Strong supporters

[drgilbert]

Sorry bout DP

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I know folks want someone to yell at. They'd love to yell at Charlie, ridicule him, etc., so they find that those who aren't as pissed off, pretend they're Charlie's support staff, and vent away.

I understand, I was rather bothered a little too much earlier.

DKR didn't just drop out of the sky and start winning. Neither did Mack. Mack, IMO, committed worse offenses. He pooped all over the Cotton Bowl multiple times.

As Chris said above, you can't fire Charlie. That would make things much worse now and in the long term. Charlie is a great coach. Let's give him a chance to be great. What else are you going to do? Good thing we didn't get so worked up that we fired DKR in year 2.

I agree with the thoughts shared here that say Charlie didn't have this team well prepared for TCU. But we've seen worse. We've seen cowering in the Cotton Bowl. We've been accused of being afraid, timid, soft, yada yada yada. That doesn't happen anymore. We're tough. We're fighting. But we're young.

Kris Boyd – that's who he is. Unfortunately, you saw the ugly part of Boyd today. I don't like it. I'd bench him. But a kid who literally had his way with his opposition for the past 4 years and was accustomed to winning, winning, and winning – he's having a hard time digesting this losing thing. Especially losing bad. IMO, you want a kid who can't stomach losing. But no, you don't circumvent and betray the coach, the team, the program in the locker room at half time. We'll see how Charlie handles this and how the kid responds.

 

[Chris Flanagan]

Where is the improvement since last week. When have we seen Charlie Strong put three games together showing improvement from week to week to week? The Kris Boyd shows a lack of focus and a lack of discipline. The team is a disaster in every aspect of the game.

Continuing to go in the wrong direction will not get the program headed in the right direction. If you watch any of Charlie Strong's press conferences, he is unquestionably a man with no answers.

The path forward is uncertain. What is for certain is that Charlie Strong isn't leading the program forward.

There is no certainty in that through 18 games. 

And how "Sure thing" is the next guy? I see enough from the recruits that are his that he needs time. Right now, it sucks and everyone is pissed. It's not fun to cover a bad team. I get the frustration. But if you are looking for consistent improvement week to week, you aren't going to get that with a bunch of 17-18 year olds. 

 

[DMAC]

I know folks want someone to yell at. They'd love to yell at Charlie, ridicule him, etc., so they find that those who aren't as pissed off, pretend they're Charlie's support staff, and vent away.

I understand, I was rather bothered a little too much earlier.

DKR didn't just drop out of the sky and start winning. Neither did Mack. Mack, IMO, committed worse offenses. He pooped all over the Cotton Bowl multiple times.

As Chris said above, you can't fire Charlie. That would make things much worse now and in the long term. Charlie is a great coach. Let's give him a chance to be great. What else are you going to do? Good thing we didn't get so worked up that we fired DKR in year 2.

I agree with the thoughts shared here that say Charlie didn't have this team well prepared for TCU. But we've seen worse. We've seen cowering in the Cotton Bowl. We've been accused of being afraid, timid, soft, yada yada yada. That doesn't happen anymore. We're tough. We're fighting. But we're young.

Kris Boyd – that's who he is. Unfortunately, you saw the ugly part of Boyd today. I don't like it. I'd bench him. But a kid who literally had his way with his opposition for the past 4 years and was accustomed to winning, winning, and winning – he's having a hard time digesting this losing thing. Especially losing bad. IMO, you want a kid who can't stomach losing. But no, you don't circumvent and betray the coach, the team, the program in the locker room at half time. We'll see how Charlie handles this and how the kid responds.

SHA,

I agree with most of what you said but the unpreparedness of this team is glaring.  Even VY mentioned why are there no slants to counter the blitz and why the receivers are all running GO routes.  Maybe that's a young Heard not calling an audible or maybe its the coaches not doing their job.  You can only blame so many players for lack of pride or mental mistakes before its the entire team of kids making the same mistakes over and over then it becomes a coaching problem.

I agree Strong is a great person.  I love the guy and it breaks my heart to watch him sweat out post game conferences BUT whatever he is doing isnt working and more of the same will probably result in the same.

We have been blown out not due to lack of talent but poor execution and the same damn old mistakes over and over.   We keep pressing this Texas team doesn't have enough talent but I am not so sure.  K-State wins with what 30 walkons?  Now that is good coaching.  I know coach strong was a great DC but that doesn't always transfer over to Head Coach.  His only success as HC was Louisville and now I wonder how much of that was Teddy making him look good just as VY made Greg Davis and Mack Brown look good.  Michigan is winning under first year coach Harbaugh.  Other teams have done the same what makes us so special that we must have 4 years?  Did Snyder need 4 years when he came out of retirement, nope.  When has K-State ever had a good recruiting class?  Never.

I like Strong and feel for him but he picked his staff and they are not getting it done.  Its actually regressing.  This team was better vs UCLA last year than it is now.  IMO Strongs biggest flaw is his decision making in the staff.  Wickline with Watson was just a bonehead combo.  Go get some established Coordinators FFS.

 

[Rotty22]

i have always been on the strong train since he was hired.  you have to give him time and let him get his guys into the senior positions.  he now has 1 full recruiting cycle under his belt.  that first year he was lucky to get the players that he did with only, what, 4 weeks left in the recruiting season?  he doesn't even have HIS QB in place.  he's still working with what mack left.  the QB position is the most important position out there and he doesn't even have his guy there yet.  his guys are young and struggling right now but they are learning and gaining experience.

boyd - what he did says a lot about his character and maturity.  not only has he let his teammates down but his parents should really be embarrassed too.  what kind of character and integrity was instilled in him?  same could be said about cherry.

charlie gets at least 4 years to get his guys into a senior leadership position, imho.

 

[Rotty22]

another thought.  the "senior leadership" in place now is all macks.  and we've already established that the talent level is non-existent.  what senior leadership is there?  duke?  jenkins?

 

[Randolph Duke]

The game was over today with 5 mins left in the 1st quarter. Right now, the upside for the team is hopefully reaching three games. No one can explain why either should be acceptable for a team with a head coach making over $5 mil/year.

The "write off this season and try again next year" approach and the third losing season in six years is beyond belief. We have become aggy.

 

[tejasrulz]

Man, how did some of yall survive the mid 80's to the late 90's?

 

[UTfish]

SHA,

I agree with most of what you said but the unpreparedness of this team is glaring. Even VY mentioned why are there no slants to counter the blitz and why the receivers are all running GO routes. Maybe that's a young Heard not calling an audible or maybe its the coaches not doing their job. You can only blame so many players for lack of pride or mental mistakes before its the entire team of kids making the same mistakes over and over then it becomes a coaching problem.

I agree Strong is a great person. I love the guy and it breaks my heart to watch him sweat out post game conferences BUT whatever he is doing isnt working and more of the same will probably result in the same.

We have been blown out not due to lack of talent but poor execution and the same damn old mistakes over and over. We keep pressing this Texas team doesn't have enough talent but I am not so sure. K-State wins with what 30 walkons? Now that is good coaching. I know coach strong was a great DC but that doesn't always transfer over to Head Coach. His only success as HC was Louisville and now I wonder how much of that was Teddy making him look good just as VY made Greg Davis and Mack Brown look good. Michigan is winning under first year coach Harbaugh. Other teams have done the same what makes us so special that we must have 4 years? Did Snyder need 4 years when he came out of retirement, nope. When has K-State ever had a good recruiting class? Never.

I like Strong and feel for him but he picked his staff and they are not getting it done. Its actually regressing. This team was better vs UCLA last year than it is now. IMO Strongs biggest flaw is his decision making in the staff. Wickline with Watson was just a bonehead combo. Go get some established Coordinators FFS.

I hear you, DMAC, and the rest of you who are pointing out our obvious flaws.

But you don't throw the captain overboard in the middle of the ocean when the ship is sinking unless you are sure you have a better plan. Fire Charlie? Fire his staff?

And who would you replace them with at this point?

How long would you give them?

Give me a good answer to those two questions and I might support you.

For now though, let's just hang in there and have (a lot of?) patience.

 

[GBT]

The AD and boosters tell Strong to clean house and hire some quality coaches or pack your bags......If they don't we are DOOMED !!!!! This staff is clueless !!!!

56-37 ....That was TCU vs SMU....SMU .....I said SMU !!!!!!! Don't they have a new coach in his first year ??????? 

70-7 ...SFA.....SFA scored as much as we did !!!!!!!! And don't let the 50 fool you...TCU could have scored more.....

Dammit people....This staff sucks *** !!!!!!!! Charlie has got to clean house !!!!!!!!!!! Or get out !!!!!!!

The problem isn't just Freshmen. The Jrs and Srs are making as many or more mistakes as the Freshmen. That is coaching !!!!

 

[Randolph Duke]

Man, how did some of yall survive the mid 80's to the late 90's?

We didnt have back to back losing seasons, losing seasons in three of six years and suffer 5+ TD blowouts in half our games during the mid 80s to late 90s. The Charlie Strong era is the worst two year span in over half a century.

 

[GBT]

I hear you, DMAC, and the rest of you who are pointing out our obvious flaws.

But you don't throw the captain overboard in the middle of the ocean when the ship is sinking unless you are sure you have a better plan. Fire Charlie? Fire his staff?

And who would you replace them with at this point?

How long would you give them?

Give me a good answer to those two questions and I might support you.

For now though, let's just hang in there and have (a lot of?) patience.

You tell Charlie to fire his staff. You bring Greg Robinson back as DC.

You go get one of TCU's OC guys, or hire Briles son to run your offense.

You let those guys hire the asst they feel they need to run their O And D.

If he refuses you fire him like they fired Rick Barnes when he refused to clean house.

You go get Morris, Clemson guy, or back up the truck and ask Briles what he wants and tell him he can't bring that DC he has at Baylor.

Hope Philadelphia wants rid of Chip this year.

How long ??? You tell them they have four years to fix it as long as they don't put an embarrassment on the field like Charlie is doing.

 

[BudreauReye]

GBT ... dream on little broomstick cowboy!  You are screaming that the town is burning down after you set your hair on fire.

 

[Randolph Duke]

You tell Charlie to fire his staff. You bring Greg Robinson back as DC.

You go get one of TCU's OC guys, or hire Briles son to run your offense.

You let those guys hire the asst they feel they need to run their O And D.

If he refuses you fire him like they fired Rick Barnes when he refused to clean house.

You go get Morris, Clemson guy, or back up the truck and ask Briles what he wants and tell him he can't bring that DC he has at Baylor.

Hope Philadelphia wants rid of Chip this year.

How long ??? You tell them they have four years to fix it as long as they don't put an embarrassment on the field like Charlie is doing.

The season is over. The only question is whether the team goes 1-11, 2-10 or 3-9. Who really cares who is coaching out the season at this point.

And my earlier comment was too optimistic. The Charlie Strong era is worse than the Ed Price era. I think Price managed to go .500 his last year. Charlie Strong is praying he can go .250.

 

[BudreauReye]

Randolf! you have breathed in too many fumes from GBT's burning hair!

 

[BudreauReye]

Guys! ... people who post on sports boards do not get to make the decisions regarding who gets to coach!

 

[TeamMayhall]

Randolf! you have breathed in too many fumes from GBT's burning hair!

BudreauReye! This thread is in need of some of your positive reinforcement

 

[BudreauReye]

People need to step back from the ledge and get a grip on themselves!

 

[UTfish]

You tell Charlie to fire his staff. You bring Greg Robinson back as DC.

You go get one of TCU's OC guys, or hire Briles son to run your offense.

You let those guys hire the asst they feel they need to run their O And D.

If he refuses you fire him like they fired Rick Barnes when he refused to clean house.

You go get Morris, Clemson guy, or back up the truck and ask Briles what he wants and tell him he can't bring that DC he has at Baylor.

Hope Philadelphia wants rid of Chip this year.

How long ??? You tell them they have four years to fix it as long as they don't put an embarrassment on the field like Charlie is doing.

Might work, GBT, but I asked for a good answer, not a dream.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Randolf! you have breathed in too many fumes from GBT's burning hair!

No one thinks Norvell will be OC next year. Charlie has already proven he doesn't have a clue how to hire offensive coaches. His specialty, defense, has produced what is pretty much a lock to be the worst defense in the history of the program. We bring in a new OC and after we struggle (because Charlie has yet again brought in the wrong OC) people say it is a matter of continuity, but in 2017 we will be GREAT!
Defense is lousy, special teams suck, Coach Strong is clueless about offense and he seems to have no ideas how to right the ship.

Tell me where I am wrong.

We have become aggy.