Bama fan speaks on Coach Saban Rumors

[orangeman01]

Actually sabans camp approached UT and I'm sure you will cry about proof so call up sexton's office and see if he will chat with you. And while you keep crying for absolute proof ( why are you even on a sports message board looking for this stuff?) let's use some common sense. As even the AP story pointed out after the hicks/hall meeting with saban hicks met with mack to discuss a potential retirement. Do you think someone of hicks stature ( and a good friend of Mack's) goes to him to inquire if he was ready to step down after speaking to sabans camp if he didn't have some real confidence in sabans interest?

Sorry buddy. We approached him. You can't even try to deny that. Do you think if they actually thought they could get Saban that they wouldn't have just let mack go or forced him to resign? Seriously, you will believe just about anything

 

[Baghorn]

Victory88
thank you for an interesting and worthwhile response

Jimmy Sexton is the agent for most of the power players these days. He represents "....

sorry, but tried to get a complete list to post, but is taking too much time, will post it soon. You won't believe all the coaches this guy represents!

I understand that Saban did lose money on investments, as did everyone since 2007 when he came to Alabama (the peak of the real estate market)

He was made whole on much of the loss, but the large group he was part of decided that there was some "hurt" to be absorbed by all members, as the rest of the country took it on the chin.

He hasn't asked for a raise while other coaches who haven't won 3 out the last 4 NC's have risen to his pay level

The group that owned his famous Georgia lake mansion investment sold it for much less than he wanted (not a Alabama issue, he bought before Alabama)

He wants to be made whole, and remain the highest paid coach in football and wants a less rigorous schedule in dealing with the booster clubs and all the numerous meetings (this is actually the MAIN issue). He wants to concentrate on his job and start spending more time at home now that he has the program established.

He wants assistant coaches to make many/much of the events that he previously had to do himself

THIS is why I wonder.....why would he take the Texas job? Texas would involve not only restarting the program but also all the myriad demands of the Longhorn Network, a WHOLE ADDITIONAL LAYER of work for him over his days at Alabama

does this make sense to you?

willieboy, the respectful nature of the way you've conducted yourself here on this board deserves tremendous praise. Thank you.

Here are the answers to your questions as plainly as I can give them....

He already had a lot of money when he got to Alabama in his nest egg

Alabama guys put him in those bad investments

Those bad investments crippled him financially pretty severely

The 'Bama guys had almost 6 years to correct this situation

They did not do it...might not have been capable of doing it

Nick reached out to Texas with his frustration over his financial situation despite having just had the most successful 10 year run of any coach in college football history

The Texas guys he reached out to were exactly the right guys

They said, hey Nick...we are the 800 pound gorilla of college football financially we need you desperately to maximize our brand which has been drug through the mud by Mack Brown's ego the past 4 years.

Nick says I need to make sure you take care of my guys

We offer up a budget for support staff unheard of in college football

We also pretty much assure Nick his net worth will be in the 9 figure range by the end of his time at Texas

Terry and her kids would all MUCH rather live in Austin

Nick would really like Steve Patterson to be the AD at Texas he works with....done

Mack needs to publicly retire as if its his decision....about to happen

Here we are

Enjoy

 

[alonghorn72]

I think Saban said "Texas would be the only school he'd consider leaving Alabama for". That doesn't mean he's interested in taking the job. And we approached Sexton.

Has it not been printed in MAJOR news outlets that Saban stated that? There is certainly smoke at a minimum. I don't think there is any doubt that there has been contact between Saban and Texas. That within itself is reason to believe there is at least a possibility. At this point the doubters know as much as the ones that are confirming it. Wait and see is all we can do....

 

[orangeman01]

willieboy, the respectful nature of the way you've conducted yourself here on this board deserves tremendous praise. Thank you.
Here are the answers to your questions as plainly as I can give them....

He already had a lot of money when he got to Alabama in his nest egg

Alabama guys put him in those bad investments

Those bad investments crippled him financially pretty severely

The 'Bama guys had almost 6 years to correct this situation

They did not do it...might not have been capable of doing it

Nick reached out to Texas with his frustration over his financial situation despite having just had the most successful 10 year run of any coach in college football history

The Texas guys he reached out to were exactly the right guys

They said, hey Nick...we are the 800 pound gorilla of college football financially we need you desperately to maximize our brand which has been drug through the mud by Mack Brown's ego the past 4 years.

Nick says I need to make sure you take care of my guys

We offer up a budget for support staff unheard of in college football

We also pretty much assure Nick his net worth will be in the 9 figure range by the end of his time at Texas

Terry and her kids would all MUCH rather live in Austin

Nick would really like Steve Patterson to be the AD at Texas he works with....done

Mack needs to publicly retire as if its his decision....about to happen

Here we are

Enjoy

First it was luck was gonna be the AD that we needed for Saban. Now it's Patterson. And Texas is going to guarantee he has a net worth of up to hundreds of millions is very very laughable. Terry and her kids?? They are adult children one of whom live in Austin. Where do you come up with this stuff? Please go place a bet that entitles your entire net worth. With what's coming out of your mouth you can't lose and you'd be raping vegas.

 

[orangeman01]

Has it not been printed in MAJOR news outlets that Saban stated that? There is certainly smoke at a minimum. I don't think there is any doubt that there has been contact between Saban and Texas. That within itself is reason to believe there is at least a possibility. At this point the doubters know as much as the ones that are confirming it. Wait and see is all we can do....

That is most definitely the case.there was some talk and it didn't go anywhere. And all we can do is wait but some would lead you to believe they know what a man's financial situation looks like when they don't have the slightest clue.its def a possibility but I think we had a better chance before this season started.

 

[DizzG]

Sorry buddy. We approached him. You can't even try to deny that. Do you think if they actually thought they could get Saban that they wouldn't have just let mack go or forced him to resign? Seriously, you will believe just about anything

The support for mack to go last year was at a different point than it is now. The point remains that hicks never would have brought up mack stepping down to mack without some pretty good confidence in the saban interest. You don't just even approach that subject with mack directly after that saban meeting all based on a dream. I'm starting to think you are either a bellmont employee ( prob soon fired) or just yanking our chain because nothing else makes sense at this point

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

willieboy, the respectful nature of the way you've conducted yourself here on this board deserves tremendous praise. Thank you.
Here are the answers to your questions as plainly as I can give them....

He already had a lot of money when he got to Alabama in his nest egg

Alabama guys put him in those bad investments

Those bad investments crippled him financially pretty severely

The 'Bama guys had almost 6 years to correct this situation

They did not do it...might not have been capable of doing it

Nick reached out to Texas with his frustration over his financial situation despite having just had the most successful 10 year run of any coach in college football history

The Texas guys he reached out to were exactly the right guys

They said, hey Nick...we are the 800 pound gorilla of college football financially we need you desperately to maximize our brand which has been drug through the mud by Mack Brown's ego the past 4 years.

Nick says I need to make sure you take care of my guys

We offer up a budget for support staff unheard of in college football

We also pretty much assure Nick his net worth will be in the 9 figure range by the end of his time at Texas

Terry and her kids would all MUCH rather live in Austin

Nick would really like Steve Patterson to be the AD at Texas he works with....done

Mack needs to publicly retire as if its his decision....about to happen

Here we are

Enjoy

Now you have got my attention..

 

[orangeman01]

The support for mack to go last year was at a different point than it is now. The point remains that hicks never would have brought up mack stepping down to mack without some pretty good confidence in the saban interest. You don't just even approach that subject with mack directly after that saban meeting all based on a dream. I'm starting to think you are either a bellmont employee ( prob soon fired) or just yanking our chain because nothing else makes sense at this point

Really?? I'm pretty sure Mack would've been gone if they knew they could get Saban.

 

[Thiggystyle]

Im sorry. But legitimate people usually have some evidence to back up there claims. Whats really getting old are people thinking they know that "Saban lost a lot of money" or that "Saban is 100% our next head coach". I call out people that make claims in order to take advantage of fellow UT fan's. The job isnt even open yet some think they know who our next coach will be or the financial situation is of anyone besides themselves. They dont owe me anything but dont be mad when you get called out because you cant provide anything besides "my friend that works in the AD" or "my friend that is friends with those in charge". if it was known that Saban is indeed the next UT coach i seriously doubt that the Vegas odds would be where they are. They arent ones that like to lose money. It would also be on EVERY MAJOR NETWORK. Its not and nothing substantial besides claims of "my friends friend said this". It must be easy to go thru life where you dont need evidence in order to believe something. put your money where your mouth is. place a sizable bet on Saban becoming the next head coach. Hell, you believe people that couldnt even get the AD prediction right. If some of their stories lined up Id be singing a different tune, but the fact is that NOTHING they have predicted is true. You need to reevaluate your sources cause they arent good.

You must not be a religious person....

 

[orangeman01]

You must not be a religious person....

lol.how you come up with that?

 

[WillieBoyBama]

willieboy, the respectful nature of the way you've conducted yourself here on this board deserves tremendous praise. Thank you.
He already had a lot of money when he got to Alabama in his nest egg

Alabama guys put him in those bad investments

The 'Bama guys had almost 6 years to correct this situation

They did not do it...might not have been capable of doing it

Nick reached out to Texas with his frustration over his financial situation despite having just had the most successful 10 year run of any coach in college football history

The Texas guys he reached out to were exactly the right guys

They said, hey Nick...we are the 800 pound gorilla of college football financially we need you desperately to maximize our brand which has been drug through the mud by Mack Brown's ego the past 4 years.

Nick says I need to make sure you take care of my guys

We offer up a budget for support staff unheard of in college football

We also pretty much assure Nick his net worth will be in the 9 figure range by the end of his time at Texas

Terry and her kids would all MUCH rather live in Austin

Nick would really like Steve Patterson to be the AD at Texas he works with....done

Mack needs to publicly retire as if its his decision....about to happen

Here we are

Enjoy

Baghorn

thank you for the compliment

I am new to message boards so cannot figure out how to address your points line by line

please give me time, this is new to me

If Alabama investors screwed him over and don't make him whole, then we are to blame for losing him. I think that sums it up.

My original point was that for someone whom you would not be able to pay more than $10 million a year, or $20 million for that matter, or whatever the number, that Alabama couldn't match it.

There is plenty of wealth in Alabama to match those type of numbers

And, so you know, Alabama staff is highest paid in the country, even the strength coach makes $300, 000. DC Kirby Smart makes $1.8 million alone

If you can get, get him

My point was, why Texas fans thought they could out spend Alabama for a head coach

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Orangeman01

I really don't know what your point or agenda is. Please enlighten me..

 

[WillieBoyBama]

you guys take care...........

I am signing off, time for bed

 

[HookemDTX]

First it was luck was gonna be the AD that we needed for Saban. Now it's Patterson. And Texas is going to guarantee he has a net worth of up to hundreds of millions is very very laughable. Terry and her kids?? They are adult children one of whom live in Austin. Where do you come up with this stuff? Please go place a bet that entitles your entire net worth. With what's coming out of your mouth you can't lose and you'd be raping vegas.

If /when this happens I just hope you are man enough to come in here just as strong with the praise as you are with this BS you are holding to now. My bet is you will fade away just like Mack Brown will.

 

[Baghorn]

Baghorn
thank you for the compliment

I am new to message boards so cannot figure out how to address your points line by line

please give me time, this is new to me

If Alabama investors screwed him over and don't make him whole, then we are to blame for losing him. I think that sums it up.

My original point was that for someone whom you would not be able to pay more than $10 million a year, or $20 million for that matter, or whatever the number, that Alabama couldn't match it.

There is plenty of wealth in Alabama to match those type of numbers

And, so you know, Alabama staff is highest paid in the country, even the strength coach makes $300, 000. DC Kirby Smart makes $1.8 million alone

If you can get, get him

My point was, why Texas fans thought they could out spend Alabama for a head coach

willieboy, this is in no way about the public compensation pay scale for the coach. You guys can match a few millions dollars year easily. What's far harder to match is $10's of millions of dollars. That's where Texas has a unique advantage. There are no natural industries and only 1 Fortune 500 company headquartered in Alabama. Texas has 52 Fortune 500 companies worth trillions of dollars headlined by many of the worlds largest oil & gas companies. The wealth of Texas alumni and Alabama alumni are on nowhere near the same level for this very reason even if you ignore the Michael Dell's in our portfolio. The intent here is not to put down Alabama...but to shine the light on the severe difference in resources. Hell, we've sucked for the past 3 years and we're still number one in revenue....despite massive apathy across the board due to the suckiness of the on the field product since we lost to you guys in the 2009 Rose Bowl.

 

[orangeman01]

To weed out people that might perpetuate rumors into making people think they are true. Do I want Saban in Austin? Hell yeah. Do I think it's realistic at this point to say that it's possible or even already set in motion? Not with what's being said and has been said. If the insiders had gotten the AD prediction correct I'd probably be a lot more optimistic but they were wrong and cover it up by saying Patterson was the guy all along Saban wanted instead. That only adds to my skepticism. I'd much rather approach this situation without burnt orange blinders on and take it one step at a time.why get my hopes up for something that may not happen? The job isn't even officially open but people seem to be 100% sure he's our new coach. If they are so sure you'd think they'd be going all-in in Vegas and take them to the woodshed with those odds. I'll change my tune once the job is open and UT has asked permission to speak with Saban.

 

[orangeman01]

If /when this happens I just hope you are man enough to come in here just as strong with the praise as you are with this BS you are holding to now. My bet is you will fade away just like Mack Brown will.

Lmao.im not the one saying it's 100% done. Nor have I never said that's there's no chance of him being our coach. Place a bet. You will win biggggg

 

[bayou vista horn]

this is one of the more interesting threads i've read. always love baghorn's stuff, and props to willie boy from bama. it's interesting seeing bama's view.

 

[DizzG]

To weed out people that might perpetuate rumors into making people think they are true. Do I want Saban in Austin? Hell yeah. Do I think it's realistic at this point to say that it's possible or even already set in motion? Not with what's being said and has been said. If the insiders had gotten the AD prediction correct I'd probably be a lot more optimistic but they were wrong and cover it up by saying Patterson was the guy all along Saban wanted instead. That only adds to my skepticism. I'd much rather approach this situation without burnt orange blinders on and take it one step at a time.why get my hopes up for something that may not happen? The job isn't even officially open but people seem to be 100% sure he's our new coach. If they are so sure you'd think they'd be going all-in in Vegas and take them to the woodshed with those odds. I'll change my tune once the job is open and UT has asked permission to speak with Saban.

you seem set calling out anyone who has inside info, and demand proof of anything they say. You seem to think no one can be connected to the program in any way and have real info. If you thinks actually wait until Mack has stepped down and UT forms an official search committee thats not how coaching hires work anymore. Stuff has been going on behind the scene for months now just like it had with AD. The formal process isnt the beginning

 

[RealtorHorn]

I appreciate Texas for all that it is, God Bless you all, not a troll or looking to start an argument, just a discussion and better understanding.
but logically, if Coach Saban needed another $5 million a year, or someone to pony up $30 million or even more to cover any "real estate losses"...do you really, truly believe that Bama wouldn't come up with that?

The U of A Chancellor (over all 3 branches of the UA system, Original Bama, plus the Medical/Dental/Optmometry center in Bham, and the AeroNautics, Engineering and Space center in Huntsville) has already said that Coach Saban was the BEST investment the U of A system EVER made.

And he is the ONLY boss Coach Saban reports to, no, not the AD or anybody else, just the Chancellor.

I grew up in Tuscaloosa, in a nice neighborhood. When Northern friends came to visit they were always shocked to see how wealthy we were. We didn't understand their shock. We don't get that the outside world thinks Alabama or Tuscaloosa is poor. You guys have no idea of the money in Tuscaloosa. It may not be Texas across the board, but trust me, we can easily pony up whatever is needed to keep Coach Saban happy. How much would ya'll pay him to leave Bama? $8 million, $10 million, $20 million?????? The public won't allow you guys to pay him an amount that we can't match. That is just the way it is. Yes, you could outbid us, if it got ridiculous ....but will the public allow you to pay a coach $30-50 million a year? Saban is already worth $75 million a year over and above any cost to the program due to his salary. You are not going to offer anything approaching that sum.

So, if Coach Saban leaves, it will be not over money. Just drop that angle.

If he leaves for another reason that we can't control, then I would say, "Coach Saban, God Bless you, thanks for all that you did, and Godspeed in your future endeavors"

I hope you guys get a great coach, it is better in the College Football world when Alabama, Texas, USC, Notre Dame, etc are all successful. The greatest feeling in the world is to know that you went up against the best and won.

William

Oil/Gas + Texas Real Estate > anything you got in Bama