OT - UFO's, Bigfeet, ghosts, monsters from lochs, etc.

[SFlonghorngirl]

How big is Big Foot? Now is Sasquatch totally different from Big Foot or same creature with different name because in different region?

 

[pringlelake]

I thought this board was about sports at the University of Texas. I guess I was mistaken.

Sorry, but the OP is just trying to stir things up and be annoying. Just like he did late last week over on OB where he basically got told to take a hike.

I'm not certain if you're being serious or not. But the Doc Longhorn that posts on this board does not post on OB. I saw the thread that you're talking about on OB, and I can assure you that it was a different poster. 

I like the idea of having a few off topic threads on this board. Anything that gets posted here that gets more people to participate and post makes this place better, IMO.

 

[MikeV73]

I believe in UFOs, Big Foot, Loch Ness, Unicorns, ghosts, immaculate reception, etc. Universe too big for it not to happen.

I like the Steelers reference, nice work. Franco appreciates your belief in the legality of that play.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

What did your Bigfoot sound like, smell like, and look like? Where did the encounter happen?

I'm surprised he came within 20 feet of your truck based on the accounts of how shy these creatures supposedly are. Give us your best estimate on his height & weight.

Details, please

Here is a audio recording made in Ohio in '94. Very similar to what I heard.

[vid]http://bfro.net/avevid/mjm/Howl.mp3[/vid]

As for smell, it would be difficult to describe as there is nothing really like it to compare to. But I'll try. Take the worst BO you've ever smelled, mix with foul urine smell, wet dog odor, and you're close.

How big is Big Foot? Now is Sasquatch totally different from Big Foot or same creature with different name because in different region?

Estimates are from 9-11 ft in height, from 400 to 800 lbs in weight. Their youth are smaller of course.

Sasquatch and Bigfoot are the same. The NW version is a tad larger than others. Lots of prints in the Tex-La-Okla region are three-toed. Biologists suggest inbreeding has caused this deformity. He's called different names in different regions. The Native Americans even have their own names for them.

 

[SFlonghorngirl]

SHA, now what do you mean by inbreeding? They're sleeping with their own family members?

 

[Sirhornsalot]

[vid]http://bfro.net/avevid/exped/classbpa.mp3[/vid]

This is a walkie-talkie exchange during a Class B (compromised visibility) encounter on a BFRO expedition. It was recorded by documentary filmmaker Chris Noel during the 2005 expedition in Michaux State Forest, Pennsylvania. The woman speaking is Lorrie G. - a sheriff deputy from New Jersey.

Lorrie is a keen observer of bodies in motion. Lorrie's day job is transporting felons to courts, and walking unarmed through holding pens of unrestrained jail inmates. She has also worked with surveillance teams for the sheriffs department.

After the incident Lorrie described the figure she observed in greater detail. It was upright and very large. She could see the shape of its head, its shoulder, and clearly observed its large swinging arms as it walked up the road toward her. She watched one figure, but insisted there was more than one nearby. 

Not long after the end of the recording the figures departed and didn't return.

 

[streettopeschel]

SHA, now what do you mean by inbreeding? They're sleeping with their own family members?

that would certainly help explain the sightings in OK and ARK.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

SHA, now what do you mean by inbreeding? They're sleeping with their own family members?

correct, causes certain deformities such as not having correct number of toes or fingers.

 

[doc longhorn]

FIRST, LET ME SAY THAT I AM A COUNTRY BOY WHO SPENT AS MUCH TIME IN THE WOODS AS IN THE HOUSE. BELIEVE ME, WHEN I SAY THAT I WAS ON THE SIDE OF THE SCEPTICS.

I've been following this since it was first posted, but like so many others who have had personal experience with this creature, I have chosen, so far, to remain quiet about it.

I had no interest in a, so called, Bigfoot creature until 2001. My experience then made me realize how arrogant, and "all knowing" we are. The sound, the smell, and the actual sighting were all witnessed. The sighting was within 20 feet of our truck in broad daylight. The sound and smell were on a day just prior.

The TV show is a pathetic mockery of something very real.

Believe what you choose. They do exist.

I would love to hear your story.  I promise you, you will not be ridiculed.

I had a 4 year old expire, come back to life and relate some things that will make your hair stand on end, so skeptic or not, I have no reason to doubt you or your story.

 

[SFlonghorngirl]

correct, causes certain deformities such as not having correct number of toes or fingers.

So Big Foot is a primate right?

 

[Sirhornsalot]

So Big Foot is a primate right?

Correct

 

[pringlelake]

I'm also one of the skeptics...very much like Doc...but I would never make disparaging remarks about someone relating their experiences.  All of y'all that have experiences...please continue posting. I think it's interesting.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I've had two. The first was unexpected and much more significant. The second had no visual, only sound and smell and was a result of me going to a known location (Honobia, Oklahoma) where activity is high.

 

[doc longhorn]

I've had two. The first was unexpected and much more significant. The second had no visual, only sound and smell and was a result of me going to a known location (Honobia, Oklahoma) where activity is high.

I have been to the original Bigfoot sighting in Banff Park, Canada. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I have been to the original Bigfoot sighting in Banff Park, Canada. 

Well, according to some cave depictions from a few thousand years ago, Banff Park was not the original.

 

[doc longhorn]

Well, according to some cave depictions from a few thousand years ago, Banff Park was not the original.

Here is where my skepticism comes in.  How does a creature, that is 9'-11' tall and weighs between 400 and 800 lbs. be stealthy enough to evade either capture or be photo captured in all this time?  How does a monster of this size evade detection so easily?

How does he evade dogs and infrared and heat detecting technology?  In todays precise photography technology, why can't a legitimate photo be taken of him, other than some nebulous and foggy junk that looks like a 6 year old made?

Why haven't we found his bones, burial grounds, carcasses, etc. - when we have discovered the fossils of pre-historic creatures?

How is it, if he is indeed a primate, that we have had no problem discovering gorillas, apes, baboons, etc.? 

Sirhonsalot - don't you think these are legitimate questions? 

For people that believe in Bigfoot - what are their answers to these questions?

Of course I understand there are a lot of unexplained things in this world.  But to use this as an argument is a little disingenuous to me.  Especially as it relates to a creature this large, around this long and STILL be undiscovered in our heavily populated and 21st century world.

So I discount this rebuttal, off hand, as unacceptable.  I need something more substantial.

I want to hear explanations I can grab hold of, hold up to the light and give some credence to.

I promise you, I'll try to be as open minded as I can.

 

[streettopeschel]

I'm also one of the skeptics...very much like Doc...but I would never make disparaging remarks about someone relating their experiences.  All of y'all that have experiences...please continue posting. I think it's interesting.

i'm a skeptic too, but i'm pretty skeptical of damn near everything. it's how i roll, but i'm realistic enough to know we don't know all the things we don't know.

but yes, the stories are interesting as hell to me. and doc...tell us what your 4-year old patient had to say. some sort of life-after-death experience i assume. 

 

[doc longhorn]

i'm a skeptic too, but i'm pretty skeptical of damn near everything. it's how i roll, but i'm realistic enough to know we don't know all the things we don't know.

but yes, the stories are interesting as hell to me. and doc...tell us what your 4-year old patient had to say. some sort of life-after-death experience i assume. 

Hers' was but one incidence, actually.  But she was unique, to say the least.  During a simple OR mandible procedure, she flat lined for almost 3 minutes .  It turned out she had undetected aortic valvular stenosis (a narrowing of a main heart artery).  In essence she died.

Upon revival she related some incredible experiences that , from the mouth of a babe, you know were not made up.  She described her grandmother to a 'T'- whom expired while giving birth to her mother.  She detailed a hand in hand walk through a beautiful garden with her, while her grandmother was the same age as she.  All this was confirmed by her mother with photos and who weeped throughout my interview with the little girl.  She told her mother that HER mother said to tell her that she was happy and that she loved her.

This is pretty deep stuff coming from a four year old.  And chillingly stunning, as well.

By-the-way, at that time, both parents were confirmed atheists that worked as petroleum eng.'s for Halliburton.

They are no longer atheists..

 

[streettopeschel]

ok Doc...THAT was goose-bump worthy.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Here is where my skepticism comes in.  How does a creature, that is 9'-11' tall and weighs between 400 and 800 lbs. be stealthy enough to evade either capture or be photo captured in all this time?  How does a monster of this size evade detection so easily?

He does, and he doesn't. There are THOUSANDS of sighting and encounter reports across the nation. That said, he could be standing in front of you in the forest and be very difficult to see.

How does he evade dogs and infrared and heat detecting technology?  In todays precise photography technology, why can't a legitimate photo be taken of him, other than some nebulous and foggy junk that looks like a 6 year old made?

Dogs evade them. They cower when they pick up their scent. I do not bother taking a dog as it will not be productive simply because of the dog.

There are some excellent photos taken. Game cams by nature are of poor quality. They do the job they're asked to do I suppose. But if you're using a game cam and there's a bear around, it will be destroyed. They will seek it out, find it, and attempt to eat it. The cams are made with a plastic that's petro based, which for some reason attracts the bears.

Thermal cams have picked them up. I have a night vision cam but it's not thermal. But it does allow me to see in the dark and was surprisingly affordable.

Why haven't we found his bones, burial grounds, carcasses, etc. - when we have discovered the fossils of pre-historic creatures?

They live in places that humans do not go. And when we do go, we don't excavate simply because it's remote and not practical. We have found toe nails, finger nails, hair, etc. 

How is it, if he is indeed a primate, that we have had no problem discovering gorillas, apes, baboons, etc.? 

Gorillas were considered a myth until 1958. People were ridiculed back then for the belief in a large ape in Africa just as Big Footers are today. But they were discovered and documented in 1958. That's in your lifetime my friend.

Another item to consider is that there seems to be a higher degree of intelligence at work than most apes.

Sirhonsalot - don't you think these are legitimate questions? 

Those are indeed legitimate questions for someone who has had little exposure to the subject.

For people that believe in Bigfoot - what are their answers to these questions?

Of course I understand there are a lot of unexplained things in this world.  But to use this as an argument is a little disingenuous to me.  Especially as it relates to a creature this large, around this long and STILL be undiscovered in our heavily populated and 21st century world.

It may be the 21st century, but there are places within a half-days drive of DFW where you would literally ask me to take you home it's so remote. If you have no moon, you literally have no light. It's a whole different idea of darkness. So "heavily populated" is right, but the idea that remote places aren't capable of concealing a species is a stretch, at best.

So I discount this rebuttal, off hand, as unacceptable.  I need something more substantial.

I want to hear explanations I can grab hold of, hold up to the light and give some credence to.

I promise you, I'll try to be as open minded as I can.

Native Americans, and then the Vikings both landed on American soil. One stayed and spread out while the other made repeated trips here. Yet, we still give Columbus credit for discovering something thousands of people were already aware of for hundreds of years.

So while we can produce photos, video, audio, DNA, etc., there are still people who are asking why these materials don't exist. That's almost as big of a mystery as BF himself, IMO.