Texas to the Big 10????

[Irish in SEC country]

Historical prestige would be why the B1G is my first choice followed by the ACC because of baseball and basketball. PAC12 not so much because of the time zone......heck I am just an ole fart who goes to bed by 10. I really miss the OU game being a non-conference game and this might make that happen.

The Ivy League has historical prestige in football too. How far back do you want the historical prestige?

 

[Irish in SEC country]

Texas doesn't give a crap about anyone, everyone knows this! However, the state of Texas cares about basic economics and tax revenues from games.
Hypothetically speaking of course;

Let's go over Texas' scheduling first

Texas leaves to the Big 10 with no one else and the big 10 is now at 16 teams.

This means the state will potentially force Texas to continue it's RRR and possibly one game a year alternating between TTech and Baylor. Everyone knows the A&M and Texas rivalry is coming back, which means Texas can potentially have 3 OOC games out of the big 10, that are not going to be cupcake teams!

Texas would be added to the West portion of the big ten, formally known as the Big 10 legends

-Illinois

-Iowa

-Minnesota

-Nebraska

-Northwestern

-Purdue

-Wisconsin

-Texas

Which means Texas' closest away game would be Nebraska, 836 miles away!

Their farthest game will be Minnesota 1,160 miles away.

- Ask WVU how that travel time has been treating them.

-Also those big 10 teams aren't notorious for traveling other than Nebraska and maybe Iowa.

Second thing to bring up is basic state economics and tax revenue.

If Texas says Cya big 12, that leaves TTech, TCU, and Baylor all out looking for new conferences. Which conferences can they join you may ask, well they will need to join a conference that travels well with their teams.

Pac 12- No, they do not travel well at all. Trust me I lived in Pac - 12 country.

SEC - Yes, but good luck!

Big 10- Only adding Texas with no package deal.

ACC - Kinda, only a handful of teams travel for football, your BBall arenas will be packed though.

MWC - LOL are you serious?

AAC - Lets hope they don't go here.

A&M was allowed to go to the SEC mainly because their fans travel very well and are relatively close! Which brings in tons of revenue for the state (A&M and Alabama).

To sum it up, the State capital of Texas (2 blocks away from the campus) would never allow Texas to leave without making sure their little brothers, Baylor, TTech, and TCU, all have a home.Football is a good portion of Tax revenue for the state of Texas.

Does anybody, other than Texas, A&M and perhaps OU, travel to Lubbock or even Waco? If there were much traveling to Waco, Baylor would sell more tickets than it does.

Wouldn't tax revenue from football in TX be primarily from the NFL? And wouldn't there be much more, maybe 10 times more, from Texas and A&M than from all other colleges in TX combined?

 

[ridik01]

Does anybody, other than Texas, A&M and perhaps OU, travel to Lubbock or even Waco? If there were much traveling to Waco, Baylor would sell more tickets than it does.
Wouldn't tax revenue from football in TX be primarily from the NFL? And wouldn't there be much more, maybe 10 times more, from Texas and A&M than from all other colleges in TX combined?

I'm taking tax revenue into account of fans purchasing goods and lodging in hotels. The state still gets tax revenues from Texas teams battling amongst each other, which without teams like Texas and OU (notoriously good traveling fans) visiting Baylor, TCU, and TTech the state will lose tax revenue.

For example if Baylor and TTech go to the MWC, the state would lose tax revenue because the MWC has horrible traveling fans!

The city's economy needs to be taken into account also, less money on gamedays means less money in the pockets of residents! Thus, this contributes to less sales tax, etc. revenue from that city.

The only way that this would work is if TTech and Baylor get absorbed into a fairly good traveling conference, or a completely new conference emerges!

I could be wrong, I'm just looking at how an economist would look at it!

 

[TheContractor]

Does anybody, other than Texas, A&M and perhaps OU, travel to Lubbock or even Waco? If there were much traveling to Waco, Baylor would sell more tickets than it does.
Wouldn't tax revenue from football in TX be primarily from the NFL? And wouldn't there be much more, maybe 10 times more, from Texas and A&M than from all other colleges in TX combined?

Never traveled to Lubbock but i go to Waco frequently for the Texas game. Bu hasnt been good most of the time so you are right, not a game worth traveling to. Currently they are damn good. As long as TT and Bu are good, Texas fans all over the state will travel. I would like to go to a new conference with the following 4 teams with us:Bu/TT/Ou/OkSt

 

[TheContractor]

Texas doesn't give a crap about anyone, everyone knows this! However, the state of Texas cares about basic economics and tax revenues from games.
Hypothetically speaking of course;

Let's go over Texas' scheduling first

Texas leaves to the Big 10 with no one else and the big 10 is now at 16 teams.

This means the state will potentially force Texas to continue it's RRR and possibly one game a year alternating between TTech and Baylor. Everyone knows the A&M and Texas rivalry is coming back, which means Texas can potentially have 3 OOC games out of the big 10, that are not going to be cupcake teams!

Texas would be added to the West portion of the big ten, formally known as the Big 10 legends

-Illinois

-Iowa

-Minnesota

-Nebraska

-Northwestern

-Purdue

-Wisconsin

-Texas

Which means Texas' closest away game would be Nebraska, 836 miles away!

Their farthest game will be Minnesota 1,160 miles away.

- Ask WVU how that travel time has been treating them.

-Also those big 10 teams aren't notorious for traveling other than Nebraska and maybe Iowa.

Second thing to bring up is basic state economics and tax revenue.

If Texas says Cya big 12, that leaves TTech, TCU, and Baylor all out looking for new conferences. Which conferences can they join you may ask, well they will need to join a conference that travels well with their teams.

Pac 12- No, they do not travel well at all. Trust me I lived in Pac - 12 country.

SEC - Yes, but good luck!

Big 10- Only adding Texas with no package deal.

ACC - Kinda, only a handful of teams travel for football, your BBall arenas will be packed though.

MWC - LOL are you serious?

AAC - Lets hope they don't go here.

A&M was allowed to go to the SEC mainly because their fans travel very well and are relatively close! Which brings in tons of revenue for the state (A&M and Alabama).

To sum it up, the State capital of Texas (2 blocks away from the campus) would never allow Texas to leave without making sure their little brothers, Baylor, TTech, and TCU, all have a home.Football is a good portion of Tax revenue for the state of Texas.

Love the post but only a handful of teams travel well in every conference, mostly in football. The advantage some big schools and historically good schools have is that they have alumni and t-shirt fans all over the place.

 

[UTK66]

Texas isn't going to the Big 10. Makes no sense.

The WVU people have such a hard on for realignment for some reason. Can't figure out why. Maybe they realized they're in over there head in the Big 12.

 

[TheContractor]

Agree, how does WVU have 2-3 guys that claim they have the info about realignment and nobody else does.

The odds Texas goes the the Big 10 are less than 1%, unless Deloss is still involved, then they might jump a few points.

 

[Irish in SEC country]

I'm taking tax revenue into account of fans purchasing goods and lodging in hotels. The state still gets tax revenues from Texas teams battling amongst each other, which without teams like Texas and OU (notoriously good traveling fans) visiting Baylor, TCU, and TTech the state will lose tax revenue.For example if Baylor and TTech go to the MWC, the state would lose tax revenue because the MWC has horrible traveling fans!

The city's economy needs to be taken into account also, less money on gamedays means less money in the pockets of residents! Thus, this contributes to less sales tax, etc. revenue from that city.

The only way that this would work is if TTech and Baylor get absorbed into a fairly good traveling conference, or a completely new conference emerges!

I could be wrong, I'm just looking at how an economist would look at it!

Well, does Texas Tech, Baylor or TCU average 10,000 visiting fans per football game? I would guess that is impossible. I would bet that even playing Texas and OU, none of them average more than 5000 per game. I would also guess that no more than half of those stay in motels because they live close enough to drive and then drive back.

I know that Texas will buy up the available tickets to games in Lubbock, Waco and Fort Worth. But surely when those TX schools host ISU, KU, KSU, WVU and even Okie State, they host very few visiting fans. For that matter, how many Baylor fans travel to Lubbock and vice versa?

 

[ridik01]

Thus without having OU and Texas in the conference those schools' cities economies will take a hit because they will will not have Texas and OU traveling to their cities every other year!

Legislature for Texas will think twice before allowing Texas to go to the big 10!

 

[ridik01]

There are many politicians in Texas that will use every excuse in the book to protect their universities from falling into the abyss.

 

[Pancho Negro]

Thus without having OU and Texas in the conference those schools' cities economies will take a hit because they will will not have Texas and OU traveling to their cities every other year!Legislature for Texas will think twice before allowing Texas to go to the big 10!

This is an assumption without any evidence to back it up. There's absolutely no logic whatsoever.

 

[ridik01]

This is an assumption without any evidence to back it up. There's absolutely no logic whatsoever.

How is there no logic? It's simple economics.......

 

[Irish in SEC country]

Thus without having OU and Texas in the conference those schools' cities economies will take a hit because they will will not have Texas and OU traveling to their cities every other year!Legislature for Texas will think twice before allowing Texas to go to the big 10!

To keep it about the smallest of towns because much larger towns necessarily are hurt less by the loss of traveling sports fans, Ole Miss is guaranteed large visiting crowds (10,000, if the tickets are available) when Bama, Auburn, Miss St, LSU, and Ark visit. Those are SEC West foes, so they visit every other year. Plus, Tennessee and Georgia will also have up to 10,000 visiting fans if tickets are available. Even faraway Florida will have 5000 or more fans in Oxford football games.

Oxford losing all that, which is at least 3 games per year, would be a hindrance to the local economy. Not a killer, mind you. Just a hindrance for a while. So how much can Lubbock be hurt economically from losing 1 such football game per year?

 

[Irish in SEC country]

Good post. The ACC now has a GOR so they can't come anymore but a few months ago Fsu, the U and Clemson would have come and a certain Dodds stopped it bc of his man love for ND. If somehow there is a loophole in GOR then maybe? Doesn't look good right now, maybe in 10-12 yrs.

Also, I think it makes more sense for a merge of Big12/ACC or Texas & friends to Acc. Ku wants to be in big10 and Kst/ISU arnt a desire for any conference and may end up in PAC bc they have nowhere else to expand.

There is a reason that neither Miami nor FSU nor Clemson nor GT nor VT nor Virginia nor North Carolina would have ever gone to the Big 12: Notre Dame. Swofford and Swarbrick did not hatch the plan to get my Irish into the ACC at the last second. With us playing 5 ACC teams per year in football, none of those schools would leave for the SEC, much less the Big 12.

 

[ridik01]

This is an assumption without any evidence to back it up. There's absolutely no logic whatsoever.

Let me break it down for you, OU and Texas fans travel very well and they bring money with them. Upon arriving to said location of game, they stay at hotels and start spending money at that location, thus boosting the economy of that city. The city and state pulls in tax revenue off of sales tax. After the economy flourishes from the game the residents at that location start to spend that money, thus boosting the tax revenue of the state and city again!

If Baylor, TTech, and TCU, go to play in the MWC, they wouldn't have the economy boosted like OU and Texas games being that most of the teams in the MWC barely even care about football!

I already stated I may be wrong and don't take my word for it, but if I was a TCU alum, that was also a politician, I would use this excuse to the fullest!

-Politics has a lot to do with conference realignment!

 

[ridik01]

To keep it about the smallest of towns because much larger towns necessarily are hurt less by the loss of traveling sports fans, Ole Miss is guaranteed large visiting crowds (10,000, if the tickets are available) when Bama, Auburn, Miss St, LSU, and Ark visit. Those are SEC West foes, so they visit every other year. Plus, Tennessee and Georgia will also have up to 10,000 visiting fans if tickets are available. Even faraway Florida will have 5000 or more fans in Oxford football games.
Oxford losing all that, which is at least 3 games per year, would be a hindrance to the local economy. Not a killer, mind you. Just a hindrance for a while. So how much can Lubbock be hurt economically from losing 1 such football game per year?

Have you been to Lubbock? Baylor and TTech are foes of Texas and OU, many fans go out to those games each year! Any town is affected greatly from traveling fans, huge reason why the cotton bowl is still standing to this day! And that stadium is located in Dallas, a very large city!

I doubt the SEC really has that many visitors come in for every game! I'm not going to get in a Big 12 vs. SEC argument here!

 

[ridik01]

I take that comment back, they may have that many traveling visitors.....but who's saying the big 12 doesn't have those numbers either? There's no way to really judge how many visitors you have at each game because most people just buy tickets off of stubhub, which throws them anywhere in the stadium!

-This doesn't take into account the traveling alumni for big rivalry games! TTech vs. Boise state, may sound enticing, but it may not draw the crowds like Texas vs. TTech.

 

[Irish in SEC country]

Have you been to Lubbock? Baylor and TTech are foes of Texas and OU, many fans go out to those games each year! Any town is affected greatly from traveling fans, huge reason why the cotton bowl is still standing to this day! And that stadium is located in Dallas, a very large city!
I doubt the SEC really has that many visitors come in for every game! I'm not going to get in a Big 12 vs. SEC argument here!

Who goes to Lubbock but diehard fans of Buddy Holly?

It is not that way for every game and locale in the SEC. Kentucky football fans travel no farther away than Nashville and Knoxville and never in large numbers. Vanderbilt has many fewer fans than UK. Fayetteville, AR is much too far away to have visiting fans travel to in large numbers. I used Ole Miss because I know it well.

I cannot believe any town could be a tenth as hurt economically by losing 1 football game per year in which a large number of visiting fans swarm on it as you assume.

 

[Irish in SEC country]

Let me break it down for you, OU and Texas fans travel very well and they bring money with them. Upon arriving to said location of game, they stay at hotels and start spending money at that location, thus boosting the economy of that city. The city and state pulls in tax revenue off of sales tax. After the economy flourishes from the game the residents at that location start to spend that money, thus boosting the tax revenue of the state and city again!
If Baylor, TTech, and TCU, go to play in the MWC, they wouldn't have the economy boosted like OU and Texas games being that most of the teams in the MWC barely even care about football!

I already stated I may be wrong and don't take my word for it, but if I was a TCU alum, that was also a politician, I would use this excuse to the fullest!

-Politics has a lot to do with conference realignment!

If the University of Texas would allow such politicking to keep it from moving if it wants to, and that after A&M has moved, leaving the TCUs and Baylors behind with nary a care, then the University of Texas is a paper tiger. The result of that long term will be that your standard tough Texas kids will see A&M as a school and team for Texas men while Texas is something much more domestic and docile, bowing to the whims of politicians.

 

[ridik01]

Who goes to Lubbock but diehard fans of Buddy Holly?
It is not that way for every game and locale in the SEC. Kentucky football fans travel no farther away than Nashville and Knoxville and never in large numbers. Vanderbilt has many fewer fans than UK. Fayetteville, AR is much too far away to have visiting fans travel to in large numbers. I used Ole Miss because I know it well.

I cannot believe any town could be a tenth as hurt economically by losing 1 football game per year in which a large number of visiting fans swarm on it as you assume.

I went to the Texas vs. TTech game last year which was pretty packed(and that was a Texas down year).

Dude this is flying right over your head, Texas and OU are the Alabama, LSU, and Florida of the big 12! We come in swarms when we go to football games anywhere around the country!

2012 season

New Mexico 58,955

#17 Oklahoma 60,800

#5 West Virginia 57,328

Texas 60,879

Kansas 55,052

OU and Texas have the highest attendance to Jones AT&T stadium in the 2012 season.

I would be happy with an extra 2-5k people spending money in my city every other year!