LSU, it can be done at tamu. That Speedy Noil was considering LSU and tamu, indicated he wanted to go to a specific type of school. His getting busted less than six weeks after being on campus leads me to believe he likes to party.

I assure you Kevin Sumlin will be no more stringent on any rule that might make any needed player ineligible than he has to. I also assure you he will bend, break or ignore rules to make sure he has the best possible chance of winning. As I have said before, SEC football has had more arrests this year than all other sports at all other schools in all other divisions of college sports. Sumlin is going to deliver that tamu administrators and alumni the SEC style program they so desire. He is well on his was to doing it.

IMO, you should be patient and watch McPhaul's posts. What has happened at TAMU might only be the tip of the iceberg. I think Mike and Joe are nice guys, love their school like we love ours, and we should give them a little slack because of it. It takes courage and thick skin to come onto a Longhorn site and engage people like you and I.

That being said, I have noticed that more and more aggys are coming out of the woodwork and are proudly wearing their aggy swag WITH the big SEC emblem. Honestly, I sincerely believe they think they have miraculously been transformed into a mighty football program by being vicariously associated with the SEC and its winners. I'm not saying this tongue-in-cheek, I really mean it. Has anyone else noticed this besides me?

I have walked into Academy stores, before, and the aggy swag was sitting gathering dust and the UT stuff was almost sold out. Now all those wonderful people from the barren straits of College Station, can't buy enough aggy meaningless junk. It's simply mystifying.

 

[doc longhorn]

Spin, spin, spin, there is no tangible evidence to say we are ignoring drug failures other than pure speculation, but there is evidence that we have suspended players for these offenses, most often in a non-mandatory basis by choice, not anything NCAA mandated. We sat practically half of our starting defense for the first two games of the season in 2013 for random tests administered individually of NCAA mandate, that doesn't show any sign of a school ignoring the problem.

I agree. Hell, look at Manziel - for his mis-deeds, he had to sit out an entire half, for Gods sake. Now THAT is overly punitive punishment, IMO. He could have been scarred for life.

By-the-way, I heard that aggy self reported all of Manziels little mis-adventures. Any truth to that?

Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha! Gig 'em, thar, you wonderful people. We love you.

 

[Bear19]

Sumlin's attitude toward discipline was exposed his very first season at aggy.

Do not remember the specifics but two or three players were arrested during the summer and he suspended them for the first game which was supposed to be against a Louisiana directional school.

That game was canceled because of a storm so the actual first game was against Florida.

Guess what? They all played.