***National Signing Day Thread***

[swaha]

I've not personally heard that. I think it would be a little silly to do that. Who can argue against those principles? Wife-beating meth-heads?

I think Texas and aggy distinguish themselves very well now. Aggy's program lacks discipline, they don't mind losing, repeatedly having off-field issues, and a coach who is fat and half the time doesn't shave. Compare that with Charlie Strong, who shaves both his face and head , is known for discipline and putting players in the NFL.

I'd say let them recruit that way as much as they want.

I believe it came from a comment that Higdon, I think that is his name, wrote on his summary in regards to NSD.

I'm not a premium member so I'm not sure.

 

[swaha]

I found the comment about core values.  This is an answer to a question about why the Texas staff didnt jump on Soso or Locke early in the recruiting process.  

Because those kids were told over and over and over not to visit Texas because they would not want to play for a coach that has core values and discipline. I kid you not that is not joke. You have the most powerful football brand in the world. A hot new staff comes in and you as the HC of SoSo or Lodge or Mack or Murray do NOT feel obligated to bring your star players to Texas to meet this new coaching staff? In my opinion that falls squarely on the shoulders of the high school head coaches. The parents for the most part, maybe are split households and are not really ever going to take it upon themselves to simply jump in the car and drive to Austin. I thought the high school head coaches in the state of Texas did a horrible job of at least getting their star players and underclass kids in front of Charlie Strong.

 

[utisdabomb12]

They have a lot more depth than we do

DE Myles Garrett is a beast, no question

NT Alonzo Williams - returning starter
DE Julien Obioha - returning starter
NT 4-star Zaycoven Henderson (cough)

NT 3/4-star Hardreck Walker

DE 4-star Qualen Cunningham

DE 4-star Daeshon Hall

DT 3/4-star Jay Arnold

DL 4-star Justin Manning

DL 4-star Deshawn Washington

Of the 2015s, besides 5-star Mack, they also got 4-star DT Kingsley KeKe 

Stars don't mean everything. Out of that group only one player has produced a thing, Myles Garrett. Depth means nothing if they can't produce. Players like Jay Arnold, Justin Manning and Hardreck Walker have essentially been busts. Zaycoven Henderson will eventually transfer or be kicked off the team (barely made it through this season). Alonzo Williams and Julien Obioha are average at best. Deshawn Washington, Qualen Cunningam, and Daeshon Hall are guys that have done little to nothing.

I'm dead serious when I say I would take our defensive line over theirs. I don't think it's even close either. A&M has some highly touted recruits on their defensive line that haven't done a single thing. Depth vs quality depth matters. 

 

[shotime73]

say juan big ups to ya for that junior day invite list there thank you sir

 

[ttbthookem]

My phone won't let me quote anyone but as to an argument between the ag and longhorn going on I'm not here to defend any aggy however it is slightly foolish to not realize that there is a very good chance every school cheats to get recruits. I'm not going to pretend Texas is the only school not to. Now, how, hown much, and how much of it does the staff kniw about is up for question but Im pretty sure they all do.

 

[ttbthookem]

I'd also like to say that if you say won't ealborate on a story that you claim to have info on until later and than you decide to elaborate when someone else releases a 9000 word story on it. Seems fishy that your sources aren't anyone but the person that released the story and in that sense we all could claim hI'm as our source.

 

[Juan]

I never defend aggy but they have enviable DLine depth - which was the actual point made above.  If you can be objective for just a moment, then you will have to admit their line depth is deeper than ours.

Yet you are correct that depth did not show up in their performance.  

Their rush defense was horrid at #112th in ypg, out of 128 ranked FBS teams (223.5 ypg).

But we did not exactly light the world on fire at 66th (162.1 ypg)

We were also better in YPA at 3.9 (good for 42nd) while aggy was 104th with a putrid 5.1.

We gave up 16 rushing TDs (to tie for 35th), while aggy gave up 23 (tying for 92nd)

We had 40 sacks (12th best) while they had 36 (24th)

But let us see what Chavis gets done with them.  They have the line depth --  and simply adding Mack (who will be a beast) to the already-existing beast in Garrett is going to improve their team performance.  But their secondary still sucks (this is where they really blew it in crootin IMO)

I have a lot of confidence in our defensive staff and we added alot of talent.  At the same time, we lost our best defensive player in Malcom Brown and will be playing youngsters in the secondary and at LB.

For their part, aggy almost has to be better.  It will be interesting to see what Chavis can do with them.

 

[Juan]

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[shotime73]

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

cherry wants to take some anger out on somebody lol

 

[Juan]

Stars don't mean everything....

Here is a good look at 5-stars going back to 2002

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000320664/article/yearbyyear-look-at-fivestar-college-football-recruits

Here's what we found:

 
» There were 262 recruits given five-star status. There were as many as 38 five stars in one class, in 2002, and as few as 25, in both 2003 and 2004. The average number of five-star recruits in a class was 29.
 
» Of those 262, 116 were drafted (44.3 percent) and 42 went in the first round (16 percent); 38 percent of the five stars who were drafted were first-rounders.
 
» Two former five-star recruits in that span, Matthew Stafford and Cam Newton, have been the overall No. 1 draft pick.
 
» There are 18 former five-star recruits from the 2002 to 2010 class who will be in the 2014 draft, and there are another seven who will be seniors in college in the fall. (Counting the 11 five-star recruits in the 2011 class, there will be 29 former five-star recruits in the 2014 draft.)
 
» Some more numbers to think about: FBS schools sign about 2,500 players every year, and maybe 30 are five-star recruits. That means a bit more than 1 percent of the players who sign every February are five-star guys.
 
» Not all the five-star recruits had a shot at being drafted. Two were in prison, and another faces a March trial for assault. A handful had to give up football because of injuries. A few never played a down of major-college football because of academic issues. One decided on a pro baseball career, and another chose pro track. And there are two former five-star guys whose whereabouts are unknown. We have identified those players.

And here is a decent and recent Bleacher Report write up looking at Rivals 5-stars

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1938590-whats-the-success-rate-for-5-star-recruits-reaching-the-nfl

In short, this is what we think we've learned from the data above:

• Two of every five 5-star prospects becomes a long-term NFL player.
• There is a significant difference between 5-stars in the top half of their class and 5-stars in the bottom half.
• Receivers and tight ends are the best bets to pan out; defensive backs and defensive linemen have the most bust potential.
• Programs in the current Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC have done the best job cultivating 5-star talent.

 

[Juan]

cherry wants to take some anger out on somebody lol

His name might give way to broadcaster abuse --

Like "Look at that, the QB has a Cherry on top"

"Their backfield is a bowl of Cherries right now"

"He's Cherry-picking out there"

 

[Juan]

Retweet/Favorite. You know the drill. Try to get his attention. 

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

Edit: He just favorited it.



Did you CC to Watson?

 

[shotime73]

His name might give way to broadcaster abuse --

Like "Look at that, the QB has a Cherry on top"

"Their backfield is a bowl of Cherries right now"

"He's Cherry-picking out there"

:lol: :lol: u need jesus for that lmao

 

[utisdabomb12]

I never defend aggy but they have enviable DLine depth - which was the actual point made above.  If you can be objective for just a moment, then you will have to admit their line depth is deeper than ours.

Yet you are correct that depth did not show up in their performance.  

Their rush defense was horrid at #112th in ypg, out of 128 ranked FBS teams (223.5 ypg).

But we did not exactly light the world on fire at 66th (162.1 ypg)

We were also better in YPA at 3.9 (good for 42nd) while aggy was 104th with a putrid 5.1.

We gave up 16 rushing TDs (to tie for 35th), while aggy gave up 23 (tying for 92nd)

We had 40 sacks (12th best) while they had 36 (24th)

But let us see what Chavis gets done with them.  They have the line depth --  and simply adding Mack (who will be a beast) to the already-existing beast in Garrett is going to improve their team performance.  But their secondary still sucks (this is where they really blew it in crootin IMO)

I have a lot of confidence in our defensive staff and we added alot of talent.  At the same time, we lost our best defensive player in Malcom Brown and will be playing youngsters in the secondary and at LB.

For their part, aggy almost has to be better.  It will be interesting to see what Chavis can do with them.

I think they have more players/highly touted recruits on the defensive line, but I'm not sure I consider that "depth". Like I said above, about 3/4th of those players listed haven't been productive at all. Maybe Chavis turns it around. I tend to believe LBers and the secondary are a bigger problem for A&M, but I'm not at all sold on their defensive line. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

My phone won't let me quote anyone but as to an argument between the ag and longhorn going on I'm not here to defend any aggy however it is slightly foolish to not realize that there is a very good chance every school cheats to get recruits. I'm not going to pretend Texas is the only school not to. Now, how, hown much, and how much of it does the staff kniw about is up for question but Im pretty sure they all do.

I think it's a wasted conversation and is so often used, unfortunately, to justify the latest cheater.

"Well, dad, everybody's doing it!" It's a common tactic used by kids everywhere. It's also a way overused excuse in the political arena and you even hear it on traffic stops, police say.

If we reduce ourselves to rationalizing every offense away, then there's really no point in having rules or laws. Everybody does it or at least we'd like to assume they do – so the whole thing is pointless and a charade.

The scary thing for me is when people accept that and cheating becomes the norm, not the exception.

And if it ever comes to that, aggy needs to understand – no one can outspend Texas.

 

[Juan]

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

 

[shotime73]

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

that is too awesome...

 

[primal defense]

I just saw UT is interested in Vernon Adams per his high school coach along with UCLA. That would be a big signing consider our inexperience at QB next year.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Jeff Howe has a nice wrap up of the class on 24-7. One thing that stood out to me about his wrap up, concerning Locksley . . . 

"I watched Kai Locksley (Baltimore, Md./Gilman) throw right next to Zach Gentry when Texas hosted its select camp last July. What I noticed between the Longhorns' quarterback commit at the time (Gentry) and the recruit who would tell multiple Texas commits in the days that followed that he was coming (Locksley) was both were almost dead even as passers."

Very encouraging . . . 

 

[Juan]

So, we have thrown our hat in the ring for Vernon
I dont know what it might mean for Heard and his development, but I do think this guy would put us in contention to win the league in 2015
 
 
by Andrew Greif  agreif@oregonian.com -- posted Friday
http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2015/02/oregons_interest_in_vernon_ada.html
 




 
"Oregon is not the only suitor attempting to bring Vernon Adams to campus.
 
UCLA and Texas have each registered interest in Adams, the Eastern Washington quarterback who can graduate and transfer to play immediately for a fifth season of eligibility in 2015, according to his high school coach Dean Herrington.
 
Herrington, who has coached at Bishop Alemany in Mission Hills, California, for nine seasons, said he's fielded calls from the schools since Oregon's pursuit of Adams became well-known. 
 
"They both want him," Herrington said in a phone interview, adding that he believes Adams' decision will nonetheless come down to the Ducks and Eagles.
 
Adams took an official visit to Oregon the last weekend of January. After he returned to Cheney, Washington, he told 247Sports earlier this week that he could decide as early as Monday whether to stay at Eastern, where his blend of passing and running has made him runner-up for the Walter Payton award for FCS player of the year two consecutive seasons.
 
Eastern Washington coach Beau Baldwin said Wednesday that he will meet with Adams on Monday to discuss his options. He hopes to find out sometime soon after where the quarterback stands.
 
"It'll be sooner rather than later," Baldwin told the Spokesman-Review. "We're definitely not trying to drag this out for weeks."
 
Both the Bruins and Longhorns have blue-chip quarterbacks on their roster, but they are young. Five-star freshman Josh Rosen has already enrolled at UCLA, while four-star dual-threat QB Kai Locksley sent Texas his letter of intent on Wednesday.
 
The Ducks have offered Adams a scholarship but no guarantee of starting. He would be one more quarterback in an already packed competition, joining junior-to-be Jeff Lockie, sophomores Taylor Alie and Ty Griffin, redshirt freshman Morgan Mahalak and true freshman Travis Waller.
 
Adams is said to graduate this spring from Eastern, meaning he'd miss Oregon's spring practices but be available by summer."