Longhorn News/Discussion (Non-Recruiting)

[dillohorn]

3 hours ago, TFloss32 said:

Part of our invisible OL.

 

[hornag]

Apparently, he wasn't told to move on by Sark when they had their one-on-one meeting. Like some others have been. So there's that. 

I have a strong suspicion that Sark addressed Mr. Coburn’s weight and any other potential issues as a requirement to his being a Texas Longhorn in 2022. 

 

[TexCoyote]

Check this out.  Man I needed a good laugh on Monday.  That’s going to be a hard NO.  

 

[longhorn_mig]

8 minutes ago, TexCoyote said:

 

[Eastexhorn]

2 DL need to lose 25-30 lbs and defense will be improved.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Part of our invisible OL.

As bad as our OL was, he couldn't sniff playing time.

 

[TexCoyote]

One thing I see being a problem is position groups arguing about not getting as much money as other position groups.  I am seeing some post already about that.  They seem to be joking about it, but I can assure you that it won’t keep being a joke. 

 

[UTfish]

One thing I see being a problem is position groups arguing about not getting as much money as other position groups.  I am seeing some post already about that.  They seem to be joking about it, but I can assure you that it won’t keep being a joke. 

The NIL rule is going to be a Pandora's box of problems. 

 

[dssl]

One thing I see being a problem is position groups arguing about not getting as much money as other position groups.  I am seeing some post already about that.  They seem to be joking about it, but I can assure you that it won’t keep being a joke. 

It's a new world with new problems. I would think most players would understand that some positions are more coveted then others. 

I guess each player needs to decide what school suits them best based on coaching, environment   education and now add in compensation. 

100k a year plus tuition housing and food and various other expenses is way more money then the vast majority of the players have ever received.  I worry more about how this new found spending power will be a distraction then I worry about them being pissed that some other player(s) is making more.

 

[TexCoyote]

It's a new world with new problems. I would think most players would understand that some positions are more coveted then others. 

I guess each player needs to decide what school suits them best based on coaching, environment   education and now add in compensation. 

100k a year plus tuition housing and food and various other expenses is way more money then the vast majority of the players have ever received.  I worry more about how this new found spending power will be a distraction then I worry about them being pissed that some other player(s) is making more.

I disagree.  EVERY position thinks they’re the most coveted.  People look at what other people are making…….it’s human nature.  What if the guy getting paid the most throws 4 interceptions and 2 fumbles and the guy getting paid the least plays spectacular?  It’s going to be a tight rope to keep the locker room family and no hard feelings.  
I agree that this brings a lot more distractions.  These kids put a lot of hours into football and school work.  The distraction is always worrying about what my line of ___________ (fill in the blank is doing).  
It’s new so we’ll see how it goes.  The NCAA needs to be abolished.  There is no “cheating” anymore.  The biggest money is going to have a huge leg up (if they play it right) and the smaller outfits are going to get left behind.  

 

[dssl]

I disagree.  EVERY position thinks they’re the most coveted.  People look at what other people are making…….it’s human nature.  What if the guy getting paid the most throws 4 interceptions and 2 fumbles and the guy getting paid the least plays spectacular?  It’s going to be a tight rope to keep the locker room family and no hard feelings.  
I agree that this brings a lot more distractions.  These kids put a lot of hours into football and school work.  The distraction is always worrying about what my line of ___________ (fill in the blank is doing).  
It’s new so we’ll see how it goes.  The NCAA needs to be abolished.  There is no “cheating” anymore.  The biggest money is going to have a huge leg up (if they play it right) and the smaller outfits are going to get left behind.  

In most work environment different people make different amounts of money. It creates a certain amount of frustration to some  but mostly people accept it. Personally I like the idea of paying based on experience and performance. If someone makes less they hopefully work hard and learn how they can be more useful to the organization and move up. Some people will just be frustrated they are making less, but if they can't or won't step up that's on them not on the employer.

From the way it sounds most players will make 100k, and if they make enough of a name for themselves they can get a personal NIL deal.

I would be in favor of game bonuses.  The better a player grades out based on film evaluation the bigger the game bonus.  I'm not sure if this would be allowed but it would avoid part of the issue you point out that pay is not correlated to game performance. 

 

[Wayne]

I disagree.  EVERY position thinks they’re the most coveted.  People look at what other people are making…….it’s human nature.  What if the guy getting paid the most throws 4 interceptions and 2 fumbles and the guy getting paid the least plays spectacular?  It’s going to be a tight rope to keep the locker room family and no hard feelings.  
I agree that this brings a lot more distractions.  These kids put a lot of hours into football and school work.  The distraction is always worrying about what my line of ___________ (fill in the blank is doing).  
It’s new so we’ll see how it goes.  The NCAA needs to be abolished.  There is no “cheating” anymore.  The biggest money is going to have a huge leg up (if they play it right) and the smaller outfits are going to get left behind.  

Same issue exists in the NFL. Not all players are paid the same. Quarterbacks make more than any position. Left tackles make more than guards. Same in business, same in life.  

 

[UTfish]

...if they make enough of a name for themselves they can get a personal NIL deal.

Good point, Bijan is a good example, but how will that affect team play? Team players like Bijan and Roschon are rare. We will see showboating like never before. That will be a problem that every team will face, but football as a team first sport is history, IMHO.

 

[TexCoyote]

Same issue exists in the NFL. Not all players are paid the same. Quarterbacks make more than any position. Left tackles make more than guards. Same in business, same in life.  

Yes true but to me it’s different in college.  In the pros they agree to that up front……and it is locked in for several years.  It’s a business.
In college it seems to me that this is going to be a constantly moving number.    Like right now we need offensive linemen so that group gets a pump in money.  Receivers may be making way less.  I’ve been working over 35 years and I can tell you that a lot of people have one eye peeled on what work, money, bonuses, incentives the other people are getting.  EVERYONE thinks they’re the best employee.  Just like EVERY parent thinks their kid is the best player.  Like I said earlier, players are kinda joking now but I guarantee you that other positions aren’t going to sit back and watch offensive linemen make more than them.  The other was players could make money off their name or likeness so of course Bijan is going to make more than Christian Jones.  But this new deal seems like it’s just paying a group.  I could see it more on an individual like a Bijan.  Group pay is different.  As always, we’ll see. 

 

[BWilk55]

I would be in favor of game bonuses.  The better a player grades out based on film evaluation the bigger the game bonus.  I'm not sure if this would be allowed but it would avoid part of the issue you point out that pay is not correlated to game performance. 

This is totally outlawed based on the NIL rules. Now, better players will naturally get more deals, but deals can't pay for on field performance directly.

 

[BWilk55]

One thing I see being a problem is position groups arguing about not getting as much money as other position groups.  I am seeing some post already about that.  They seem to be joking about it, but I can assure you that it won’t keep being a joke. 

I think each position group will have a similar type of deal before long. Seems they wanted to announce the OL deal to help boost recruiting this week but the description of the Horns with Heart organization discusses expanding out to all position groups and other sports. I think these across the board type of deals will be pretty much equivalent for all position groups. 

 

[TexCoyote]

I think each position group will have a similar type of deal before long. Seems they wanted to announce the OL deal to help boost recruiting this week but the description of the Horns with Heart organization discusses expanding out to all position groups and other sports. I think these across the board type of deals will be pretty much equivalent for all position groups. 

That’s what I am thinking as well.  OLine is the big need and there are some 5star guys out there so this first wave is there.  It should be similar on other positions soon.  Good take ?

 

[Wayne]

In most work environment different people make different amounts of money. It creates a certain amount of frustration to some  but mostly people accept it. Personally I like the idea of paying based on experience and performance. If someone makes less they hopefully work hard and learn how they can be more useful to the organization and move up. Some people will just be frustrated they are making less, but if they can't or won't step up that's on them not on the employer.

From the way it sounds most players will make 100k, and if they make enough of a name for themselves they can get a personal NIL deal.

I would be in favor of game bonuses.  The better a player grades out based on film evaluation the bigger the game bonus.  I'm not sure if this would be allowed but it would avoid part of the issue you point out that pay is not correlated to game performance. 

You can't be paid for the game.  No game bonuses.  This is Name Image and Likeness.  You can't be paid for TDs, Sacks, Interceptions.  I'm sure that after your production increases the value of your NIL goes up.  But you can't be paid for on field performance.

 

[dssl]

This is totally outlawed based on the NIL rules. Now, better players will naturally get more deals, but deals can't pay for on field performance directly.

I wasn't sure if it was allowed,  thanks for clarifying.  In my Mind it's too bad. The NIL basically makes these athletes professionals,  but puts some artificial constraints on exactly how their compensation can be structured. 

 

[hookemhorb]

I wasn't sure if it was allowed,  thanks for clarifying.  In my Mind it's too bad. The NIL basically makes these athletes professionals,  but puts some artificial constraints on exactly how their compensation can be structured. 

If you kind of squint and turn your head a bit, NIL does not make them professionals. They aren't being paid to play. They are being paid for the Name/Image/Likeness. So now schools can make a fortune selling jerseys with their names on them or have posters with their Image/Likeness on them. Schools can now do this without any guilt of taking advantage of the student athlete. ?