No beer at DKR in 2014

[BudreauReye]

echeese started with the attacks against me. I tired of them early on.

I absolutely believe the Texas program should be a leader on the field and off. Somehow, people took that belief to be an attack on the UT athletic program.

LHN was innovative. What have we done since LHN that is innovative? Stanford decided to endow each athletic scholarship. That should be a major priority for UT. Our media group sucks, but all anyone wants to say is that the media people have lifetime state employment, so our media group will suck for the foreseeable future. 27 employees. Park them in a dark room and let them rot while still on the payroll and hire 27 competent people. Do something to give us a competent staff. As I pointed out a few days ago, UT pisses $40 million in "unallocated costs" down the drain every year. Send the incompetents to rot, duplicate the costs without the damage to the program the useless people cause and we win in the long run.

Guys like echeese don't see how Texas athletics can lead. We can't be better than we are unless we change. Change isn't a bad thing. We need change. We need a lot of change. We will never be what we can be unless we embrace change. I just don't see what change Patterson is bringing to the program.

You have great things to say ... but, then so does echeese.  One of you needs to be the bigger person and begin to stop this nonsense.  You will both be the bigger for it in the long run.  You both have too much to offer to waste it with this petty bickering.  Please, give us the benefit of your studied discourse.  This is where I am supposed to offer up some witty comment or story that will make it all better ... sorry, I do not have it.  We are supposedly on the same side.  Think what great thoughts we could accomplish if we were not so petty - not just you and cheese, but all of you obstinate folks out there.  Stop it. Quit it. Let us all have a civil discourse together.  Let us make fun, each of the other, about things that do not matter.  Let us discuss seriously, with forcefulness, about the serious issues of the day, without rancor.

Most importantly, let me be able to prepare, in a timely manner, the stir fry that I promised my wife when she came home from work tonight. 

 

[joeywa]

This cannot be stated enough. Patterson does not have the luxury of restructuring a private company. The University of Texas is a public university, and jobs are essentially state jobs. They are almost impossible to get fired from. Patterson is having to choose his battles right now.

Regarding media savvy, Vionis should be doing a better job. No question about it. We do not know what is going on behind the scenes with this, and quite frankly, I'm not sure we need to know. We will see how this progresses over the next 6-12 months.

Regarding beer sales: Cig is the driving force behind this stall, and Patterson is toeing the company line with his replies. And although this goes against what RD says, Patterson is not against 70k fans. That's just an ignorant & highly emotional assessment.

What, (other than beer/wine sales,) are y'all looking for in relation to Game Day experience? How about facilities upgrades? I know there's plans for a new hoops arena, although I don't think the location and time line has been determined. DKR is supposedly getting an enclosure of the South end zone, but again, I'm not certain of a time line. What else?

echeese started with the attacks against me. I tired of them early on.

I absolutely believe the Texas program should be a leader on the field and off. Somehow, people took that belief to be an attack on the UT athletic program.

LHN was innovative. What have we done since LHN that is innovative? Stanford decided to endow each athletic scholarship. That should be a major priority for UT. Our media group sucks, but all anyone wants to say is that the media people have lifetime state employment, so our media group will suck for the foreseeable future. 27 employees. Park them in a dark room and let them rot while still on the payroll and hire 27 competent people. Do something to give us a competent staff. As I pointed out a few days ago, UT pisses $40 million in "unallocated costs" down the drain every year. Send the incompetents to rot, duplicate the costs without the damage to the program the useless people cause and we win in the long run.

Guys like echeese don't see how Texas athletics can lead. We can't be better than we are unless we change. Change isn't a bad thing. We need change. We need a lot of change. We will never be what we can be unless we embrace change. I just don't see what change Patterson is bringing to the program.

Your assessments of what people are and are not saying is off.  For a smart guy, reading comprehension has somehow escaped you in this thread. 

Go back, read what was written, and I'll take this brief moment to show you what I said, only relating to my posts, and how it relates to what you're saying.

• (Duke 7/15 6:49 PM) Our media group sucks, but all anyone wants to say is that the media people have lifetime state employment, so our media group will suck for the foreseeable future.
• (joeywa 7/11 9:28 AM) The University of Texas is a public university, and jobs are essentially state jobs. They are almost impossible to get fired from. Patterson is having to choose his battles right now. 
• (joeywa 7/11 9:28 AM) Regarding media savvy, Vionis should be doing a better job. No question about it.

• (Duke 7/15 6:49 PM) I just don't see what change Patterson is bringing to the program.
• (joeywa 7/11 9:28 AM) We do not know what is going on behind the scenes with this, and quite frankly, I'm not sure we need to know.
• (joeywa 7/11 9:28 AM) We will see how this progresses over the next 6-12 months.

I basically agreed with your take on the Media department; stated that nobody here knows what's going on behind the scenes, and we need to look in 6-12 months to see what changes need to take place.  And, for the record, (until now,) I've only stated the above once, and I don't believe anyone else has broached the subject of state employees.  I'm not sure how that constitutes "all anyone wants to say is that media people have lifetime state employment." 

You don't see what change Patterson is bringing because you are not priivy to the work going on over at the The 40.  Sorry man, you're just not in the loop.  You want to be involved, get on over there and see if they could use an idea man. 

Everyone is not against you.  You just have to stop seeing red at every turn, quit your complaining, and engage in some rational discussion. 

 

[Randolph Duke]

You don't see what change Patterson is bringing because you are not priivy to the work going on over at the The 40. Sorry man, you're just not in the loop. You want to be involved, get on over there and see if they could use an idea man.

Everyone is not against you. You just have to stop seeing red at every turn, quit your complaining, and engage in some rational discussion.

My overall point is that results are what matter and Patterson hasnt delivered any results. He has been on the job 8 months. There is no argument that can be made that Steve Patterson is a dynamic leader. I think Texas needs a dynamic leader. That is where a lot of us disagree. I feel Texas should be a leader on the field and off, and that an administrative caretaker is not the right leader for the biggest athletic department in the nation. I think we should have a dynamic leader that brings something unique to the program, not someone who moves slowly over a period of years.
Patterson is an amazing administrator for a slow moving, plodding program that doesn't embrace change. I don't see that as the model for UT. Obviously, I am in the minority here.

If I am wrong, then explain what Steve Pattetson has brought to the program. Eight months is plenty of time to have assessed the structure of the program and to have articulated a vision. Patterson isn't someone who can deliver a vision for the program. If he was, we would have a vision for the program. The reality is that we have no vision for the program.

If he wants our support, he needs to lead. He hasn't offered any vision that inspires me. What had he offered that inspires anyone else?

Patterson was AD at ASU for 20 months and somehow impressed Powers he was the right guy for UT. The argument that he hasn't had enough time starts to wear thin as he approaches the 20 month threashold at UT. If he can do amazing things at ASU in 20 months, he needs to start delivering for UT sooner rather than later.

 

[joeywa]

My overall point is that results are what matter and Patterson hasnt delivered any results. He has been on the job 8 months. There is no argument that can be made that Steve Patterson is a dynamic leader. I think Texas needs a dynamic leader. That is where a lot of us disagree. I feel Texas should be a leader on the field and off, and that an administrative caretaker is not the right leader for the biggest athletic department in the nation. I think we should have a dynamic leader that brings something unique to the program, not someone who moves slowly over a period of years.

Patterson is an amazing administrator for a slow moving, plodding program that doesn't embrace change. I don't see that as the model for UT. Obviously, I am in the minority here.

I don't believe there is enough evidence of wholesale changes/improvements, nor tremendous failures thus far in his tenure to come to an accurate judgement of whether Patterson is a dynamic leader or not. 

On the coaching front, he has hired Charlie Strong.  He has signed Augie to an extension and he has retained Barnes. 

He cannot go into Bellmont guns a blazin, due to several factors.  Plonsky has lawyered-up.  Both the university president and the chanellor are both in lame-duck status.  Coming off of the Kearney lawsuit, going in and making cuts for the sake of cuts is not the way to proceed here.  I respect that.

We have not had a single down of football played yet.  You, me and just about anyone here on HS have zero idea on what he is doing behind the scenes at Bellmont.  Whether that's with negotiations with new/existing vendors for DKR games, riding the butts of the Media group, making plans for game-day improvements or wanking it in his office; we just don't know. 

This is not Patterson that was the axe man at the Portland Trailblazers, and came in to do all of Paul Allen's dirty work.  The University of Texas is a much different animal.  It's different than ASU.  This is the 800-pound gorilla. 

Changes will come, some you will like, some you won't.  They will not happen fast, but I think it is extremely shortsighted to pin that on Patterson.  The UT Athletic Department is a highly political place, situated directly beneath an highly political Board of Regents.  As I've said, he is methodically picking his battles right now.  Just enjoy the ride.  There is nothing neither you nor I can say that will change the speed with which things happen, nor the impact of his decisions.  Relax. 

 

[Randolph Duke]

I don't believe there is enough evidence of wholesale changes/improvements, nor tremendous failures thus far in his tenure to come to an accurate judgement of whether Patterson is a dynamic leader or not.

On the coaching front, he has hired Charlie Strong. He has signed Augie to an extension and he has retained Barnes.

He cannot go into Bellmont guns a blazin, due to several factors. Plonsky has lawyered-up. Both the university president and the chanellor are both in lame-duck status. Coming off of the Kearney lawsuit, going in and making cuts for the sake of cuts is not the way to proceed here. I respect that.

We have not had a single down of football played yet. You, me and just about anyone here on HS have zero idea on what he is doing behind the scenes at Bellmont. Whether that's with negotiations with new/existing vendors for DKR games, riding the butts of the Media group, making plans for game-day improvements or wanking it in his office; we just don't know.

This is not Patterson that was the axe man at the Portland Trailblazers, and came in to do all of Paul Allen's dirty work. The University of Texas is a much different animal. It's different than ASU. This is the 800-pound gorilla.

Changes will come, some you will like, some you won't. They will not happen fast, but I think it is extremely shortsighted to pin that on Patterson. The UT Athletic Department is a highly political place, situated directly beneath an highly political Board of Regents. As I've said, he is methodically picking his battles right now. Just enjoy the ride. There is nothing neither you nor I can say that will change the speed with which things happen, nor the impact of his decisions. Relax.

So the 20 month track record at ASU isn't going to be matched to UT. Great. No problem. When can we expect some tangible evidence of the the Steve Patterson regime? I would say if 20 months got Patterson to the top of the UT list, we can get expect some tangible evidence why he is the right guy for UT.

 

[joeywa]

So the 20 month track record at ASU isn't going to be matched to UT. Great. No problem. When can we expect some tangible evidence of the the Steve Patterson regime? I would say if 20 months got Patterson to the top of the UT list, we can get expect some tangible evidence why he is the right guy for UT.

Again your reading comprehension needs work.  I said that UT is different than ASU.  It's a much bigger animal.  There are many more layers to deal with politically than there were at ASU.  I said NOTHING about his 20-month track record there being matched or not.  You are once again reading what you want to read. 

And since I've said time and again, 'we don't know what's going on behind the scenes,' and you continually choose to close your ears and yell for answers, my recommendation, once again, is to reach out to Steve Patterson and ask him.  512-471-5757. 

I'm done discussing this with you Randolph.  Let us make a special effort to stop communicating with each other, so we can have some conversation.

 

[streettopeschel]

Eject Joey.

Paterson isn't the guy...not dynamic...show me evidence...no better than an intern.

Lather, rinse repeat.

This level discourse makes orangebloods seem like the Algonquin round table.

 

[joeywa]

Eject Joey.

Paterson isn't the guy...not dynamic...show me evidence...no better than an intern.

Lather, rinse repeat.

This level discourse makes orangebloods seem like the Algonquin round table.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Again your reading comprehension needs work. I said that UT is different than ASU. It's a much bigger animal. There are many more layers to deal with politically than there were at ASU. I said NOTHING about his 20-month track record there being matched or not. You are once again reading what you want to read.

And since I've said time and again, 'we don't know what's going on behind the scenes,' and you continually choose to close your ears and yell for answers, my recommendation, once again, is to reach out to Steve Patterson and ask him. 512-471-5757.

I'm done discussing this with you Randolph. Let us make a special effort to stop communicating with each other, so we can have some conversation.

Steve Patterson isn't going to take my phone call nor is he going to take the phone call of any other of the alumni who isn't willing to write a seven or eight figure check.
Just for the fun of it, I will place a call to him in the morning. I will report back on what happens. Lol.

 

[texasdobbs]

All this talk and one thing is certain. .. Duke don't like Patterson.... Duke don't like Strong....

Duke wants change and states some don't like change at Texas and that's why change is not happening. .. but I submit to Duke that change has happened with a new AD and a new Coach. It seems to me that Duke can't embrace change....

 

[echeese]

echeese started with the attacks against me. I tired of them early on.

Guys like echeese don't see how Texas athletics can lead. 

:lol:

Are you 8?     "he started it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You have gotten Joe Wa to the point he's tired of your "everything sucks" rants. . . do you have any idea how difficult that is?

You poor little victim . . .everyone is picking on you. . . . .often wrong. . never in doubt

:wub:

 

[echeese]

Maybe someone should buy him a drink. Think ECheese would volunteer to do so

I'd be happy to buy him a beer . ..  .or anyone here. . .even Slim and JoeWa despite their recent disses . .. .

In one of the longest threads on the board . ..I am brought up by multiple people but until this morning, I'm not sure I posted on this thread .. . 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Maybe there should be a limit to how many times you can post in one thread AND a limit on how many words can be in a post. Just a thought

 

[Kylie Hopkins]

 what does it cost students these days?

It was $75-85 last year, but got bumped up to $150-175 this year for student tickets.

 

[SFlonghorngirl]

Cool calendar came in the mail from LHF today.  

 

[UTK66]

It was $75-85 last year, but got bumped up to $150-175 this year for student tickets.

That's ridiculous for student tickets. That needs to be fixed, and quickly.

 

[BudreauReye]

I'd be happy to buy him a beer . ..  .or anyone here. . .even Slim and JoeWa despite their recent disses . .. .

In one of the longest threads on the board . ..I am brought up by multiple people but until this morning, I'm not sure I posted on this thread .. . 

Maybe there should be a limit to how many times you can post in one thread AND a limit on how many words can be in a post. Just a thought

Cheese, it is not this thread, you and Randolf get brought up most because of your other recent epic internecine fuss fests.  Slim and Joewa are relative newbies.  By comparison, you and Randolf make the War of the Roses look like a well run community clambake. 

I that most folks here like and appreciate what you and Randolf, and all of those other ne're do well complainerators have to say from time to time ... it is just that the whining gets tiresome after a while.  I don't think limiting numbers of words or posts will do any good, NTG ... somehow we need to be able to limit the number of whines to a reasonable amount per week.  I have no idea how we would do that, so I will leave you all with some things I found that seem to talk about the issue.

It was Jane Wagner, who wrote, The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, who said. “I personally believe we developed language because of our deep inner need to complain.â€

And it was Lou Holtz who said, “Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.â€

But, I digress ... and since I am beginning to think that there is no hope for this situation, here is something that I found that at least attempts to institutionalize the whining that it seems that we will never be able to rid ourselves of.

http://randmacivor.blogspot.com/2012/11/no-whine-before-its-time.html

No Whine Before Its Time Saturday, November 3, 2012 

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Introducing a service that guarantees that the whines you love are sent not to undeserving ears but saved for the most distinctive of palates.

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Is your boss making you work overtime? Are your whites not white? Are your Vanilla Sugar Cookie scented Air Wicks just not satisfying? Are the edges on your new PowerBook too sharp? Is your Tumblr account down and you have nothing at all to do? Are you bored with your life and have no one to whine with because you're afraid of being labelled a whine-o-holic by those who are not properly educated? Don't waste them. Save them as whines of distinction. We here at MacIvor Of Purgatory will bottle your best gripes with care and discerning taste.  

Yes, you can keep a full cellar of the best and proudly display it for selected dignitaries to drool over.

Because, as we all know, the best place for fine whines... is in a bottle... with the cork firmly set in place."

 

[echeese]

Cheese, it is not this thread, you and Randolf get brought up most because of your other recent epic internecine fuss fests.  Slim and Joewa are relative newbies.  By comparison, you and Randolf make the War of the Roses look like a well run community clambake. 

That is my point.(in reference to your goal post moving bolded above) . .this thread went 7 pages before I read it. . .yet when I find I am being called out in some bizzaro world justification of petulant behavior. . .. I'm a personal responsibility kinda guy. . .if you have to blame others for your bad behavior. . .you are pretty immature. . . 

Nor does that change the fact that you do not see me "whining" on other threads about "being picked on" or "He started it" or "calling out" other posters. . . ... .it is frequently the trait of the "internet bitches" who are desperately trying to score a "gottcha point" in some childish game of who got whom more often .. . . . . ..

OTOH, I will confess that posters who make crap up  or that speak in absolutes despite regularly being shown to have little or no actual knowledge of the subject manner are ripe for all manner of mockery. . . .

 

[BudreauReye]

The points being made by myself and others are aimed at everybody, not at you alone.  If you are feeling singled out I suggest you go reread the posts that I made, at least.  If you still feel singled out, there is nothing that I can say to change that.  I guess that if I want to refer to you in a post, I shall have to commence referring to you as, "HE who shall NOT be named!", in order to maintain things in a balanced manner.  Remember, I am not a part of these fuss fests ... I am just commenting on the nature of them.

 

[streettopeschel]

It was $75-85 last year, but got bumped up to $150-175 this year for student tickets.

back in my day (aka the jurassic era) the fee also covered basketball and baseball. is that still the case ?