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Baylor running thread.

bcherry168 said:
I have spent many years in the justice system, so let me tell you that the big problem is not the lack of convictions, but the lack of support for the young women who may have been assaulted on the part of school officials. Young women who have been assaulted are emotionally weakened and embarrassed. If they complain to someone and it is blown off, they frequently won't pursue it further.

The shame of Baylor appears to be that they did not create an environment where a fair hearing of the allegations could be had. It was strictly cover up all the way.

If that is the case, the whole bunch of involved individuals should be fired. That includes Starr, Briles, and everyone else involved.
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Looks like the Texas AG office will be getting involved soon.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaff-dr-saturday/texas-ag-says-baylor-must-release-parts-of-sexual-assault-records-024517428.html

 
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J.B. TexasEx said:
If accurate, how do these numbers stack up against the sexual assaults at Tennessee?

Once again, you've missed the point. But then, I should expect that from you by now. Sanctimonious til the end.

Oh, look...KU has its own problems too. When is OTL headed to Kansas?

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2016/apr/03/more-dangerous-or-more-aware-ku-saw-more-sex-offen/?print
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all I did was quote you. Convictions and due process were your hot buttons, not mine.
Hopefully someone IS digging in Tenn and any others. They could run a story tomorrow for all we know. What I DO know is there's something rotten in Waco and I'm glad it's getting exposed.

 
streettopeschel said:
all I did was quote you. Convictions and due process were your hot buttons, not mine.

Hopefully someone IS digging in Tenn and any others. They could run a story tomorrow for all we know. What I DO know is there's something rotten in Waco and I'm glad it's getting exposed.
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Well then, dadgum it, let's hitch up the wagons and head on down to Waco with our pitchforks in hand! Yeehaw...mob rules!

We'll see what facts the AG actually digs up. 

 
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J.B. TexasEx said:
Well then, dadgum it, let's hitch up the wagons and head on down to Waco with our pitchforks in hand! Yeehaw...mob rules!

We'll see what facts the AG actually digs up.
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as far as arrests, indictments and convictions, yes there is a process.
As far as having an opinion and expressing it on a board, I'm good, thanks.

my quoting you was intended as flippant but since it's hit a nerve I won't quote you anymore.

 
streettopeschel said:
as far as arrests, indictments and convictions, yes there is a process.

As far as having an opinion and expressing it on a board, I'm good, thanks.

my quoting you was intended as flippant but since it's hit a nerve I won't quote you anymore.
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Never said you weren't entitled to an opinion.

You struck a nerve because you were very selective in what quote you chose to reference and in what context. Once again, go back and read my posts. I never said BU doesn't have a big problem, I just questioned ESPN's coverage of it versus other sexual assault controversies.

But, maybe I shouldn't have shared that cynical opinion on this thread. We're clearly out to get BU, Briles, McCaw, and Starr here. Dissenting opinions will not be entertained.

Carry on. I won't interrupt this dialogue again. 

 
J.B. TexasEx said:
Never said you weren't entitled to an opinion.

You struck a nerve because you were very selective in what quote you chose to reference and in what context. Once again, go back and read my posts. I never said BU doesn't have a big problem, I just questioned ESPN's coverage of it versus other sexual assault controversies.

But, maybe I shouldn't have shared that cynical opinion on this thread. We're clearly out to get BU, Briles, McCaw, and Starr here. Dissenting opinions will not be entertained.

Carry on. I won't interrupt this dialogue again.
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yes you did reference the other schools but then veered into 'where's the convictions...you don't respect due process'. Two entirely different discussions.
I countered that nobody had been convicted at PSU either when everybody was forced out. This feels very similar to me.

 
streettopeschel said:
yes you did reference the other schools but then veered into 'where's the convictions...you don't respect due process'. Two entirely different discussions.

I countered that nobody had been convicted at PSU either when everybody was forced out. This feels very similar to me.
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I disagree - the cases are apples & oranges

Not to get into a "is pedophilia worse than rape?" argument, but Sandusky took advantage of young boys who oftentimes came from foster homes and were neglected. They were downright scared to challenge an adult male and were physically taken against their will in bathrooms, locker rooms, etc. The problem is the crimes were never reported at all until years later.

That's a little different than the "he said/she said" nature of these sexual assault cases at BU between adults. No, I'm not condoning rape with that statement and I don't know the psychological make-up of the alleged BU victims. It's just that rape in the context of the BU allegations is much more difficult to prove.

I think we can say almost unanimously that forced homosexual relations on a young boy isn't consensual. But, everybody has an opinion...

 
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That doesn't address the post you quoted. Again, nobody had been convicted when JoePa was fired.

As for similarities, higher ups and the HC at PSU knew of problems and ignored or looked the other way to protect its football program. Yes, it definitely feels like that to me in Waco. If it doesn't to you, so be it.

 
streettopeschel said:
That doesn't address the post you quoted. Again, nobody had been convicted when JoePa was fired.

As for similarities, higher ups and the HC at PSU knew of problems and ignored or looked the other way to protect its football program. Yes, it definitely feels like that to me in Waco. If it doesn't to you, so be it.
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JoePa should've been fired for senility and incompetence years earlier, but I digress...

Yes, the " institutional cover-up" aspect of the two cases makes them similar. But, I wasn't ready to indict Paterno back in the day either without due process. I didn't agree with the NCAA taking away his wins because of his supposed knowledge of Sandusky's transgressions and still don't. I suspect he had a mental block and just refused to believe what was said about a colleague and a friend. Yes, that does make him culpable. 

Paterno took the truth with him to his grave. Maybe he's answering for his sins now.

 
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I just spoke with my friend who today spoke with his connection. This comes from not so deep in Baylor territory so take it for what its worth.

Briles is safe for now. Since this began, all of Baylor's responses and actions have had at least some element of "keep Briles" in it. So it will take something monumental for him to lose his job over this.

I asked about Doc's info regarding the staff being called in. He said that if true it could be that Baylor is facing a lot of questions on the recruiting trail and everyone has to get back on the same page.

Again, connection isn't real close on this one so take that grain of salt.

 
i wonder if it can be shown that baylor was actively using the promise of protection from detection and prosecution to attract unsavory types.

i've wondered that about meyer at florida, too.  come play for me and you can do anything you want to do to anybody you want to do it to.  we've got the cops and everybody else on board here.

 
I just spoke with my friend who today spoke with his connection. This comes from not so deep in Baylor territory so take it for what its worth.

Briles is safe for now.
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Nothing personal but Stevie Wonder can see that Briles wont get fired.

SHA, I'm sure you've seen Chip Brown's report that Ken Starr will take the fall. BU can always find a Pres, but winning coaches are rare in Waco.
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Bingo! We have a winner!

 
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