Has Casey Thompson reached is peak?

[Johnny Depp]

6 sacks? Not according to the stats. 

Yep, my bad. 3 vs LALA and 3 vs Arky. Those sacks make the running stats wonky, and don't count pressures.

 

[Johnny Depp]

And only 7 points.

Not sure I know more than 1 person who would call that adequate ?

The whole team laid an egg against Arky, it is unrealistic to heap the blame on the starting QB. 

If the subject here is has Casey peaked, that is another tale. Comparing stats of the 2 is interesting, and Casey played a few more games (patsies and ranked teams) along the way. The reality has set in against real competition in the 2nd half. I think we'd all take sacks over int's. Stat's as always don't tell the whole story.

 No one is talking about Casey's string of scoring possession's anymore.

In the last 2 games 10 scores vs 16 no scores. That is a misleading stat that doesn't account for other's like kickers and running backs.





NAME






Casey Thompson QB




Hudson Card QB




Total






 

















CMP


ATT


YDS


CMP%


AVG


LNG


TD


INT


SACK


SYL


RTG






89


137


1,274


65.0


9.3


75


15


5


10


-73


171.9




24


39


314


61.5


8.1


41


2


0


6


-27


146.1




113


176


1,588


64.2


9.0


75


17


5


16


-100


166.2










 

 

[Johnny Depp]

Hadn't been reading the news thread.










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Texas HC Steve Sarkisian says Casey Thompson is still the starter going forward. Why didn't he make a switch like he did with Hudson Card versus Arkansas?: "I think Casey has earned a little bit more of that right to work through some of those struggles.



 


11:11 AM · Oct 18, 2021·TweetDeck
 
 I'd think something like "we'll evaluate his injury and see at game time" might be prudent.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Collateral damage from poor play calling. By that standard Casey should be yanked for sure.

You are a total sham. Are you Card's dad or something?

We all saw the same thing. You've chosen to live in an alternative reality, however.

Card couldn't do anything in the time he had against Arkansas, which was more time than Thompson had. Facing the same team with the same players, Thompson led the offense to scores.

It could not have been more black and white. 

Its that simple. He wasn't injured. He wasn't sick. He didn't break up with his girlfriend the night before. He just didn't play up to the same standard as Thompson did when given the starting job. So he lost his job.

But yeah, I'd really like to know the back-story about why you're so defensive, protective, and promoting of Card. Why are you not the same way for K-Rob? or someone else? Again, are you in some way related to Card? 

 

[Johnny Depp]

You are a total sham. Are you Card's dad or something?

We all saw the same thing. You've chosen to live in an alternative reality, however.

Card couldn't do anything in the time he had against Arkansas, which was more time than Thompson had. Facing the same team with the same players, Thompson led the offense to scores.

It could not have been more black and white. 

Its that simple. He wasn't injured. He wasn't sick. He didn't break up with his girlfriend the night before. He just didn't play up to the same standard as Thompson did when given the starting job. So he lost his job.

But yeah, I'd really like to know the back-story about why you're so defensive, protective, and promoting of Card. Why are you not the same way for K-Rob? or someone else? Again, are you in some way related to Card? 

You base your entire evaluation on 3/4 of a game when the whole team was spanked. He deserves another fair shot after earning the job in pre season. Casey IS injured. It's madness.

No not related, but yes 3rd party connections. I can assure you we have never met and he has no idea who I am. What I am is a fan that knows in my heart that we have talent, not just in the QB dept. being wasted on the bench. The last 2 games were winnable. We could be in OK's seat right now. I'm sick of losing and have no problem speaking up about it. The native's are restless, not just me. Read the press, the coach is already under fire.

This thread is questioning Casey's position. As you well know, I have served up plenty of crap on the coaches and Bijan too. The QB is always the 1st discussion on forums.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

You base your entire evaluation on 3/4 of a game when the whole team was spanked. He deserves another fair shot after earning the job in pre season. Casey IS injured. It's madness.

No not related, but yes 3rd party connections. I can assure you we have never met and he has no idea who I am. What I am is a fan that knows in my heart that we have talent, not just in the QB dept. being wasted on the bench. The last 2 games were winnable. We could be in OK's seat right now. I'm sick of losing and have no problem speaking up about it. The native's are restless, not just me. Read the press, the coach is already under fire.

This thread is questioning Casey's position. As you well know, I have served up plenty of crap on the coaches and Bijan too. The QB is always the 1st discussion on forums.

The point is, the team played very well with Thompson in there. No amount of paragraphs will change that.

Remember when it was something like 18 out of 19 possessions ended up in scores under Thompson? I mean, no amount of anger you have can stop you from seeing that.

The coach is under fire from people who have little understanding of how the college game works. We were criticized for firing TH too early. But you're suggesting a few weeks, which only means we have people talking who really shouldn't be. Its so asinine, its not possible for discussion.

 

[Johnny Depp]

The point is, the team played very well with Thompson in there. No amount of paragraphs will change that.

Remember when it was something like 18 out of 19 possessions ended up in scores under Thompson? I mean, no amount of anger you have can stop you from seeing that.

The coach is under fire from people who have little understanding of how the college game works. We were criticized for firing TH too early. But you're suggesting a few weeks, which only means we have people talking who really shouldn't be. Its so asinine, its not possible for discussion.

Everyone is already laughing at us. No one is laughing at LSU firing a coach 2 years from a National Championship. 

You can't base all your decisions for the whole season based on 1 quarter of football in scrub time. They were 30 something points ahead at that point. You can't base it on 1 scrimmage either. We need to see a body of work, which we are now seeing on Casey. 

 It might be outside the box to change coaching seats so early. Never say never. I'd love to see Sark fix some problems, and soon. Apparently we only suck by a little.

 

[Hiwood]

Everyone is already laughing at us. No one is laughing at LSU firing a coach 2 years from a National Championship. 

You can't base all your decisions for the whole season based on 1 quarter of football in scrub time. They were 30 something points ahead at that point. You can't base it on 1 scrimmage either. We need to see a body of work, which we are now seeing on Casey. 

 It might be outside the box to change coaching seats so early. Never say never. I'd love to see Sark fix some problems, and soon. Apparently we only suck by a little.

WHO is laughing at us ? and comparing that to LSU , Coach O is getting fired for his off the field antics as well as what he has put on the field post Joe B era....

why are you so impatient with Sark, maybe he wasn't your first choice but six games into his tenure or six games into the CT QB era is not enough info to make an objective decision...

Sark  has been to the big time game more times in the last 5 years than Texas has been in the last 15 years. He know what it takes to prepare a team but you cant make chicken salad out of chickens**t...and right now he doesnt have the ingredients to make a good salad

 

[Johnny Depp]

WHO is laughing at us ? and comparing that to LSU , Coach O is getting fired for his off the field antics as well as what he has put on the field post Joe B era....

why are you so imIpatient with Sark, maybe he wasn't your first choice but six games into his tenure or six games into the CT QB era is not enough info to make an objective decision...

Sark  has been to the big time game more times in the last 5 years than Texas has been in the last 15 years. He know what it takes to prepare a team but you cant make chicken salad out of chickens**t...and right now he doesnt have the ingredients to make a good salad

That is a weak excuse for losing. We could have won both games easily, just a play or 2 either way changes everything.

When I see a failure to understand basic game management, after all his years in the league, I don't expect him to learn now.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Everyone is already laughing at us. No one is laughing at LSU firing a coach 2 years from a National Championship. 

Casey Thompson has the highest QB rating in the Big 12. And despite playing two fewer games than other Big 12 QBs, he has more TD passes than any other QB in the conference.

So yeah big boy, bench that man. smh

The operative word in your sentence above is "years." Not weeks, years.

If a guy who can't speak legible English can get years, then last year's creator of the record-setting national championship offense should get more than a few weeks.

I am literally embarrassed to be talking about this. It's commode-hugging stupid.

 

[Johnny Depp]

Casey Thompson has the highest QB rating in the Big 12. And despite playing two fewer games than other Big 12 QBs, he has more TD passes than any other QB in the conference.

So yeah big boy, bench that man. smh

The operative word in your sentence above is "years." Not weeks, years.

If a guy who can't speak legible English can get years, then last year's creator of the record-setting national championship offense should get more than a few weeks.

I am literally embarrassed to be talking about this. It's commode-hugging stupid.

Don't try and tell me Texas had the best QB or running back the last 2 weeks. QB rating against pansies nor scoring streaks means nothing. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Don't try and tell me Texas had the best QB or running back the last 2 weeks. QB rating against pansies nor scoring streaks means nothing. 

 

[Johnny Depp]

Real journalism, not homer excuse making.

https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/2021/10/18/texas-longhorns-football-steve-sarkisian-oklahoma-state-big-12-second-half-collapse-lose/

"It seemed that after he threw his first interception, which was returned for a touchdown, his confidence plummeted and any sign of the good quarterback we had once seen vanished. Thompson injured his thumb against Oklahoma, and started the Oklahoma State game with it wrapped, but later took the tape off. Not sure if it was his thumb that was the cause of his performance, but Thompson dropped multiple snaps, his throws lacked more zip than normal, and he was horrendously inaccurate completing just 55% of his passes.

Thompson has not completed more than 60% of his passes nor has he put up a QBR over 65 since the Texas Tech game.

Starting on offense like I already mentioned, Sarkisian insisted on passing when Thompson was in the midst of his worst career game rather than just handing the ball off in a multitude of ways to Robinson. Sarkisian also got Keilan Robinson involved for just one play on a jet sweep that went for 25 yards, and never game him another touch. When your quarterback can’t throw, and your offensive line couldn’t block long enough for him to throw even if he could make a good pass, you would think the coach would get creative in terms of moving the ball. In the second half of the last two games, it seems as if there is a lot more brakes than gas on offense.

The third and final factor was that Casey Thompson was clearly hurting or off his game, and the staff did not do a good enough job putting him position to succeed since they decided to keep him in. Thompson looked scared in the pocket, which is understandable, but why would Sarkisian not have him use his legs? I also question if he should have even been playing in the first place, as his throws were just missing the mark all game outside of a few. I don’t know if this means they should go back to Hudson Card, but maybe consider adjusting the play call to allow for Thompson to not have to believe in his offensive line made of paper."

Meanwhile, Sark doubles down on stupid and say's he's going with Casey..

 

[Soldierhorn]

Real journalism, not homer excuse making.

https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/2021/10/18/texas-longhorns-football-steve-sarkisian-oklahoma-state-big-12-second-half-collapse-lose/

"It seemed that after he threw his first interception, which was returned for a touchdown, his confidence plummeted and any sign of the good quarterback we had once seen vanished. Thompson injured his thumb against Oklahoma, and started the Oklahoma State game with it wrapped, but later took the tape off. Not sure if it was his thumb that was the cause of his performance, but Thompson dropped multiple snaps, his throws lacked more zip than normal, and he was horrendously inaccurate completing just 55% of his passes.

Thompson has not completed more than 60% of his passes nor has he put up a QBR over 65 since the Texas Tech game.

Starting on offense like I already mentioned, Sarkisian insisted on passing when Thompson was in the midst of his worst career game rather than just handing the ball off in a multitude of ways to Robinson. Sarkisian also got Keilan Robinson involved for just one play on a jet sweep that went for 25 yards, and never game him another touch. When your quarterback can’t throw, and your offensive line couldn’t block long enough for him to throw even if he could make a good pass, you would think the coach would get creative in terms of moving the ball. In the second half of the last two games, it seems as if there is a lot more brakes than gas on offense.

The third and final factor was that Casey Thompson was clearly hurting or off his game, and the staff did not do a good enough job putting him position to succeed since they decided to keep him in. Thompson looked scared in the pocket, which is understandable, but why would Sarkisian not have him use his legs? I also question if he should have even been playing in the first place, as his throws were just missing the mark all game outside of a few. I don’t know if this means they should go back to Hudson Card, but maybe consider adjusting the play call to allow for Thompson to not have to believe in his offensive line made of paper."

Meanwhile, Sark doubles down on stupid and say's he's going with Casey..

Good take.  The problem with posting stuff like this, whether it be original or a link, is that a lot of the fan base can not handle critical assessments and just resort to insults.  

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Good take.  The problem with posting stuff like this, whether it be original or a link, is that a lot of the fan base can not handle critical assessments and just resort to insults.  

I think it's BS. If it's "good journalism" as our panic queen claims, then why was the journalist seemingly afraid to state the entire list of facts?

It's hard to make someone look bad when they lead the conference in QB rating.

Presenting one side of the story is the chronic problem with today's media. When the story well is dry, this is what the unethical writer does. And there is, unfortunately, an audience out there who just eat it up because it serves their agenda.

I ran a newsroom for 20 years. This is a story I would have wadded up and thrown at the writer.

"When the QB can't throw" . . . this is a piss poor opinion that is easily debunked by the nearest chimpanzee. 

In one paragraph where he notes that Thompson was either hurt or off his game – he fails to mention a very important point – that Sark had more trust in Thompson, hurt, than he did with fresh legs Card.

Wow, how do you miss that?

 

[Soldierhorn]

I think it's BS. If it's "good journalism" as our panic queen claims, then why was the journalist seemingly afraid to state the entire list of facts?

It's hard to make someone look bad when they lead the conference in QB rating.

Presenting one side of the story is the chronic problem with today's media. When the story well is dry, this is what the unethical writer does. And there is, unfortunately, an audience out there who just eat it up because it serves their agenda.

Not trying to start something but did you just do the same thing?  Stats need context unless someone is trying to make a one-sided point.  CT's QB rating is trending down.  PFF doesnt even have him in the top 50 (57th I believe). They have Caleb Williams (0U), Max Duggan (TCU), Spencer Rattler (0U), & Tyler Shough (TTU) all in the top 50 with CW at #2 & MD at #4 (IIRC).  I take PFF stats like I take all stats: with a large grain of salt

I think I can read & decide for myself if something is unnecessarily critical or one-sided. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Not trying to start something but did you just do the same thing?  Stats need context unless someone is trying to make a one-sided point.  CT's QB rating is trending down.  PFF doesnt even have him in the top 50 (57th I believe). They have Caleb Williams (0U), Max Duggan (TCU), Spencer Rattler (0U), & Tyler Shough (TTU) all in the top 50 with CW at #2 & MD at #4 (IIRC).  I take PFF stats like I take all stats: with a large grain of salt

I think I can read & decide for myself if something is unnecessarily critical or one-sided. 

No, I didn't. I threw out one fact when I could've lined up dozens. The point was, I only needed to say that one fact to make you wonder why the writer never even mentioned it.

Any QB rating will trend down after consecutive weeks of OU and OSU. OSU had one of the better defenses we'll see this year.

But "trending down" really doesn't mean much when you don't, as you said, present context – such as mentioning why it may be trending down. Geez, Staubach trended down when he played the Steelers. Should Landry have benched him? lol

Thompson leads the conference in TD passes, despite not playing for the first 1.5 games. Tell me, what do you want your QB to do? Oh, score touchdowns.

I understand you can read. But in deciding for yourself, you never bothered to ask "where are all the other facts? why aren't they here?" You simply ran into a writer who manipulated your thinking rather than inform you. 

 

[tejasrulz]

Daddy or Uncle Card wont be happy until Card is the starter. Even when Casey was playing lights out, he posted several backhanded compliments about him. I'm not blocking his posts but I'll ignore most from here on out.

 

[Eastexhorn]

Be careful or hewill take his ball and go home!

 

[Johnny Depp]

Maybe it's my comprehension?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr/_/group/4


Total QBR - Big 12









RK


NAME






1


Gerry BohanonBAY




2


Max DugganTCU




3


Spencer RattlerOU




4


Brock PurdyISU




5


Spencer SandersOKST




6


Casey ThompsonTEX




7


Henry ColombiTTU




8


Jarret DoegeWVU




9


Jason BeanKU





















QBR


PAA


PLAYS


EPA


PASS


RUN


SACK


PEN


RAW






76.6


27.3


225


30.4


28.9


5.2


-3.9


0.2


77.9




74.1


22.9


222


29.6


30.4


5.6


-6.5


0.2


74.5




71.0


21.9


233


29.0


36.1


-1.2


-5.7


-0.3


72.6




64.5


16.8


213


23.3


26.0


0.5


-3.0


-0.2


69.5




62.8


6.6


206


15.1


14.1


3.2


-3.9


1.9


58.3




61.1


5.8


200


11.7


16.0


1.6


-6.1


0.3


57.4




60.7


6.1


153


8.5


11.5


-0.2


-2.8


0.1


60.2




57.1


5.5


231


13.7


23.7


-0.5


-9.2


-0.3


56.2




34.8


-6.2


221


3.3


6.8


1.7


-4.8


-0.2


42.8




Sorry, I couldn't get the columns to line up. 
GLOSSARY
 

• QBR:Adjusted Total Quarterback Rating, which values the quarterback on all play types on a 0-100 scale adjusted for the strength of opposing defenses faced.
  
• PAA:Number of points contributed by a quarterback, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of an average quarterback.
  
• PLAYS:Plays on which the QB has a non-zero expected points contribution. Includes most plays that are not handoffs.
  
• EPA:Total expected points added with low leverage plays, according to ESPN Win Probability model, down-weighted.
  
• PASS:Expected points added on pass attempts with low leverage plays down-weighted.
  
• RUN:Clutch-weighted expected points added through rushes
  
• SACK:Expected points added on sacks with low leverage plays down-weighted.
  
• PEN:Expected points added on penalties with low leverage plays down-weighted.
  
• RAW:Raw Total Quarterback Rating, which values quarterback on all play types on a 0-100 scale (not adjusted for opposing defenses faced)
  

• Season Leaders: To qualify, a player must play a minimum of 20 action plays per team game