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He really needs more development. Let him sit and watch and get another year under his belt.

Either way, younger players are going to pass him by simply because they're getting game experience and live practices when he's not.

 
He really needs more development. Let him sit and watch and get another year under his belt.

Either way, younger players are going to pass him by simply because they're getting game experience and live practices when he's not.
He shouldn’t be on scholarship.  He’s there for one reason, football.  If he takes that one thing out of the equation, the answer should be 0.  

 
He shouldn’t be on scholarship.  He’s there for one reason, football.  If he takes that one thing out of the equation, the answer should be 0.  
Wait I thought they were “student-athletes”?? So he’s there for one reason... football. That would mean they aren’t really student-athletes. Instead they are athletes. So I guess we should start paying these athletes. So he could then decide if he wants to get a paycheck this season taking a risk of exposure. Or he can sit and not get paid. But since that’s not the case. He should be allowed to sit and keep his scholarship since it’s not his fault a virus is running through the world. 

 
Wait I thought they were “student-athletes”?? So he’s there for one reason... football. That would mean they aren’t really student-athletes. Instead they are athletes. So I guess we should start paying these athletes. So he could then decide if he wants to get a paycheck this season taking a risk of exposure. Or he can sit and not get paid. But since that’s not the case. He should be allowed to sit and keep his scholarship since it’s not his fault a virus is running through the world. 
Would he be going to school there if he wasn’t on a football scholarship?  Yes he’s a student athlete.  The benefit of playing for the university is a free education and resources to train towards your next level in football.  If you take away your commitment to the school, why should the school be expected to uphold their commitment?  They are being paid.  Check out what it costs to enroll at UT, stay on campus, a top notch meal plan for athletes, free gear, and top notch training facilities you have free range to use.  Then get back with me on pay for play.  And education will do more for most of the roster than a dream of the NFL

since you’re looking at them as paid individuals....  my company would let me go if I opted out of working, but wanted to still receive my salary.  Works both ways.  

 
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Would he be going to school there if he wasn’t on a football scholarship?  Yes he’s a student athlete.  The benefit of playing for the university is a free education and resources to train towards your next level in football.  If you take away your commitment to the school, why should the school be expected to uphold their commitment?  They are being paid.  Check out what it costs to enroll at UT, stay on campus, a top notch meal plan for athletes, free gear, and top notch training facilities you have free range to use.  Then get back with me on pay for play.  And education will do more for most of the roster than a dream of the NFL

since you’re looking at them as paid individuals....  my company would let me go if I opted out of working, but wanted to still receive my salary.  Works both ways.  
Would he be there if he didn’t play football? Maybe, why do you think he wouldn’t? I don’t have to check out the cost of tuition and housing, I went there. I don’t have to check out the cost of to be an athlete. I’m friends with plenty of them. The will tell you should look at the cost of them being a student athlete. They wake earlier than a normal student. They are expected to practice, lift, study film, & then be a student as well. They have to travel on weekends & then make it to class like a normal student. They get free gear, that’s cool. But how about this.. get back to me about how much an individual player brings in revenue. It’s out there. Look at it. Then tell me they aren’t bring in more money then they “receive”. Ask yourself, if the university really thought it would be cheaper to pay the player and let them pay for their room and board. Don’t you think the schools would be pushing for that? They know they are getting a bargain. The free gear is nothing when you consider, the school wouldn’t get that gear or the dollars from Nike if the athletes weren’t here. So it’s not really free gear. The company wants the athletes in it. If the athlete can sign a deal with Nike, they would be getting free gear anyway. Come guy. It’s not that hard to see that this players have way more value than they are compensated for. Free tuition is great but there are plenty of students there on academic scholarship receiving that. They aren’t bring in the same revenue. 

And since I’m looking at them as paid individuals... yes your company may let go of you if you opted out of working but some companies just furlough their workers. Some offer them the opportunity to use their leave or sick time. But they still are considered employees. Tyler was given the option to sit out. He’s using his leave. If you can’t accept that, sucks to be you. But he’s not doing anything wrong. 

 
Wait I thought they were “student-athletes”?? So he’s there for one reason... football. That would mean they aren’t really student-athletes. Instead they are athletes. So I guess we should start paying these athletes. So he could then decide if he wants to get a paycheck this season taking a risk of exposure. Or he can sit and not get paid. But since that’s not the case. He should be allowed to sit and keep his scholarship since it’s not his fault a virus is running through the world. 
I agree. I was listening to a coach this summer on the radio. I believe it was the Wake Forest coach and he said that any player that did not want to play and risk their health this year then the university would support them and they would not be punished.
 
He did ask the players that if they do play to commit to not do anything high risk when they are away from the team. The UT football players have done a good job of not getting Covid 19 since they have been together. However, I am concerned when the students are around that could change.
 


Some schools aren’t going to be able to hold out long if this extends well into next year. Schools can’t afford to test for COVID 3 times but week like Texas can. Gonna get financially tight soon 

 
Would he be there if he didn’t play football? Maybe, why do you think he wouldn’t? I don’t have to check out the cost of tuition and housing, I went there. I don’t have to check out the cost of to be an athlete. I’m friends with plenty of them. The will tell you should look at the cost of them being a student athlete. They wake earlier than a normal student. They are expected to practice, lift, study film, & then be a student as well. They have to travel on weekends & then make it to class like a normal student. They get free gear, that’s cool. But how about this.. get back to me about how much an individual player brings in revenue. It’s out there. Look at it. Then tell me they aren’t bring in more money then they “receive”. Ask yourself, if the university really thought it would be cheaper to pay the player and let them pay for their room and board. Don’t you think the schools would be pushing for that? They know they are getting a bargain. The free gear is nothing when you consider, the school wouldn’t get that gear or the dollars from Nike if the athletes weren’t here. So it’s not really free gear. The company wants the athletes in it. If the athlete can sign a deal with Nike, they would be getting free gear anyway. Come guy. It’s not that hard to see that this players have way more value than they are compensated for. Free tuition is great but there are plenty of students there on academic scholarship receiving that. They aren’t bring in the same revenue. 

And since I’m looking at them as paid individuals... yes your company may let go of you if you opted out of working but some companies just furlough their workers. Some offer them the opportunity to use their leave or sick time. But they still are considered employees. Tyler was given the option to sit out. He’s using his leave. If you can’t accept that, sucks to be you. But he’s not doing anything wrong. 
Did he apply for admission before he was offered a scholarship?  

All of the things you listed are things to do with being on a football team.  It’s part of what they do to be a good part of a good team.  
 

as far as the revenue brought in by them, yea it’s a lot.  But do high school players get a portion of the gate fees or concessions?  No, those go to the schools.  Same as in college.  They are playing for a school on the schools team.  The school is the reason they are there.  Maybe there should be a semi-pro league for high school players to go to where they’re not expected to take classes and be an amateur student-athlete.  
 

some students are there on full scholarship that aren’t bringing any value to the university?  Those kids earned academic scholarships, some go on to make CEO’s, VP’s, notable people in our world.  That isn’t advertisement for UT?  I’ve seen lists claiming universities putting out more CEO’s than any other, or graduates making more money on average than other universities.  
 

so to say he’s just there to play football?  Yes, he’s just there to play football.  If love to get enough paid leave to miss a full year of “work”.

 
 Free tuition is great but there are plenty of students there on academic scholarship receiving that. They aren’t bring in the same revenue. 
No, but the academic side or the academic draw is what makes Texas, Texas. Texas can match up athletically and academically with the best there is. Or at least some years we line up athletically in that neighborhood.

But part of what Texas sells to its athletes is the highly ranked and highly respected degree that can be earned here, as well as the network that is created by those academics.

 
Did he apply for admission before he was offered a scholarship?  

All of the things you listed are things to do with being on a football team.  It’s part of what they do to be a good part of a good team.  
 

as far as the revenue brought in by them, yea it’s a lot.  But do high school players get a portion of the gate fees or concessions?  No, those go to the schools.  Same as in college.  They are playing for a school on the schools team.  The school is the reason they are there.  Maybe there should be a semi-pro league for high school players to go to where they’re not expected to take classes and be an amateur student-athlete.  
 

some students are there on full scholarship that aren’t bringing any value to the university?  Those kids earned academic scholarships, some go on to make CEO’s, VP’s, notable people in our world.  That isn’t advertisement for UT?  I’ve seen lists claiming universities putting out more CEO’s than any other, or graduates making more money on average than other universities.  
 

so to say he’s just there to play football?  Yes, he’s just there to play football.  If love to get enough paid leave to miss a full year of “work”.
That’s your reasoning? It’s part of being good and so the team is good? That’s a dumb reason but I will go with it. So they are doing more stuff to be good at the athlete part, more than the normal student... so they should again be compensated for doing more than their peers. 
 

Did you really bring up high school?? Wow you’re reaching now man. Stop it, you’re embarrassing yourself. High school is free to go to. So that just ? on your whole free school and board argument for why they shouldn’t be paid. And there aren’t really any of the other perks you mentioned for the players when playing in high school. It’s almost as if the two aren’t the same... ?

Some go on to be CEO’s sure. Some may donate to the university, of course. But not all do. These players are bringing in revenue right now. They are bring advertising dollars in right now. And then they donate their time and money later as well. It’s funny. People will say well UT hasn’t put a lot of players in the league as to why recruits don’t want to play here. So we can openly admit there that these players have long last value to the program. That means they have long last value to the university. So it’s kinda bigger than a CEO who may or may not give you added value at a later date. 
 

So if you’re saying they are just hear to play football. Pay them, if they are truly student athletes, they can decide to not play and focus on the student part during a pandemic. 

 
That’s your reasoning? It’s part of being good and so the team is good? That’s a dumb reason but I will go with it. So they are doing more stuff to be good at the athlete part, more than the normal student... so they should again be compensated for doing more than their peers. 
 

Did you really bring up high school?? Wow you’re reaching now man. Stop it, you’re embarrassing yourself. High school is free to go to. So that just ? on your whole free school and board argument for why they shouldn’t be paid. And there aren’t really any of the other perks you mentioned for the players when playing in high school. It’s almost as if the two aren’t the same... ?

Some go on to be CEO’s sure. Some may donate to the university, of course. But not all do. These players are bringing in revenue right now. They are bring advertising dollars in right now. And then they donate their time and money later as well. It’s funny. People will say well UT hasn’t put a lot of players in the league as to why recruits don’t want to play here. So we can openly admit there that these players have long last value to the program. That means they have long last value to the university. So it’s kinda bigger than a CEO who may or may not give you added value at a later date. 
 

So if you’re saying they are just hear to play football. Pay them, if they are truly student athletes, they can decide to not play and focus on the student part during a pandemic. 
Don’t work out, study film and bust your ass in practice and see where you find yourself as a football player.  That’s not extra, that’s expected.  If you don’t, you won’t be with the team long.  You’ll be encouraged to find opportunity elsewhere.  Pay them?  Tuition is payment.  Use of facilities is payment.  Those facilities can help them achieve their ultimate dream of playing in the NFL.  Better yet, take advantage of a world class education that a lot of their peers are actually PAYING FOR THEMSELVES!!!!!!!  You keep saying they’re getting the same thing the rest of the students are getting.  What percentage of the student body is on full academic scholarship, free place to stay, meal plan like the common student isn’t offered, all the athletic gear, and free use of a top of the line workout facility with a free S&C coach at your service????  How many students get that?  
 

I used the high school as example the kids are playing for the school.  Just the same as when the students-athlete committed to the University.  They play for the university.  Plain and simple.  they agreed to the arrangement we are talking about.  That is their pay for play.  

 
If you asked most of the D1 football players why they’re playing college football....  the most often response will be to get to the NFL.  The second will be to get their education paid for.  The ones that give the second answer, fully understand what a student-athlete is all about.  

 
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