Report: Chris Warren To Transfer From Texas

[Daniel Seahorn]

Who do you think leaves for the draft as of now?

Williams (declared) and Jefferson were my biggest locks. 

There’s increasing buzz Elliott will leave if he gets a high enough grade. I’m skeptical he gets a top 2 round grade based on one year of production, but I’ve been wrong before. 

Hill is out for the bowl game, plus two more next year. I think he likely just opts to go and get his career started. 

 

[DBut82]

Williams (declared) and Jefferson were my biggest locks. 

There’s increasing buzz Elliott will leave if he gets a high enough grade. I’m skeptical he gets a top 2 round grade based on one year of production, but I’ve been wrong before. 

Hill is out for the bowl game, plus two more next year. I think he likely just opts to go and get his career started. 

With Hill, I get being out for the bowl, but why the "two more next year"?

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Get ready there will be a lot more... We literally could have only around 55 players left on the roster before the 2018 class signs.

"The sky is falling"

Not really but a lot of people sure seem to think so. Tom is not as dumb, or incompetent, as a lot of people think he is. 

 

[TexExSpur]

Get ready there will be a lot more... We literally could have only around 55 players left on the roster before the 2018 class signs.

With a scholly limit of 85, 55  would be good.  55 plus 4-6 EE's is 59-61 add a 22-25 man class and you're at 81-85 limit.  The lessor number leaves room for a few Grad or JUCO transfers come Spring.

This is not bad attrition even if all names mentioned depart.

 

[TexExSpur]

With Hill, I get being out for the bowl, but why the "two more next year"?

Standard.  ONE more strike and kicked off squad.

 

[okiehorn]

Get ready there will be a lot more... We literally could have only around 55 players left on the roster before the 2018 class signs.

Transfers being the bulk? If so obviously coach strongs babied recruits can handle the pressure of a solid coaching staff wanting wins and physicality 

 

[Captain Hookem]

Personally, I think Warren’s best chance to cash NFL paychecks is to embrace the position change he made late at Texas.  He’s a big guy who’s a slow starter, he doesn’t run up to his size consistently who just hasn’t it put it together heading into year four. On top of that he was also injury prone so that’s another issue he will face regardless of position. 

Even if Texas let him stick at RB it was obvious he was losing carries to younger backs and with Keaontay Ingram on the way it wasn’t getting any easier. 

Best of luck to the young man. I wish it had turned out differently for him at Texas. 

I just can't agree with this. The handling of Warren has been one of the biggest mistakes this year. 

Ricky Williams has been harping on it all year long as well, "give the big man the ball"!

If there was anyone on the roster an offense could be built around this year - it was Warren. Yes he's been injury prone, runs a little too high, and needs some runway. However... he's a huge, punishing back that proved in some games that if you just put the game on his shoulders he can carry it.

The problem is this offense isn't designed for a running back like Warren, so it's not a shock that he's transferring. It's also not a shock that in this offense he wasn't able to produce. Had we run anything similar to what we ran last year, Warren gets a lot of yards.  However Herman's philosophy didn't allow him to feature Warren, or run a transitional offense. 

Also, whatever a player may or may not be successful at in the NFL is sometimes irrelevant to college. Was Vince a prototypical NFL QB?... Did that matter? That argument for Warren is meaningless. 

It's a part of the larger problem Herman took when changed the offense... again. How many right turns has the offense taken since Mack decided he wanted an SEC offense in 2010? You just can't completely change offensive styles in one offseason. Herman should've eased his way from what we had to where he wanted to go. 

Either way, Warren is a beast of a running back that's going to tear it up somewhere else. 

 

[TexExSpur]

I just can't agree with this. The handling of Warren has been one of the biggest mistakes this year. 

Ricky Williams has been harping on it all year long as well, "give the big man the ball"!

If there was anyone on the roster an offense could be built around this year - it was Warren. Yes he's been injury prone, runs a little too high, and needs some runway. However... he's a huge, punishing back that proved in some games that if you just put the game on his shoulders he can carry it.

The problem is this offense isn't designed for a running back like Warren, so it's not a shock that he's transferring. It's also not a shock that in this offense he wasn't able to produce. Had we run anything similar to what we ran last year, Warren gets a lot of yards.  However Herman's philosophy didn't allow him to feature Warren, or run a transitional offense. 

Also, whatever a player may or may not be successful at in the NFL is sometimes irrelevant to college. Was Vince a prototypical NFL QB?... Did that matter? That argument for Warren is meaningless. 

It's a part of the larger problem Herman took when changed the offense... again. How many right turns has the offense taken since Mack decided he wanted an SEC offense in 2010? You just can't completely change offensive styles in one offseason. Herman should've eased his way from what we had to where he wanted to go. 

Either way, Warren is a beast of a running back that's going to tear it up somewhere else. 

I watched him tip toe up to the line of scrimmage and get taken down by a breath or 150 corner far too many times.  He looked outstanding as an H Back coming out of the backfield and catching passes.  He needs momentum.  He was underutilized in short yardage and goal line situations.

 

[RickyFlair]

"The sky is falling"

Not really but a lot of people sure seem to think so. Tom is not as dumb, or incompetent, as a lot of people think he is. 

I want to go on record that I don't think Tom is dumb or incompetent. I believe he is a smart, capable coach who will benefit from some maturation.

I believe he embraced and to an extent propagated the "Whiz Kid", mensa identity the media bestowed on him and it became many peoples expectation. During this season that expectation was the standard by which he was judged (fair or not). When the standard is that high and it isn't met it can seem like the sky is falling.

When you are expecting Superman and Bat Man shows up you are probably going to be disappointed initially. Then you realize having Bat Man is better than having Joe the policeman from the What's going down episode of that's my momma, and you start feeling better. 

 

[Captain Hookem]

I watched him tip toe up to the line of scrimmage and get taken down by a breath or 150 corner far too many times.  He looked outstanding as an H Back coming out of the backfield and catching passes.  He needs momentum.  He was underutilized in short yardage and goal line situations.

Exactly, but that's because he was being handed the ball and asked to run laterally until he spots a hole. That's not something he does well. He's a downhill runner.

When given the ball in power running formations, especially with a lead blocker to clear out the hole or take up the LB, he was a beast once he got the second level. 

 

[DBut82]

Then you realize having Bat Man is better than having Joe the policeman from the What's going down episode of that's my momma, and you start feeling better. 

:lol: :lol: :lol:  I can't today Ricky!!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! #RandyWatson #SexualChocolate #ComingToAmerica

 

[RickyFlair]

:lol: :lol: :lol:  I can't today Ricky!!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! #RandyWatson #SexualChocolate #ComingToAmerica

Good and Terrible  

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

With Hill, I get being out for the bowl, but why the "two more next year"?

Not sure if it’s a coach’s decision or a university decision. But he’s a repeat offender so... 

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

Transfers being the bulk? If so obviously coach strongs babied recruits can handle the pressure of a solid coaching staff wanting wins and physicality 

This has nothing to do with Strong. The bigger issue is going to be with guys who are declaring. Who were all Strong recruits. 

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

I just can't agree with this. The handling of Warren has been one of the biggest mistakes this year. 

Ricky Williams has been harping on it all year long as well, "give the big man the ball"!

If there was anyone on the roster an offense could be built around this year - it was Warren. Yes he's been injury prone, runs a little too high, and needs some runway. However... he's a huge, punishing back that proved in some games that if you just put the game on his shoulders he can carry it.

The problem is this offense isn't designed for a running back like Warren, so it's not a shock that he's transferring. It's also not a shock that in this offense he wasn't able to produce. Had we run anything similar to what we ran last year, Warren gets a lot of yards.  However Herman's philosophy didn't allow him to feature Warren, or run a transitional offense. 

Also, whatever a player may or may not be successful at in the NFL is sometimes irrelevant to college. Was Vince a prototypical NFL QB?... Did that matter? That argument for Warren is meaningless. 

It's a part of the larger problem Herman took when changed the offense... again. How many right turns has the offense taken since Mack decided he wanted an SEC offense in 2010? You just can't completely change offensive styles in one offseason. Herman should've eased his way from what we had to where he wanted to go. 

Either way, Warren is a beast of a running back that's going to tear it up somewhere else. 

Yeah we will just disagree then because we are seeing two different things. I’ve said since D’Onta Foreman left last year that Warren wasn’t close to being in his league and I wasn’t sold on him being a feature back. He’s more of a jumbo athlete than a running back and no matter how you try to spin it he doesn’t consistently punish guys for being that size. 

You can’t wave away the things you mentioned and say they don’t matter because they absolutely do matter when you are a guy his size at that position. Backs his size are already rare and he’s not a Derrick Henry caliber back and I wasn’t high on Henry being able to duplicate his college success in the NFL. 

Blaming the offnese is a cop out to me. Warren’s ability to not find success has nothing to do with the scheme and Texas was never staying with the same scheme once Gilbert and Mattox left. You can’t make a coach run a system or scheme he’s never run before when he’s had plenty of success with another. 

As far as the nfl goes, you make projections based on what you see from them in college. Do some guys get to league and out perform their projections? Sure. But you have to go off what you see on film and Warren’s hasn’t been great to this point. Using VY as your example does really nothing for me because he had a small window of success before being figured out and being bounced out of the league. 

You just can’t fault a coach for wanting to implement his system when he has been successful at practically ever stop he’s been at with it. It would be different if Herman came from the same scheme tree as Gilbert and Mattox, but that’s just not the case.

We are way far apart on all of this. 

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

I watched him tip toe up to the line of scrimmage and get taken down by a breath or 150 corner far too many times.  He looked outstanding as an H Back coming out of the backfield and catching passes.  He needs momentum.  He was underutilized in short yardage and goal line situations.

Yeah I’ll concede to the notion on short yardage. Particularly the USC goal line debacle. But there was a reason the staff was frustrated with him and how he runs considering his size. 

 

[Embrey]

I want to go on record that I don't think Tom is dumb or incompetent. I believe he is a smart, capable coach who will benefit from some maturation.

I believe he embraced and to an extent propagated the "Whiz Kid", mensa identity the media bestowed on him and it became many peoples expectation. During this season that expectation was the standard by which he was judged (fair or not). When the standard is that high and it isn't met it can seem like the sky is falling.

When you are expecting Superman and Bat Man shows up you are probably going to be disappointed initially. Then you realize having Bat Man is better than having Joe the policeman from the What's going down episode of that's my momma, and you start feeling better. 

Ask yourself - self, how did the Mensa information about Genius Tom Herman get disseminated into the public domain?

Answer: Genius Tom Herman, or his agent, made damn sure that we all knew it.

Before you think this is a negative comment I will say that I don't mind self promotion.  A 42 year old landed one of the premiere coaching jobs in the country.  He sold himself because he wanted this job.  I have faith he is going to turn this battleship in the right direction.

But never forget, he wants you to know he is smarter than you.

 

[Captain Hookem]

Yeah we will just disagree then because we are seeing two different things. I’ve said since D’Onta Foreman left last year that Warren wasn’t close to being in his league and I wasn’t sold on him being a feature back. He’s more of a jumbo athlete than a running back and no matter how you try to spin it he doesn’t consistently punish guys for being that size. 

You can’t wave away the things you mentioned and say they don’t matter because they absolutely do matter when you are a guy his size at that position. Backs his size are already rare and he’s not a Derrick Henry caliber back and I wasn’t high on Henry being able to duplicate his college success in the NFL. 

Blaming the offnese is a cop out to me. Warren’s ability to not find success has nothing to do with the scheme and Texas was never staying with the same scheme once Gilbert and Mattox left. You can’t make a coach run a system or scheme he’s never run before when he’s had plenty of success with another. 

As far as the nfl goes, you make projections based on what you see from them in college. Do some guys get to league and out perform their projections? Sure. But you have to go off what you see on film and Warren’s hasn’t been great to this point. Using VY as your example does really nothing for me because he had a small window of success before being figured out and being bounced out of the league. 

You just can’t fault a coach for wanting to implement his system when he has been successful at practically ever stop he’s been at with it. It would be different if Herman came from the same scheme tree as Gilbert and Mattox, but that’s just not the case.

We are way far apart on all of this. 

While we won't agree, the truth will out wherever he ends up. If he flames out elsewhere as a RB then it will be obvious he outgrew the position. If he tears it up somewhere else it will be obvious that he was not used correctly here. 

VY had success in the league right up until the point he sustained his first injury. Up until that point his freakish speed was too much for even NFL to handle. Once he lost a step and could not adjust to being more of a pocket QB, he no longer had the speed advantage. Plus Fisher hated him and benched him as soon as he could. Nonetheless there are tons of examples of college good that did not translate to NFL good. 

And I don't fault Herman for wanting to implement his system, but if he gets here and realizes that he doesn't have the guys to run it (which he basically admitted in the last press conference), then he does deserve some blame for not properly adjusting.  He made the same mistake Strong made, and the same mistake Mack made, in installing a system he didn't have the personnel for.

Plus, he's the head coach that doesn't want to call plays. So no one would fault him for going out and hiring an ace OC to handle that side of the ball.  Ultimately he is the head coach and responsible for production on both sides of the ball. The offense was piss poor this year, and it's not just because they were "kids". If you don't want to fault him for wanting to implementing his system, or in not using the correct personnel to run it, then what do you fault him for? 

 

[Daniel Seahorn]

While we won't agree, the truth will out wherever he ends up. If he flames out elsewhere as a RB then it will be obvious he outgrew the position. If he tears it up somewhere else it will be obvious that he was not used correctly here. 

VY had success in the league right up until the point he sustained his first injury. Up until that point his freakish speed was too much for even NFL to handle. Once he lost a step and could not adjust to being more of a pocket QB, he no longer had the speed advantage. Plus Fisher hated him and benched him as soon as he could. Nonetheless there are tons of examples of college good that did not translate to NFL good. 

And I don't fault Herman for wanting to implement his system, but if he gets here and realizes that he doesn't have the guys to run it (which he basically admitted in the last press conference), then he does deserve some blame for not properly adjusting.  He made the same mistake Strong made, and the same mistake Mack made, in installing a system he didn't have the personnel for.

Plus, he's the head coach that doesn't want to call plays. So no one would fault him for going out and hiring an ace OC to handle that side of the ball.  Ultimately he is the head coach and responsible for production on both sides of the ball. The offense was piss poor this year, and it's not just because they were "kids". If you don't want to fault him for wanting to implementing his system, or in not using the correct personnel to run it, then what do you fault him for? 

Time will tell on Warren, but I’m just not a believer. His best performances came against very poor defenses. 

It’s been one year into Herman trying to implement what he wants to do offensively, and he experienced a ridiculous amount injuries combined with having to run a true freshmen out there. It’s hard to properly judge the product fairly when you apply all of the circumstances and based on individual performances I don’t think any system would have hid the issues Texas faced personnel wise. 

Ultimately the fault falls at his feet, but I’m going to give the man a chance to do things his way because that’s what he is getting paid to do. You aren’t going to get many (if any) coaches to handcuff themselves to a scheme they aren’t accustomed to running when getting them to take a new job. Just won’t happen. 

While you may be critical about the personnel usage (Warren in this case) plenty of others including myself are not. The freshmen backs were the best runners on the team and it showed in the latter part of the season as they got more touches. 

 

[RickyFlair]

Time will tell on Warren, but I’m just not a believer. His best performances came against very poor defenses. 

It’s been one year into Herman trying to implement what he wants to do offensively, and he experienced a ridiculous amount injuries combined with having to run a true freshmen out there. It’s hard to properly judge the product fairly when you apply all of the circumstances and based on individual performances I don’t think any system would have hid the issues Texas faced personnel wise. 

Ultimately the fault falls at his feet, but I’m going to give the man a chance to do things his way because that’s what he is getting paid to do. You aren’t going to get many (if any) coaches to handcuff themselves to a scheme they aren’t accustomed to running when getting them to take a new job. Just won’t happen. 

While you may be critical about the personnel usage (Warren in this case) plenty of others including myself are not. The freshmen backs were the best runners on the team and it showed in the latter part of the season as they got more touches. 

I agree with the sentiment but not the statement "give the man a chance to do things his way because that’s what he is getting paid to do."  He is getting paid to win football games and he handcuffed himself with an offensive scheme HIS team couldn't run. I don't care if its year one or year ten, as a coach you better be prepared to adapt what your doing to find success.