Baylor running thread.

[Sirhornsalot]

lol once again your comments are baseless. There is nothing that Casey Horny has ever said publicly that would suggest he supports rape. What you are doing is you are taking your hate against Baylor and you are putting it in people who, to this point, don't deserve it. I hope that you are never in a situation that would call for someone to have forgiveness or fairness towards you because if karma is really a thing ,then you wouldn't get any of it. I'm sure that even as an adult you have made some mistakes or done some things that you either regret or no longer support. All I ask is that you use perspective whenever you try and analyze people's character because you are certainly sounding like someone who has none of it. What you people are doing by slandering this man all over message boards and twitter is simply wrong. He hasn't been accused of anything wrong. He hasbt been proved to have been involved in the wrongdoing, and he is a man with a remarkable reputation amougst his peers. That ought to mean something. It's okay to condemn behaviors and have questions , but until all the facts come out that man is innocent until proven guilty. People are trying to make this man a villain in the eyes of his own children and that serves no legitimate purpose. Let's talk with facts and not try and railroad the career of a quality control coach who very well may have done nothing wrong.

And I must note that I'm upset not only as a spectator, but as a Texan at the things that have been going on in Waco and so far based on what we know I wouldn't have any issue with giving their program the death penalty because 52 rapes by 31 players over a three year span is utterly f##ked up.

 

[PTA]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/leaked-art-briles-text-messages-paint-ugly-picture-of-baylor-tenure/ar-AAmznBY

Definitely an ugly picture.

 

[MikeV73]

Just read a horrible article about the girlfriend of an abusive CU football coach. Head coach appears to have blown off this woman, a supposed friend, after she let him know the situation. Woman ignored, received calls from an attorney representing this idiot trying to get her to drop charges. An alum attorney who represented CU athletes with arrests. Sounds like the HC tipped off the lawyer behind the victim's back to help his coach. Tried to link the article from Bleacher Report, but I am a tech moron.

 

[Randolph Duke]

lol once again your comments are baseless. There is nothing that Casey Horny has ever said publicly that would suggest he supports rape. What you are doing is you are taking your hate against Baylor and you are putting it in people who, to this point, don't deserve it. I hope that you are never in a situation that would call for someone to have forgiveness or fairness towards you because if karma is really a thing ,then you wouldn't get any of it. I'm sure that even as an adult you have made some mistakes or done some things that you either regret or no longer support. All I ask is that you use perspective whenever you try and analyze people's character because you are certainly sounding like someone who has none of it. What you people are doing by slandering this man all over message boards and twitter is simply wrong. He hasn't been accused of anything wrong. He hasbt been proved to have been involved in the wrongdoing, and he is a man with a remarkable reputation amougst his peers. That ought to mean something. It's okay to condemn behaviors and have questions , but until all the facts come out that man is innocent until proven guilty. People are trying to make this man a villain in the eyes of his own children and that serves no legitimate purpose. Let's talk with facts and not try and railroad the career of a quality control coach who very well may have done nothing wrong.

And I must note that I'm upset not only as a spectator, but as a Texan at the things that have been going on in Waco and so far based on what we know I wouldn't have any issue with giving their program the death penalty because 52 rapes by 31 players over a three year span is utterly f##ked up.

Nice wordplay, but my comments were never that Horny supports rape. My comments were that he seems indifferent to rape. Big difference.

Trust me, I have been in situations where I have been challenged to either risk my career and speak up, or express my support for the reprehensible actions of my boss. And I spoke up, lost my job and it had an incredibly adverse effect on my financial position and my career. But I asked the right questions, spoke up when I didn't get the right answers and got fired for following my sense of right and wrong. Don't bring your "mistakes, regrets and salvation" shit to me. The situation I was placed in blows the Baylor rape scandal out of the water. Don't preach ethics to me. Horny was, at the very least, willingly ignorant. To claim otherwise is to claim he is so clueless and ignorant that he has no business being on the UT staff.

People are asking Casey Horny to give us reason not to believe his support for an individual who appears to have acted in a despicable and reprehensible manner gives us an insight into Casey Horny’s sense of right and wrong, which is a matter of importance considering the fact he is in a leadership position in a program that is influencing the behavior of roughly 120 student athletes.

Casey Horny is on the record expressing his admiration for an individual he knew well and worked closely with. The overwhelming evidence is the individual Horny so deeply still admires acted in a horrendously despicable manner. Until Horny answers some very pointed questions, people are justified in assuming Casey Horny’s sense of right and wrong is as despicable as that of the person he admires so deeply.

What is going on is that Tom Herman is digging in his heels and refusing to allow Casey Horny be held accountable for his previous misguided support for Art Briles and to repudiate his support for Briles. That isn't going to fly with a lot of people. In Herman, we got a miniature version of Urban Meyer, but it is pretty clear what we got was a miniature version of Urban Meyer at Florida.

You may be ok with Horny, and seemingly Herman as well as Perrin tacitly indicating they understand exactly what Art Briles did at Baylor and they have no problem with what Art Briles did, because Art Briles won football games. That the UT program is seemingly becoming a scumbag program is reprehensible. That members of the UT staff with intimate knowledge of the Baylor program refuse to repudiate support for Art Briles and how he lead the Baylor program is appalling.

We all understand what Art Briles did at Baylor. But Horny, Perrin and Herman "understanding" what Briles did at Baylor and Horny's refusal to repudiate his earlier comments in support of Briles is simply unacceptable.

The stench of the Baylor rape scandal is getting ever more pungent inside Bellmont. That in itself is despicable. I have no doubt the stench is about to get much worse. All over a $65k/yr film guy. This is a stupid mistake by Tom Herman and shows Tom Herman is not ready to have "full control" over any major football program.

UT does not need to have a scumbag program to do well. If a scumbag program is all Herman knows how to build, then Tom Herman is the problem. Why Mike Perrin hasn't stepped in astounds me. It makes me wonder if Perrin, such as Herman and Horny, is indifferent to the culture of violence against women Art Briles allowed to exist, all for a couple of meaningless college football wins. This whole thing is bullshit, but it is the direction those controlling UT football have decided the program is going. Astounding and embarrassing.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Nice wordplay, but my comments were never that Horny supports rape. My comments were that he seems indifferent to rape. Big difference.

Now you're a liar. You've even accused people on this board, including myself, of supporting rape only because we disagree with the hysterics.

You can say what you want but I seriously doubt anyone here is as stupid as you're pretending they are.

And you'll likely get this thread locked up soon.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Nice wordplay, but my comments were never that Horny supports rape. My comments were that he seems indifferent to rape. Big difference.

Trust me, I have been in situations where I have been challenged to either risk my career and speak up, or express my support for the reprehensible actions of my boss. And I spoke up, lost my job and it had an incredibly adverse effect on my financial position and my career. But I asked the right questions, spoke up when I didn't get the right answers and got fired for following my sense of right and wrong. Don't bring your "mistakes, regrets and salvation" shit to me. The situation I was placed in blows the Baylor rape scandal out of the water. Don't preach ethics to me. Horny was, at the very least, willingly ignorant. To claim otherwise is to claim he is so clueless and ignorant that he has no business being on the UT staff.

People are asking Casey Horny to give us reason not to believe his support for an individual who appears to have acted in a despicable and reprehensible manner gives us an insight into Casey Horny’s sense of right and wrong, which is a matter of importance considering the fact he is in a leadership position in a program that is influencing the behavior of roughly 120 student athletes.

Casey Horny is on the record expressing his admiration for an individual he knew well and worked closely with. The overwhelming evidence is the individual Horny so deeply still admires acted in a horrendously despicable manner. Until Horny answers some very pointed questions, people are justified in assuming Casey Horny’s sense of right and wrong is as despicable as that of the person he admires so deeply.

What is going on is that Tom Herman is digging in his heels and refusing to allow Casey Horny be held accountable for his previous misguided support for Art Briles and to repudiate his support for Briles. That isn't going to fly with a lot of people. In Herman, we got a miniature version of Urban Meyer, but it is pretty clear what we got was a miniature version of Urban Meyer at Florida.

You may be ok with Horny, and seemingly Herman as well as Perrin tacitly indicating they understand what Art Briles did at Baylor and they have no problem with what Art Briles did, because Art Briles won football games. That the UT program is becoming a scumbag program and members of the staff with intimate knowledge of the Baylor program refuse to repudiate what is becoming more public every day is appalling.

We all get what Art Briles did at Baylor. But Horny, Perrin and Herman "understanding" what Briles did at Baylor and Horny's refusal to repudiate his earlier comments in support of Briles is simple unacceptable.

The stench of the Baylor rape scandal is getting ever more pungent inside Bellmont. That in itself is despicable. I have no doubt the stench is about to get much worse.

Twice on this board you have compared the situation at Baylor to Hitler and the Jews.

YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY! 

 

[Randolph Duke]

Twice on this board you have compared the situation at Baylor to Hitler and the Jews.

YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY! 

No, I was responding to someone who accused me of acting as if UT had hired Hitler. Get your facts right.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Now you're a liar. You've even accused people on this board, including myself, of supporting rape only because we disagree with the hysterics.

You can say what you want but I seriously doubt anyone here is as stupid as you're pretending they are.

And you'll likely get this thread locked up soon.

Let the thread get locked up. Let everyone run away from one of a scandal that is brewing within UT football.

I didn't say anyone supported rape. Supporting a rape apologist makes you indifferent to rape. Supporting something and being indifferent to it if it "gits yer team into the Chicken Sandwich Bowl" are two different things entirely.

Casey Horny has no business being on a college campus. His outspoken support for Art Briles and the culture of rape his perpetuated  is reprehensible. He was outspoken in his support of Briles and he utterly refuses to publicly comment past that outspoken support.

That Tom Herman is ok with Horny's unreserved support for Horny, and by extension, his comments supporting Briles is an embarrassment to the UT program.

Horny should have never been hired, he should have been cut loose when all this first erupted, and Horny, Herman and Perrin deserve all the shame coming their way for not handling this debacle properly.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

No, I was responding to someone who accused me of acting as if UT had hired Hitler. Get your facts right.

Read the last paragraph from a post of yours in another thread.

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Rotty22, on 12 Jan 2017 - 4:04 PM, said:

herman's going to spin it to his advantage and we're going to hear that spin.

by hiring this person, herman is inviting "the questions".  i'm sure he realized that when he considered and hired him.

If Tom Herman thinks he can "handle" the UT alumni by "spinning" bad decisions, he isn't going to last long enough to coach his first game. The UT alumni are not known from being ignorant rubes and hayseeds.

I am sure Perrin and Herman will turn a deaf ear to those who disagree with the hiring of someone who so strongly holds Art Briles in high esteem. But when the litigation starts in Waco and Art Briles begins to get dragged through the mud, people like Horny are going to have their judgement called into question even further and people like Tom Herman are going to be asked why he has someone with some misguided judge of character on his staff, mentoring young men. If any of the victims speak up and name Horny as being involved with any questionable behavior, Tom Herman is going to be asked what he was thinking by hiring Horny.

Tom Herman is essentially demanding to be allowed to assert his friendship with Horny over any considerations of the protecting reputation and brand of UT football. He will get Horny on his staff, but he will pay a price for doing so. No quality control coach is worth telling the alumni to F@#k off after only being on the job six weeks.

Tom Herman may not think what Art Briles allowed to happen on the Baylor campus was abhorrent and disgusting, and he may be just fine with people who think the culture of rape Art Briles helped perpetuate is just a part of having a winning college football program. But Tom Herman is an idiot for getting himself into this controversy. He should have steered as far away from involving himself in the Baylor rape fiasco as possible.

When the Baylor rape cases come to trial, what Herman has done will be akin to harboring Nazis after WWII who spoke out about what a great guy Hitler was.

 

 

[Randolph Duke]

I stand by my earlier comments. I find people who act as apologists for reprehensible behavior disgusting. I have no interest in debating the relative acceptability of rape or murder. Both are reprehensible. What Casey Horny signaled was his indifference to not just rape, but a culture of rape. How is Horny's indifference to a culture of rape not as disgusting as someone who is indifferent to a culture of mass murder?

My comment above was in consideration of this comment, referencing Hitler:

Bevostuntdouble, on 01 Feb 2017 - 4:26 PM, said:

Jesus Christ I hope so... never seen somebody that hadn't committed any "crimes" besides sending out some tweets be treated like such garbage. You'd think he hired hitler with how this was responded to.
 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I didn't say anyone supported rape. Supporting a rape apologist makes you indifferent to rape. Supporting something and being indifferent to it if it "gits yer team into the Chicken Sandwich Bowl" are two different things entirely.

Okay, it's not often that someone not only lies, but they clarify the lie in their next breath.

Whether you understand it or not, a rape apologist or being indifferent to rape in the face of rape – MEANS YOU HAVE HELPED RAPE. Therefore you are supporting rape. Just like not reporting crime helps insure there is more crime.

In your last sentence, you attempted to put words into my mouth. I haven't said squat about any bowl whatsoever or taking a coach just to get into a bowl. Horny being at UT doesn't get UT into a bowl. Good gawd.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I stand by my earlier comments. I find people who act as apologists for reprehensible behavior disgusting. I have no interest in debating the relative acceptability of rape or murder. Both are reprehensible. What Casey Horny signaled was his indifference to not just rape, but a culture of rape. How is Horny's indifference to a culture of rape not as disgusting as someone who is indifferent to a culture of mass murder?

My comment above was in consideration of this comment, referencing Hitler:

OMG, no it wasn't. The poster provided your entire post AND the post you were responding to.

You need your mouth washed out with soap.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Okay, it's not often that someone not only lies, but they clarify the lie in their next breath.

Whether you understand it or not, a rape apologist or being indifferent to rape in the face of rape – MEANS YOU HAVE HELPED RAPE. Therefore you are supporting rape. Just like not reporting crime helps insure there is more crime.

In your last sentence, you attempted to put words into my mouth. I haven't said squat about any bowl whatsoever or taking a coach just to get into a bowl. Horny being at UT doesn't get UT into a bowl. Good gawd.

There is no doubt in my mind that Casey Horny knew at least some of what was going on within the football program at Baylor. How could he not?

That even after knowing what the public knows now, Horny can't even express disappointment in Art Briles' conduct with the same vigor and energy he so publicly supported and defended Briles is telling. Casey Horny's opinion of Art Briles hasn't changed one bit. He still is an unavowed supporter of Art Briles and is not moved in the least in his opinion of Briles, even after the disgusting revelations of Briles' actions while Casey Horny was his direct report.

Casey Horny is an unapologetic supporter for someone who perpetuated a culture of rape on a college campus because the ends justified the means and the football team won a few more games because rapists were not only recruited, they were protected after committing felony rape. Anyone who is ok with that behavior needs to take a long look in the mirror, including Casey Horny and all of Casey Horny's supporters. 

If you support Casey Horny, and his unreserved support of Art Briles and what Briles did while at Baylor, then yes, you are a rape apologist. I'm sorry. Truth don't lie.

That UT has on its football staff an unreserved supporter of a coach who perpetuated a culture of rape, and someone who was on the staff of a program that perpetuated a culture of rape, is astounding to me. That UT alumni are militantly demanding such a disgusting individual remain on the UT football staff is equally astounding.

Casey Horny's refusal to clarify or retract his previous support for Art Briles tells me all I need to know about Casey Horny. He is despicable. And Tom Herman's lack of insistence that Horny either clarify his earlier statements or resign tells me Tom Herman is equally despicable.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I stand by my earlier comments. I find people who act as apologists for reprehensible behavior disgusting. I have no interest in debating the relative acceptability of rape or murder. Both are reprehensible. What Casey Horny signaled was his indifference to not just rape, but a culture of rape. How is Horny's indifference to a culture of rape not as disgusting as someone who is indifferent to a culture of mass murder?

My comment above was in consideration of this comment, referencing Hitler:

Here's your exact comment.

And, are for your Hitler comment, I would offer that anyone who sent out tweets claiming Adolph Hitler was the true victim of WWII, and not the six million Jews who died would be unqualified to join the UT football staff. Likewise, I don't want anyone on staff who believes murdering a six million Jews was unquestionably justified for any end result'.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

There is no doubt in my mind that Casey Horny knew at least some of what was going on within the football program at Baylor. How could he not?

But your mind really doesn't mean much here. We don't hold court in your mind. We don't form opinions based on the content of your mind. No, you have absolutely NO CLUE what Casey Horny knew or didn't know. 

You do not have the ability to know what is in another man's mind. It is impossible. But this does not stop you from pretending that you do.

That makes your entire position nothing but a farce.

That even after knowing what the public knows now, Horny can't even express disappointment in Art Briles' conduct with the same vigor and energy he so publicly supported and defended Briles is telling. Casey Horny's opinion of Art Briles hasn't changed one bit.

Wrong. He HAS expressed disappointment. I just know he has. And because it's in my mind, then its true. LOL

Thats the intellect I'm dealing with here. lol

He still is an unavowed supporter of Art Briles and is not moved in the least in his opinion of Briles, even after the disgusting revelations of Briles' actions while Casey Horny was his direct report.

According to who? You? What example have you provided to suggest your crazy claim is true? None, thats what. And you're simply not a source.

Casey Horny is an unapologetic supporter for someone who perpetuated a culture of rape on a college campus because the ends justified the means and the football team won a few more games because rapists were not only recruited, they were protected after committing felony rape. Anyone who is ok with that behavior needs to take a long look in the mirror, including Casey Horny and all of Casey Horny's supporters. 

You have no idea who Casey Horny is. If it wasn't for a news brief announcing his hiring, and his bio – your mouth would be spewing some other nonsense right now.

Yet, you got out and assassinate his character as if you can begin to prove any of it. You can't. Karma is going to have a party on you some day. I don't want to be around when it does.

If you support Casey Horny, and his unreserved support of Art Briles and what Briles did while at Baylor, then yes, you are a rape apologist. I'm sorry. Truth don't lie.

You don't get to be God. You don't really determine anything about me or anyone else here.  I don't support rape. And I don't need to come to you to find out if I do.

That UT alumni are militantly demanding such a disgusting individual remain on the UT football staff is equally astounding.

No, it's not. Look around, RD. You're alone here. What is astounding is how you've trashed another individual without remotely trying to support anything you've said – and haven't been banned or had your nose put in the Hornsports corner yet. Its astounding how you have tried to wrap members of this board into your accusation parade and haven't been banned for it.

IMO, you've achieved Monarch status here.

 

[PTA]

Let the thread get locked up.

or at least moved...

The Burnt Orange Board---->  Longhorn sports and recruiting.   <----

 

[Sirhornsalot]

or at least moved...

The Burnt Orange Board---->  Longhorn sports and recruiting.   <----

I think the thread has more value than the poster. Ban poster, save thread.

 

[dillohorn]

I ate a bologna sandwich for supper.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I think the thread has more value than the poster. Ban poster, save thread.

Agreed. RD brings no value. Hell, he spews this same crap over on ShaggyTexas and annoys the hell of out them. But the ironic thing is that they generally agree with him and he still manages to annoy them. They tell him to get he hell out, go away, and to stfu.  

 

[Brandon17]

I honestly don't even read anything RD post he's always gripping about something.