No beer at DKR in 2014

[streettopeschel]

Attendance will not go down this year.

Preposterous.

it may drop. we're coming off a 4th straight lackluster year and no telling how we'll do this year. that's the way ticket sales work.

what's preposterous is duke's assertion above that it will drop 'until we have a new media group in place' and 'dynamic leadership at the top'. nobody buying tickets, or not, gives a shit about any of that.

if we were coming off a 12-1 season and a bcs bowl, the only fan in the world who would be worrying about those issues is duke.

winning fills seats, mediocrity keeps them from being filled. it really isn't that novel a concept. all of duke's bleatings about patterson/voinis etc are just white noise.

 

[Matt Cotcher]

Attendance is going to fall off this year and until we get a new media group in place. And, probably, until we get dynamic leadership at the head of the program.

I think you're too quick to pass judgment, but do agree with some of your observations. It's not time to bang pots yet, IMO, but many of your opinions seem thought through.

You're way off on this one though. With a first year coach, there is a ton of fan interest in the program. I'll be surprised if 2014 attendance doesn't surpass 2013 numbers.

 

[HornSports Staff]

Fellas -

Give it a rest. Everybody is crystal clear on each other's opinions at this point & you're obviously not going to influence the other side.

There are some good articles/topics posted above. Go talk about the UCLA game, the Q&A or Feeley's Culture Change....

 

[Lukus Alderman]

it may drop. we're coming off a 4th straight lackluster year and no telling how we'll do this year. that's the way ticket sales work.

what's preposterous is duke's assertion above that it will drop 'until we have a new media group in place' and 'dynamic leadership at the top'. nobody buying tickets, or not, gives a shit about any of that.

if we were coming off a 12-1 season and a bcs bowl, the only fan in the world who would be worrying about those issues is duke.

winning fills seats, mediocrity keeps them from being filled. it really isn't that novel a concept. all of duke's bleatings about patterson/voinis etc are just white noise.

The key here is that we have a new head coach who is the first black HC in the history of UT.

Attendance won't drop.

 

[texasdobbs]

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[streettopeschel]

The key here is that we have a new head coach who is the first black HC in the history of UT.

Attendance won't drop.

my larger point was that IF attendance were to drop it won't be for the reasons duke asserts. it will be for the reason that always drives attendance...success or lack thereof on the field. 

if we limp into t/giving with a 6-5 record, there will be 15K empty seats in dkr and it won't be because Patterson didn't tweet enough or we didn't sell beer. conversely, if we're 11-0, it'll be SRO. that's the way this stuff works.

 

[texasdobbs]

my larger point was that IF attendance were to drop it won't be for the reasons duke asserts. it will be for the reason that always drives attendance...success or lack thereof on the field.

if we limp into t/giving with a 6-5 record, there will be 15K empty seats in dkr and it won't be because Patterson didn't tweet enough or we didn't sell beer. conversely, if we're 11-0, it'll be SRO. that's the way this stuff works.

Your not allowed to say things that make sense. ...

 

[Tulsahorn]

Lol. Take booze away from the 30,000 who are getting it and see the result.

We have 70% of the fans being treated like sh!t by Bellmont and those people need to give the finger to Bellmont, just as Bellmont has given them the finger. Patterson and Bellmont will NEVER deliver for the loyal fans until the fans quit showing up.

Good Lord, get a friggin' grip. Quit whining for God's sake!

Getting the finger because no beer at the games??  Don't show up because YOU didn't get something most of the college stadiums don't have anyway?

Your loyalty is amazing.

Try comeing to a game to root for the team, not as an excuse to drink.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Good Lord, get a friggin' grip. Quit whining for God's sake!

Getting the finger because no beer at the games??  Don't show up because YOU didn't get something most of the college stadiums don't have anyway?

Your loyalty is amazing.

Try comeing to a game to root for the team, not as an excuse to drink.

I am amazed at how any suggestion that the Texas program should be a leader on and off the field degenerates into accusations disloyalty and ill motives. 

Just a couple of snippets, not about UT football, not about SEC football, but about college football in general:

Declining student attendance is an illness that has been spreading for years nationwide. But now it has hit the Southeastern Conference, home to college football's best teams and supposedly its most fervent fans, giving athletics officials reason to fret about future ticket sales and fundraising.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304795804579097223907738780

College football attendance stabilized in 2013, but the overall average across FBS schools still was the second lowest since 2003.

All home, neutral-site and bowl games averaged 45,671 fans this past season, an increase of less than 1 percent over the average of 45,440 in 2012. Still, the slight uptick stopped the bleeding for college football, which has seen its attendance steadily decline since a plateau was reached in 2007.

Nowhere is fan behavior more curious than at Florida State, a school steeped in football tradition whose team just completed a national championship run and an undefeated season.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2014/02/17/Colleges/Attendance.aspx
 
ESPN.com approached some of the biggest college football programs and asked them to volunteer their ticket data. How many tickets did programs sell? How many students actually showed up? And why didn't students feel like showing up?

"We have to solve this because we are talking about the season ticket-holders of tomorrow," said Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione. "But interests and attitudes are changing so rapidly it's not easy to quickly identify what we need to do."

.

Not only did Michigan have more no-shows, they also only sold 19,850 student season tickets, about a 10 percent drop from the year before. 

.

Missing one out of every fifth student who bought a ticket has become pretty common these days. Michigan State has sold out its 13,500 student tickets since 2007, but the school says its no-show rate for home games this year still was about 20 percent. That's for a season in which the Spartans went 13-1, won the Big Ten title and ended the season with a victory over Stanford in the Rose Bowl.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10458047/next-generation-ticket-holder-concern-students-show-college-football-games
 
National Champion Florida State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Michigan State, Georgia, Arizona, Iowa, Georgia Tech, Arkansas, Texas Tech, Nebraska as well as all FBS programs as a group. All looking for reasons why the next generation of fans aren't connecting the way they used to with watching college football live at the stadium. And the fans in the best seats who are getting all the amenities they request are laughing when the fans in the "cheap" seats who are being increasingly alienated (as if any seat is "cheap" and as we have been told, one of Patterson's biggest priorities is to ensure prices are going up), are saying "Once we go 12-1, all our problems will be solved." 
 
Yes, Steve Patterson hired Mickey Mouse to find the answer that no other athletic director has yet discovered. Problematically, those fans with the greatest voice, the 30,000 Steve Patterson pays attention to, aren't concerned in the least at demographic trends and aren't willing to help solve the problem because they are getting theirs. As one individual recently said, "When I am sitting in my seat and enjoying MY beer, I will be thinking of you." To which my response was "While you are enjoying your beer, count the empty seats." 
 
This isn't about beer. Only simple minded people will distill what has been recognized as a national trend down to such a minor issue. The program needs to quit being so focused on laying prostrate at the feet of the 30,000 "special people" and needs to start worrying about the marginal fan that needs to be convinced to do what increasing numbers of fans at UT and across the nation are not doing and that is show up early, make noise and stay late. 
 
If last year's national champion is suffering attendance issues in spite of the fact they are located in just as big of a hotbed of college football as UT, what makes anyone truly think going 12-1 is going to save UT from the same inevitable fate?

 

[texasdobbs]

I am amazed at how any suggestion that the Texas program should be a leader on and off the field degenerates into accusations disloyalty and ill motives.

Just a couple of snippets, not about UT football, not about SEC football, but about college football in general:

Declining student attendance is an illness that has been spreading for years nationwide. But now it has hit the Southeastern Conference, home to college football's best teams and supposedly its most fervent fans, giving athletics officials reason to fret about future ticket sales and fundraising.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304795804579097223907738780

College football attendance stabilized in 2013, but the overall average across FBS schools still was the second lowest since 2003.

All home, neutral-site and bowl games averaged 45,671 fans this past season, an increase of less than 1 percent over the average of 45,440 in 2012. Still, the slight uptick stopped the bleeding for college football, which has seen its attendance steadily decline since a plateau was reached in 2007.

Nowhere is fan behavior more curious than at Florida State, a school steeped in football tradition whose team just completed a national championship run and an undefeated season.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2014/02/17/Colleges/Attendance.aspx

ESPN.com approached some of the biggest college football programs and asked them to volunteer their ticket data. How many tickets did programs sell? How many students actually showed up? And why didn't students feel like showing up?

"We have to solve this because we are talking about the season ticket-holders of tomorrow," said Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione. "But interests and attitudes are changing so rapidly it's not easy to quickly identify what we need to do."

.

Not only did Michigan have more no-shows, they also only sold 19,850 student season tickets, about a 10 percent drop from the year before.

.

Missing one out of every fifth student who bought a ticket has become pretty common these days. Michigan State has sold out its 13,500 student tickets since 2007, but the school says its no-show rate for home games this year still was about 20 percent. That's for a season in which the Spartans went 13-1, won the Big Ten title and ended the season with a victory over Stanford in the Rose Bowl.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10458047/next-generation-ticket-holder-concern-students-show-college-football-games

National Champion Florida State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Michigan State, Georgia, Arizona, Iowa, Georgia Tech, Arkansas, Texas Tech, Nebraska as well as all FBS programs as a group. All looking for reasons why the next generation of fans aren't connecting the way they used to with watching college football live at the stadium. And the fans in the best seats who are getting all the amenities they request are laughing when the fans in the "cheap" seats who are being increasingly alienated (as if any seat is "cheap" and as we have been told, one of Patterson's biggest priorities is to ensure prices are going up), are saying "Once we go 12-1, all our problems will be solved."

Yes, Steve Patterson hired Mickey Mouse to find the answer that no other athletic director has yet discovered. Problematically, those fans with the greatest voice, the 30,000 Steve Patterson pays attention to, aren't concerned in the least at demographic trends and aren't willing to help solve the problem because they are getting theirs. As one individual recently said, "When I am sitting in my seat and enjoying MY beer, I will be thinking of you." To which my response was "While you are enjoying your beer, count the empty seats."

This isn't about beer. Only simple minded people will distill what has been recognized as a national trend down to such a minor issue. The program needs to quit being so focused on laying prostrate at the feet of the 30,000 "special people" and needs to start worrying about the marginal fan that needs to be convinced to do what increasing numbers of fans at UT and across the nation are not doing and that is show up early, make noise and stay late.

If last year's national champion is suffering attendance issues in spite of the fact they are located in just as big of a hotbed of college football as UT, what makes anyone truly think going 12-1 is going to save UT from the same inevitable fate?

Lol... if you will look at the top of the page it clearly says ... "No beer at DKR in 2014"????? The subject was about beer and then you came and brought your agenda of Patterson and anti donor's and telling us what you fell should be done to increase attendance at DKR. First you attack all donors saying that they don't deserve nothing for there gift to the University. ... I disagree... but let's say you are right then why should the university cater to some who choose not to donate and show up late and leave early. Now can the whole fan experience improve.. sure but when you start attacking people like me that give my hard earn money to the University then you lose all credibility for me. You may call that entitlement. .. but I say that what your describing is entitlement. .. nothing is free... someone paid for it!

so you can take you numbers and your dwindling crowd numbers and I will raise you a fan who is not rich but loves the university and is willing to donate to help the university achieve greatness and yes if the university want to give me extra benefits then I will take them, but if the university decided tomorrow not to... I would be ok with that as well... you know why because I'm fan of Texas....

PS.... if i have to convince someone to go to the game... then they do not need to be at the game...

 

[streettopeschel]

I am amazed at how any suggestion that the Texas program should be a leader on and off the field degenerates into accusations disloyalty and ill motives. 

Just a couple of snippets, not about UT football, not about SEC football, but about college football in general:

Declining student attendance is an illness that has been spreading for years nationwide. But now it has hit the Southeastern Conference, home to college football's best teams and supposedly its most fervent fans, giving athletics officials reason to fret about future ticket sales and fundraising.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304795804579097223907738780

College football attendance stabilized in 2013, but the overall average across FBS schools still was the second lowest since 2003.

All home, neutral-site and bowl games averaged 45,671 fans this past season, an increase of less than 1 percent over the average of 45,440 in 2012. Still, the slight uptick stopped the bleeding for college football, which has seen its attendance steadily decline since a plateau was reached in 2007.

Nowhere is fan behavior more curious than at Florida State, a school steeped in football tradition whose team just completed a national championship run and an undefeated season.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2014/02/17/Colleges/Attendance.aspx
 
ESPN.com approached some of the biggest college football programs and asked them to volunteer their ticket data. How many tickets did programs sell? How many students actually showed up? And why didn't students feel like showing up?

"We have to solve this because we are talking about the season ticket-holders of tomorrow," said Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione. "But interests and attitudes are changing so rapidly it's not easy to quickly identify what we need to do."

.

Not only did Michigan have more no-shows, they also only sold 19,850 student season tickets, about a 10 percent drop from the year before. 

.

Missing one out of every fifth student who bought a ticket has become pretty common these days. Michigan State has sold out its 13,500 student tickets since 2007, but the school says its no-show rate for home games this year still was about 20 percent. That's for a season in which the Spartans went 13-1, won the Big Ten title and ended the season with a victory over Stanford in the Rose Bowl.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10458047/next-generation-ticket-holder-concern-students-show-college-football-games
 
National Champion Florida State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Michigan State, Georgia, Arizona, Iowa, Georgia Tech, Arkansas, Texas Tech, Nebraska as well as all FBS programs as a group. All looking for reasons why the next generation of fans aren't connecting the way they used to with watching college football live at the stadium. And the fans in the best seats who are getting all the amenities they request are laughing when the fans in the "cheap" seats who are being increasingly alienated (as if any seat is "cheap" and as we have been told, one of Patterson's biggest priorities is to ensure prices are going up), are saying "Once we go 12-1, all our problems will be solved." 
 
Yes, Steve Patterson hired Mickey Mouse to find the answer that no other athletic director has yet discovered. Problematically, those fans with the greatest voice, the 30,000 Steve Patterson pays attention to, aren't concerned in the least at demographic trends and aren't willing to help solve the problem because they are getting theirs. As one individual recently said, "When I am sitting in my seat and enjoying MY beer, I will be thinking of you." To which my response was "While you are enjoying your beer, count the empty seats." 
 
This isn't about beer. Only simple minded people will distill what has been recognized as a national trend down to such a minor issue. The program needs to quit being so focused on laying prostrate at the feet of the 30,000 "special people" and needs to start worrying about the marginal fan that needs to be convinced to do what increasing numbers of fans at UT and across the nation are not doing and that is show up early, make noise and stay late.
 
If last year's national champion is suffering attendance issues in spite of the fact they are located in just as big of a hotbed of college football as UT, what makes anyone truly think going 12-1 is going to save UT from the same inevitable fate?

increasing numbers of fans at UT? we've NEVER done those things. it's nothing new.

inevitable fate ? says who? we've had 4 years of mediocrity and i think our worst crowd is 95K over that time. 

this sounds like a crisis that hasn't hit UT yet despite 'laying prostate at the feet of 30000 special people'.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Lol... if you will look at the top of the page it clearly says ... "No beer at DKR in 2014"????? The subject was about beer and then you came and brought your agenda of Patterson and anti donor's and telling us what you fell should be done to increase attendance at DKR. First you attack all donors saying that they don't deserve nothing for there gift to the University. ... I disagree... but let's say you are right then why should the university cater to some who choose not to donate and show up late and leave early.

Now can the whole fan experience improve.. sure but when you start attacking people like me that give my hard earn money to the University then you lose all credibility for me. You may call that entitlement. .. but I say that what your describing is entitlement. .. nothing is free... someone paid for it!

so you can take you numbers and your dwindling crowd numbers and I will raise you a fan who is not rich but loves the university and is willing to donate to help the university achieve greatness and yes if the university want to give me extra benefits then I will take them, but if the university decided tomorrow not to... I would be ok with that as well... you know why because I'm fan of Texas....

OK, you guys win. By only caring about amenities to the 30,000 wealthiest fans, Texas will be the only NCAA program to avoid attendance issues. Mickey Mouse is going to give Texas all the answers. Lol.

 

[texasdobbs]

OK, you guys win. By only caring about amenities to the 30,000 wealthiest fans, Texas will be the only NCAA program to avoid attendance issues. Mickey Mouse is going to give Texas all the answers. Lol.

Winning is the answer... and your premise of wealthiest fans is off base... you don't have to be wealthy to donate

 

[Randolph Duke]

Winning is the answer... and your premise of wealthiest fans is off base... you don't have to be wealthy to donate

If winnng is the answer, why didn't an undefeated season and a national championship season provide the answer for Fla St? Or a one loss season for Mich St? Or a two loss season for OU? It isn't about beer or about donations. It is about that amenities the wealthy fans have been given for some time are amenities a lot of other fans also should be entitled to. Why do supposedly educated people feel the need to simplify things to a single issue?
The rank and file fans in the cheap seats that the players, the media and many fans have derided for showing up late, leaving early and being quiet have been given nothing over what they were given last year. They were lead to hope for a small amenity wealthy fans have been deemed worthy of for some time, but that was denied the fans in the cheap seats.

But, like I said, I get it. The fans in the cheap seats will show up. They have been increasingly not been showing up for many other programs, but Texas isn't like Florida St or Alabama. Lol.

No program that ignores the marginal fan while attendance is declining will prosper. Asking the fan who is one of the chosen circle how to bring back a disaffected fan will never generate a response other than "Let them eat cake."

The 30,000 who are being catered to are not the ones who should be expected to provide the answer to attendance issues. They don't get it.

 

[streettopeschel]

Duke, for what's it worth, i'm not a member of the elitist 30K you so detest. i sit with the other 70,000 great unwashed. you've opened my eyes to the horrible conditions i've unjustly endured and i'm grateful. i'm going to work immediately on getting my victimization on.

 

[Bear19]

Lol... maybe it's time to weed out the flakes anyway.... you know the ones that like beer more than Texas Football. ..

Duke I'm just jacking with you man.... crap if you want a beer that bad... maybe I can let you come to my seats for a quarter or two and have a beer on me?

If Duke is not taking you up on your offer I will Dobbs.

 

[texasdobbs]

If winnng is the answer, why didn't an undefeated season and a national championship season provide the answer for Fla St? Or a one loss season for Mich St? Or a two loss season for OU? It isn't about beer or about donations. It is about that amenities the wealthy fans have been given for some time are amenities a lot of other fans also should be entitled to. Why do supposedly educated people feel the need to simplify things to a single issue?

The rank and file fans in the cheap seats that the players, the media and many fans have derided for showing up late, leaving early and being quiet have been given nothing over what they were given last year. They were lead to hope for a small amenity wealthy fans have been deemed worthy of for some time, but that was denied the fans in the cheap seats.

But, like I said, I get it. The fans in the cheap seats will show up. They have been increasingly not been showing up for many other programs, but Texas isn't like Florida St or Alabama. Lol.

No program that ignores the marginal fan while attendance is declining will prosper. Asking the fan who is one of the chosen circle how to bring back a disaffected fan will never generate a response other than "Let them eat cake."

The 30,000 who are being catered to are not the ones who should be expected to provide the answer to attendance issues. They don't get it.

No I do get it... you pay the price of a Texas football game and that's what me and you get a football game... now you donate you get a football game and some benefits.

Now should beer be served to everyone? Sure but that is not my decision to make... but just because I donate and get access to a club doesn't make it wrong or me a bad person... I just a regular guy trying to make it in this world with burnt orange blood in my heart..

Just for clarification what exactly do you want besides beer? Short answer please and try not to pontificate to much please... please remember nothing is free in your answers. ..

 

[Randolph Duke]

Duke, for what's it worth, i'm not a member of the elitist 30K you so detest. i sit with the other 70,000 great unwashed. you've opened my eyes to the horrible conditions i've unjustly endured and i'm grateful. i'm going to work immediately on getting my victimization on.

Again, why do supposedly educated individuals need to simplify? No one said "hortible conditions." No one said "victimized." Why has been college football and in general been having attendance issues since 2003? Why have many major problems been having problems conneting with fans in spite of an undefeated/ national championship season, a one loss BCS victory season or a two loss season ending with a victory over the two time defending national champion?

Trivialize the issue all you want. I'm tired of trying to discuss a problem most ADs at major programs realized years ago but evidently Texas fans believe don't apply to our program.

 

[streettopeschel]

Again, why do supposedly educated individuals need to simplify? No one said "hortible conditions." No one said "victimized." Why has been college football and in general been having attendance issues since 2003? Why have many major problems been having problems conneting with fans in spite of an undefeated/ national championship season, a one loss BCS victory season or a two loss season ending with a victory over the two time defending national champion?

Trivialize the issue all you want. I'm tired of trying to discuss a problem most ADs at major programs realized years ago but evidently Texas fans believe don't apply to our program.

based on attendance numbers they DONT apply to our program. i have no idea what fsu's problems are. don't really care. michigan state fans would rather go to midnight madness basketball practice than a football game. every school and market is different.

 and as they article you linked mentioned in passing, attendance was actually UP slightly last year. 

i prefer my problems to be real, not hypothetical. 

i'm not sure where your going with this thread. it was originally patterson can't affect change because beer sales failed. now he's shitting on the common man and it's symptomatic of a greater problem throughout the land. where you going from here ?

 

[BudreauReye]

Goodness gracious!  I refuse to read all of this.  I thought this thread was about beer at DKR!  The angst, it is heavy with Longhorns these days!  May we all wake up soon to better days with Burnt Orange sunsets!