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[Lord Vader]

Herb needs to go to OZ and start tossing salads. F@#K him..

Hell yes.

 

[joebobb]

You really don't need to be an insider to know Urban is not coming to Texas. While he was very interested in Texas before Ohio State opened up, he no longer has the same interest.

Can you actually think of a coach who has left an elite program for another elite program? It just does not happen.

 

[Pancho Negro]

he no longer has the same interest. .

Comments like this is what bother me about message boards. Seriously, how do you know he no longer has interest? The only person who knows if he has interest is Urban Meyer himself. So are you Meyer?

Can we stop with the assumptions and lack of logic?

(I'm a PhD student. Forgive me.)

 

[burntomaro]

Comments like this is what bother me about message boards. Seriously, how do you know he no longer has interest? The only person who knows if he has interest is Urban Meyer himself. So are you Meyer?
Can we stop with the assumptions and lack of logic?

(I'm a PhD student. Forgive me.)

Some people get off on being internet hotshots...know-it-alls. Pretty sad.

 

[joebobb]

As a PHD student logically you should be able to deduce that Urban is not coming to Texas. Do I know he does not have the same interest? I do not know him personally, but when he expressed his interest in Texas in the past, it was before he went to Ohio State. Since he has no connection to Texas, and he is from Ohio, it makes it less likely he would be interested.

Ohio State is one of the top 5 programs in the country, they can offer pretty much everything Texas can. Think about it, what motivation would he have to make the switch. Money?? Ohio state can pay it, Prestige?? OSU has more National Championships last I checked, Recruiting?? Texas is a better state but Ohio isn't half bad and they recruit nationally anyway. Ties to Texas?? does not have any. When people make job changes, there is something that stands out about the new job that their current job is not able to offer. There really is not significant difference between OSU and Texas (Now I do not know the inner working of each dept so I can only comment on the surface). Unless there is some fight meyer is having with the Administration at OSU, which there are no rumors of that, there is no chance he is coming.

 

[DizzG]

You really don't need to be an insider to know Urban is not coming to Texas. While he was very interested in Texas before Ohio State opened up, he no longer has the same interest.
Can you actually think of a coach who has left an elite program for another elite program? It just does not happen.

I don't think anyone knows he doesn't have the same interest. At this point from what's being said by someone on another site that actually knows him and texts with him he would at least meet with Texas and listen. His agent was contacted today

 

[joebobb]

I just wouldn't get my hopes up. He may be an option but like Saban, Harbaugh, Fisher, Malzhan, they are not realistic options.

 

[Pancho Negro]

As a PHD student logically you should be able to deduce that Urban is not coming to Texas. Do I know he does not have the same interest? I do not know him personally, but when he expressed his interest in Texas in the past, it was before he went to Ohio State. Since he has no connection to Texas, and he is from Ohio, it makes it less likely he would be interested.
Ohio State is one of the top 5 programs in the country, they can offer pretty much everything Texas can. Think about it, what motivation would he have to make the switch. Money?? Ohio state can pay it, Prestige?? OSU has more National Championships last I checked, Recruiting?? Texas is a better state but Ohio isn't half bad and they recruit nationally anyway. Ties to Texas?? does not have any. When people make job changes, there is something that stands out about the new job that their current job is not able to offer. There really is not significant difference between OSU and Texas (Now I do not know the inner working of each dept so I can only comment on the surface). Unless there is some fight meyer is having with the Administration at OSU, which there are no rumors of that, there is no chance he is coming.

Actually, no I can't deduce anything because I don't have evidence from Meyer himself about this job.

The 3 essential elements of an argument are claim, warrant, and evidence. With Meyer, you and your arguments are just claims--you have no evidence or warrant to back up your "logic."

Deducing and making an assumption are two totes different things.

Keep in mind I'm not saying it's a definite he's coming or not. All I'm saying is that it's stupid to keep saying Coach A and Coach B would NEVER come here for X reason, when in reality we have no way of knowing. It's all your assumption and guesses based on limited evidence and logic.

*pours more whiskey*

 

[joebobb]

There is evidence to back up the claim. Is it the strongest evidence? No, it is not. Fact is I do not know Urban Meyer, I have not had a conversation with him, or do I have any hearsay evidence that he would make a jump.

But this much is known. 1) Elite coaches do not jump from one elite program to another. It has not been done, not saying it cant happen but it really is not done.

2) Meyer has no connection to Texas, he does to Ohio.

3) He expressed his interest in Texas before he took Ohio State's position.

4) On the surface, there is not anything that Texas could offer that Ohio State cant.

5) He just made a jump 2 years ago, there have been no rumblings that he had been unhappy at OSU (there would have been some leaks out there if there were) and the FACT is, there is a lot of silence on that front.

Now with the facts that we know, and the evidence that exists, it is pretty evident to the educated person that Meyer is unlikely to come to Texas. If you think otherwise, I have some swampland in Florida to sell you. Now again, Urban Meyer may have a deep secret love with Texas football and it could have been the dream job he never spoke about to anyone before that I may not be aware of. So no we do not have all the facts that could be possibly known, but the preponderance of the evidence says he is not coming to Texas.

 

[Pancho Negro]

There is evidence to back up the claim. Is it the strongest evidence? No, it is not. Fact is I do not know Urban Meyer, I have not had a conversation with him, or do I have any hearsay evidence that he would make a jump.But this much is known. 1) Elite coaches do not jump from one elite program to another. It has not been done, not saying it cant happen but it really is not done.

2) Meyer has no connection to Texas, he does to Ohio.

3) He expressed his interest in Texas before he took Ohio State's position.

4) On the surface, there is not anything that Texas could offer that Ohio State cant.

5) He just made a jump 2 years ago, there have been no rumblings that he had been unhappy at OSU (there would have been some leaks out there if there were) and the FACT is, there is a lot of silence on that front.

Now with the facts that we know, and the evidence that exists, it is pretty evident to the educated person that Meyer is unlikely to come to Texas. If you think otherwise, I have some swampland in Florida to sell you. Now again, Urban Meyer may have a deep secret love with Texas football and it could have been the dream job he never spoke about to anyone before that I may not be aware of. So no we do not have all the facts that could be possibly known, but the preponderance of the evidence says he is not coming to Texas.

*pours more whiskey*

 

[joebobb]

Pancho, go ahead, put your money on Meyer, Harbaugh, Saban, Malzhan and Fisher. I will take the rest of the field, I like my odds.

 

[Bevo11]

Pancho, go ahead, put your money on Meyer, Harbaugh, Saban, Malzhan and Fisher. I will take the rest of the field, I like my odds.

Serious question: are you orange horn, his off-spring, or just his torch bearer?

Come clean, 'cause we got the goods on you.

 

[pompomman]

joebobb, you are not keeping up...Pancho is correct, your claim is entirely unsubstantiated logically while Pancho's is correct. that doesn't at all mean Urban is coming to Texas (nor does Pancho make such a claim or appear to believe such a claim) it merely means that you don't know and have not presented anything which overturns Pancho's rather uncontroversial claim. bottom line, we don't know what Urban will or will not do in regards to an offer from Texas because we don't know what Urban is thinking. For all we know, he hates cold weather and loves live music, or he may love the idea of recruiting in Texas...we just don't know. Only time will tell, but as with anything like this, it is safer to presume he is not coming, but that doesn't mean your logic is correct in arriving at that point emotionally.

 

[joebobb]

Bevo - No I am not him. While I am a big Horn fan, I just get sick of some of these pipe dream coaches like Saban and Meyer and Harbaugh going to Texas because its "Texas"

I am not saying we should not inquire about them, but to say our shit doesn't stink any more than Bama or Ohio State is just nuts.

I admit, I have no clue if Meyer would come to Texas, no inside info, but if I were a betting man, betting on what is in the public now, I would say, don't get our hopes up.

I just wish the conversation would focus on more attainable coaches at this time and whomever it is, rally around them as a fanbase. Believe me, I would love to see Saban or Harbaugh or even Meyer at Texas but I think we are wasting a lot of energy on an extreme longshot.

 

[rlacour2010]

What about the DC at Alabama? What is his name, Kirby Smart? If I remember correctly, he was mentioned in the past. Yet, he's not being mentioned, now, at all. Would he be considered Alabama's sloppy seconds?

 

[Fatherof5]

There is evidence to back up the claim. Is it the strongest evidence? No, it is not. Fact is I do not know Urban Meyer, I have not had a conversation with him, or do I have any hearsay evidence that he would make a jump.But this much is known. 1) Elite coaches do not jump from one elite program to another. It has not been done, not saying it cant happen but it really is not done.

2) Meyer has no connection to Texas, he does to Ohio.

3) He expressed his interest in Texas before he took Ohio State's position.

4) On the surface, there is not anything that Texas could offer that Ohio State cant.

5) He just made a jump 2 years ago, there have been no rumblings that he had been unhappy at OSU (there would have been some leaks out there if there were) and the FACT is, there is a lot of silence on that front.

Now with the facts that we know, and the evidence that exists, it is pretty evident to the educated person that Meyer is unlikely to come to Texas. If you think otherwise, I have some swampland in Florida to sell you. Now again, Urban Meyer may have a deep secret love with Texas football and it could have been the dream job he never spoke about to anyone before that I may not be aware of. So no we do not have all the facts that could be possibly known, but the preponderance of the evidence says he is not coming to Texas.

I agree. Seems like a reasonable argument to me.

 

[kbrannon]

I am sure he would come to Texas if the Money was big enough...but I really wouldn't want him here, doesn't have the best track record of leaving programs in good shape.

 

[austinite]

You really don't need to be an insider to know Urban is not coming to Texas. While he was very interested in Texas before Ohio State opened up, he no longer has the same interest.
Can you actually think of a coach who has left an elite program for another elite program? It just does not happen.

Don't mean to be picky but Texas is absolutely not an elite program. That's why we have been wanting to get rid of DeLossy (brain dead) Dudd and Mack Brown. An elite program doesn't get routed by non-elite programs to the tune of 42-21, or by other elite programs to the tune of 65-13 every three years (among other losses).

 

[joebobb]

There would hve to be more than money to get him there. 1) He makes plenty already 2) Ohio State has just about as deep of pockets, if these coaches are going to change it is about more than the money, the question is what is it?

Same applies with Saban.

There are only about 7-10 programs in the country that can compete with Texas when it comes to money. Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, Bama, Texas, USC, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Tennessee. None of the others are in the same league financially. Therefore, a coach coming to Texas from one of those schools is not leaving for the money. Yes, he would get more at Texas than his current school, but you have to figure (like bama did) the current school would match if needed.

 

[joebobb]

Texas is absolutely an elite program. Wins and losses are only part of the equation. To be an elite program you have to have the tradition that texas has, the resources to build and sustain a winner, and the ability to attract top level recruits. Texas has all of this, that is why they are elite. Yes, the last 4 years have sucked, but that can turn around quickly. Texas can attract a hot coach looking to take that step up. The Baylors of the world, OK State of the world cannot. That is the difference between an elite program and non elite.

Michigan has not been great on the field but they are still an elite program. Notre Dame is the same thing.