A Troubling Trend

[echeese]

Disappointing to hear but this is the time of year that people are going to bail so some of that is normal. . . . 

Nor should a board be dominated by "one view". . . 

You likely know but haven't shared if there was a post departure commentary or reason given beyond. . . off season not worth $4.95 a month. . .

Of course Joe Wa is likely to blame. . . .dude is a straight up trouble maker. . . 

 

[streettopeschel]

My worries aren't about Charlie Strong's coaching. My concerns are at a deeper level. 

We were lead to believe Steve Patterson was going to bring change to UT athletics and I'm not seeing it. I understand he needed time to assess the situation, but he has had enough time and I'm not seeing anything positive. The bloat within Bellmont is largely untouched. Based on what we have seen in the past few weeks, the media relations team within Bellmont is absolutely not up to the job. They are allowing Charlie Strong's public image to be abused by an increasing number of sportswriters. Charlie's story is simply not getting out. Why not get some high school coaches who have positive things to say about Coach Strong be able to have their story heard? Why not have his two NFL first round defensive picks get some of their story put out there in the media? Why not do something, ANYTHING, to help counter the wave of bad press UT has been dealing with as of late. 

In my mind, Patterson has done nothing to inspire confidence. He has had enough time to start leading us to believe he is something other than a sleepy administrator unwilling to make bold moves and more interested in 3% growth above last year's numbers. Hell, he can't even figure out if beer will be sold at football games. Evidently, that is an overwhelming issue that has taken months or wrangling with and is still unsettled. I believe he is incapable of delivering leadership to the program. He is getting paid $1 million/year. For that money, he should be able to deliver SOMETHING tangible after six months on the job. 

I haven't thrown in the towel on Patterson without having wanted to see him do something to make me believe he is the right guy for the job. Texas needs change, it needs bold leadership, it needs innovative thinking and it needs to understand Steve Patterson is incapable of delivering any of those things. I was expecting leadership akin to George Patton. What we got in Steve Patterson was a status quo administrator, not a dynamic leader. Bill Powers screwed up in hiring Patterson.

george patton, eh? maybe patterson should go around slapping staffers in the face to rally your support.

Do you really have to post a unibomber-esque manifesto virtually every day on this same subject? it's boring and repetitive to the nth degree.

This board has turned into OB's little brother. and that's not a compliment.

 

[utisdabomb12]

george patton, eh? maybe patterson should go around slapping staffers in the face to rally your support.

Do you really have to post a unibomber-esque manifesto virtually every day on this same subject? it's boring and repetitive to the nth degree.

This board has turned into OB's little brother. and that's not a compliment.

Just a matter of time until the fire Augie and Barnes threads start. Hell, let's fire everyone. We really need to start with Elliot our volleyball coach. I mean he only made a final four run last year, that just isn't good enough. Time to fire that failure, am I right? 

 

[texasdobbs]

If anyone needs to be fired it would be some fans or some people who claim to be fans.... and hay aggie is hiring

 

[JimR]

Don't be out.  We need diversity.  Look, the times, they are a changing.  We need a little bit tolerance with regards to those of us we do not agree with all of the time.  I think that we will find that we will agree with each other more often than not.  I think that in these times when we find ourselves at odds, when the long summer doldrums have passed ... we will find that we have much more in common than we think now.  Please take this to heart from someone who knows absolutely nothing of which he speaks! 

bullshit. let him go. his post is the best news ever.

 

[utisdabomb12]

bullshit. let him go. his post is the best news ever.

Couldn't agree more. I think Randolph Duke is way off base but at least he isn't constantly negative. I've honestly never seen MBHornsfan make a positive comment. I saw him start a CWS thread after being called out for never being positive, but that's about it. What makes this forum great is it's the antithesis of OB and 247. If I wanted constant "fire Augie", "fire Patterson", "fire Barnes", "the world is melting down". and so on I would start an account on those premium boards. I'm all for different viewpoints, but there's a certain threshold when crossed that makes this very OBish. I'm still in shock over the meltdowns when Strong hasn't even coached a game yet. 

 

[Aaron Carrara]

8/30/2014 - North Texas

 

[JimR]

My worries aren't about Charlie Strong's coaching. My concerns are at a deeper level. 

We were lead to believe Steve Patterson was going to bring change to UT athletics and I'm not seeing it. I understand he needed time to assess the situation, but he has had enough time and I'm not seeing anything positive. The bloat within Bellmont is largely untouched. Based on what we have seen in the past few weeks, the media relations team within Bellmont is absolutely not up to the job. They are allowing Charlie Strong's public image to be abused by an increasing number of sportswriters. Charlie's story is simply not getting out. Why not get some high school coaches who have positive things to say about Coach Strong be able to have their story heard? Why not have his two NFL first round defensive picks get some of their story put out there in the media? Why not do something, ANYTHING, to help counter the wave of bad press UT has been dealing with as of late. 

In my mind, Patterson has done nothing to inspire confidence. He has had enough time to start leading us to believe he is something other than a sleepy administrator unwilling to make bold moves and more interested in 3% growth above last year's numbers. Hell, he can't even figure out if beer will be sold at football games. Evidently, that is an overwhelming issue that has taken months or wrangling with and is still unsettled. I believe he is incapable of delivering leadership to the program. He is getting paid $1 million/year. For that money, he should be able to deliver SOMETHING tangible after six months on the job. 

I haven't thrown in the towel on Patterson without having wanted to see him do something to make me believe he is the right guy for the job. Texas needs change, it needs bold leadership, it needs innovative thinking and it needs to understand Steve Patterson is incapable of delivering any of those things. I was expecting leadership akin to George Patton. What we got in Steve Patterson was a status quo administrator, not a dynamic leader. Bill Powers screwed up in hiring Patterson.

pedantic tiresome bullshit. if anyone wants to know how I really feel, PM me.

 

[BudreauReye]

I hear what you guys are saying.  I enjoy the back and forth for entertainment purposes, and I appreciate people who put a little effort into their posts - adds to the entertainment quotient a little I guess.  Randolf thinks about what he says, which is a good thing.  Whether I agree with him or not, at least I have to think through the issue at hand.  And as you say, at the least, he is not constantly negative. I just cannot understand folks coming from a place where they are negative all the time ... most of the topics we talk about on this forum are sports, for goodness sakes ... SPORTS!  Not, theology, or heaven forbid, POLITICS!  I think some folks just missed that day in school where they tried to teach us that negative thinking does not equate to critical thinking when one is presenting an argument.  I think that texasdobbs up there has the right idea.

But don't get me wrong, I do think that Randolf's post quoted by JimR just above this one, well, to me, to put is kindly, I think that it is just a tad out there.  Maybe, I am just not a "real" fan like some others, but it seems to me that it is just  a tad early to be doing a Chicken Little impersonation with regards to Steve Patterson or Charley Strong, even if it is just for arguments sake - but, then, that is just me.

 

[drgilbert]

I don't mind somebody playing devil's advocate, as long as they have facts to back up their opinion. Let's face it right now any of us have is an opinion. It just seems to me that it may be getting a little to personal. In a time where Longhorn football is struggling with its identity and the espn media is pooping on us that we need to all stick together. All for one and one for all.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

pedantic tiresome bullshit. if anyone wants to know how I really feel, PM me.

I'll pass. But thanks anyway.

 

[Santa Gertrudis]

I'm guessing the post was also directed at me. I have been more negative toward the program lately than I ever have been.

When Patterson came on board, we were promised change, but it seems we were mislead. That generates a lot of frustration. I have thrown in the towel on Steve Pattetson. I think hiring him was a colossal mistake. He seems to have no plan whatsoever to manage the image of the program in the media and as a result, the program is getting trashed my an increasing chorus of sportswriters.

For me, it's tough to believe the problems of the program are going to be fixed. As long as writers for ESPN openly talk about our head coach as a did appointment, it is tough to believe recruiting will turn around. Maybe one of the recruiting followers could give us some insight into what high school coaches are really saying about the program. Maybe a Friend of Bevo could let us know if Patterson is aware of the frustration of the fans or if he ever intends to deliver the change we were lead to believe he would lead.

The negatives that are being ignored by Steve Patterson are starting to take their toll. On the image of the program and on the fan base. Someone needs to start delivering leadership to the overall program. I don't see Patterson as being capable of doing it.

I completely agree with Randolph here.  There ISN'T much positive stuff going on right now with our football program.  We are getting dominated in recruiting by our hated rival who (from a football standpoint) really has made us look silly at every turn since leaving for the SEC.  We are now losing recruits to not only Baylor, but to TCU & Tech as well!  The question of whether or not Charlie Strong is the right guy to fix this program is legitimate & concerning.  Anyone convinced that Charlie Strong will be a success while coaching at Texas doesn't understand all of the jobs that the HC at the University of Texas must perform.  The guy not only must coach, he has to run a squeaky-clean program, graduate players, speak to alumni, speak to fans, raise money for the program, be a politician, be an ambassador to the program, etc.  And quite frankly, Strong's speaking skills have always been a concern when performing all of these functions of the UT Football Program.  His speaking skills are not even on an average speaking level.  I have spoken with Kevin Sumlin.  I have spoken with Art Briles.  I have spoken with Charlie Strong and Charlie Strong is nowhere near on the same level as an engaging personality as Sumlin or Birles.  Charlie Strong lacks having any charisma and quite honestly, down-right struggles when speaking to people.  That isn't a good quality to have when you are trying to convince young men and their parents on why they should come to your school and play football for you.  

Furthermore, the hard-line stance that Steve Patterson has taken with the Student-Athlete is a major concern.  It will be interesting to see how things go with Augie and his new demands.  If Patterson caves then it is "business as usual" at the 40 Acres- something NONE of us want!  Combine that with the dwindling status of the Big 12 and, well, people are negative about where the University of Texas' Athletic Department stands today.

Yes this board is negative right now.  That being said, this board is less negative than any of the other boards out there right now.  It is just a negative time to be a UT Football fan right now and until the season kicks off and we see a difference then what we have witnessed over the past 4 years then that negativity will continue- it has NOTHING to do with the board.  And if we have to only talk about rainbows, gumdrops, and unicorn farts instead of debating the reality of where our football program sits today then count me out.

SG

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

bullshit. let him go. his post is the best news ever.

Well this post drew me back in. Personal attacks again is that all you got? You can say what you want about my post but at least I do not call out posters and attack them but I guess I should so I can in the cool kid click.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Couldn't agree more. I think Randolph Duke is way off base but at least he isn't constantly negative. I've honestly never seen MBHornsfan make a positive comment. I saw him start a CWS thread after being called out for never being positive, but that's about it. What makes this forum great is it's the antithesis of OB and 247. If I wanted constant "fire Augie", "fire Patterson", "fire Barnes", "the world is melting down". and so on I would start an account on those premium boards. I'm all for different viewpoints, but there's a certain threshold when crossed that makes this very OBish. I'm still in shock over the meltdowns when Strong hasn't even coached a game yet.

Dude why do you keep calling me out personally? You don't know me.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

I completely agree with Randolph here. There ISN'T much positive stuff going on right now with our football program. We are getting dominated in recruiting by our hated rival who (from a football standpoint) really has made us look silly at every turn since leaving for the SEC. We are now losing recruits to not only Baylor, but to TCU & Tech as well! The concern over whether or not Charlie Strong is the right guy to fix this program is concerning. Anyone convinced that Charlie Strong will be a success while coaching at Texas doesn't understand all of the jobs that the HC at the University of Texas must perform. The guy not only must coach, he has to run a squeaky-clean program, graduate players, speak to alumni, speak to fans, raise money for the program, be a politician, be an ambassador to the program, etc. And quite frankly, Strong's speaking skills have always performing all of these functions of the UT Football Program. His speaking skills are not even on an average speaking level. I have spoken with Kevin Sumlin. I have spoken with Art Briles. I have spoken with Charlie Strong. Charlie Strong lacks having any charisma and quite honestly, down-right struggles when speaking to people. That isn't a good quality to have when you are trying to convince young men and their parents on why they should come to your school and play football for you.

Furthermore, the hard-line stance that Steve Patterson has taken with the Student-Athlete is a major concern. It will be interesting to see how things go with Augie and his new demands. If Patterson caves then it is "business as usual" at the 40 Acres- something NONE of us want! Combine that with the dwindling status of the Big 12 and, well, people are negative about where the University of Texas' Athletic Department stands today.

Yes this board is negative right now. That being said, this board is less negative than any of the other boards out there right now. It is just a negative time to be a UT Football fan right now and until the season kicks off and we see a difference then what we have witnessed over the past 4 years then that negativity will continue- it has NOTHING to do with the board. And if we have to only talk about rainbows, gumdrops, and unicorn farts instead of debating the reality of where our football program sits today then count me out.

SG

Uh oh

 

[utisdabomb12]

Dude why do you keep calling me out personally? You don't know me.

I don't know you personally, but I've seen your constant negativity on here and Twitter. 

Here's an idea. Let's wait to meltdown after Strong actually coaches a game. 

 

[echeese]

It's embarrassing to see people engage in behavior which drives paying members away . .. most of it juvenile "look at me" nonsense.    And for the record, absurd hyperbole is not "reality". . . .it's absurd hyperbole. . . .

I think some of these people have been following football for minutes not years, .. . .it's always slow in the off season. . . . 

But for some of you who obviously are not well versed in actual football. . . . we hired a GREAT football coach .. . .a man with a PROVEN track record of making players and programs better.     You want to discuss resumes. . .let's talk

Now I realize he might not be a "slick talking smooth cat" like Sumlin. . . but I've seen Sumlin's "results". . . ..I'll take CFS'. . . .

I'll also wager (notice how the bitch and moan crowd ignores this) that our recruiting class finishes a great deal higher than it is now, while aggie finishes lower. . . .

24/7 shows us with five four star recruits today and five 3 stars for a 3.5 average. . .actually much better than 8 teams "ranked" ahead of us. . .and showing us with a Top 10 class.    Sorry, not sure Top 10 is "sky is falling" material. . . ..

Rome wasn't built in a day. . .. . . but don't screw up the site. . . 

 

[BudreauReye]

Disappointing to hear but this is the time of year that people are going to bail so some of that is normal. . . . 

Nor should a board be dominated by "one view". . . 

You likely know but haven't shared if there was a post departure commentary or reason given beyond. . . off season not worth $4.95 a month. . .

Of course Joe Wa is likely to blame. . . .dude is a straight up trouble maker. . . 

While we are looking for black sheep to cull from the thundering herd, do not forget Juan Grande and his insufferable GIF's!  I swear that some of you are having way too much fun over there!  Get your official pissed off Cartman face on securely and GET WITH THE PROGRAM!

 

[Randolph Duke]

No program in college sports have more potential to not only perform on the field, but also to strengthen its brand than Texas. That is why it is so frustrating we don't have a media team worthy of the effort others are putting in to get the program turned around.

Basketball and baseball are all in good shape going into next season. Softball, volleyball, swimming and diving and both track programs are in good shape. Football is a work in progress, but the only two football programs last spring to announce 1000 APR were Texas and Louisville and we have some marquee games on the schedule this season. The problem is Bellmont itself.

The Travis Haney article should be handled by the media staff first thing this morning. They should get Wade Phillips on the phone to extend (or clarify) his comments about Coach Strong's presentation. If Charlie Strong needs media training, he should be getting at least some. Hell, he is the $5 million face of the program right now. Bellmont should be talking to other coaches who were there to see if their perception of Coach Strong's performance is consistent with what Haney purported to observe.

The best way to handle a reporter with an axe to grind is to expose their bias. I'm not sating Bellmont should be manipulating the popular perception of the program. If the product is good, it's image doesn't need to be manipulated. What can't be allowed is for detractors to negatively and unfairly manipulate the image of the program to further their agenda. Clay Travis has a strong pro-SEC agenda (how he got the Big 12 studio job on Fox college football broadcasts is beyond baffling). When those with agendas try to negatively manipulate the image of the program, it is Bellmont's absolute responsibility to see that more objective viewpoints are made available. They are failing miserably. Patterson seems to be ignorant or apathetic to what is a major problem with his program.

The SEC office is doing a great job of managing its image, in spite of their deep and persistent academic and character problems in almost every school. The Big 12 just hired a media team to manage its image. How can Patterson not be effectively managing the image of the UT program? We aren't talking rocket science here. Just get balanced and accurate info to various media outlets to ensure a balanced image of the program when the media trolls start trashing the program's image.

 

[streettopeschel]

I completely agree with Randolph here.  There ISN'T much positive stuff going on right now with our football program.  We are getting dominated in recruiting by our hated rival who (from a football standpoint) really has made us look silly at every turn since leaving for the SEC.  We are now losing recruits to not only Baylor, but to TCU & Tech as well!  The concern over whether or not Charlie Strong is the right guy to fix this program is concerning.  Anyone convinced that Charlie Strong will be a success while coaching at Texas doesn't understand all of the jobs that the HC at the University of Texas must perform.  The guy not only must coach, he has to run a squeaky-clean program, graduate players, speak to alumni, speak to fans, raise money for the program, be a politician, be an ambassador to the program, etc.  And quite frankly, Strong's speaking skills have always performing all of these functions of the UT Football Program.  His speaking skills are not even on an average speaking level.  I have spoken with Kevin Sumlin.  I have spoken with Art Briles.  I have spoken with Charlie Strong.  Charlie Strong lacks having any charisma and quite honestly, down-right struggles when speaking to people.  That isn't a good quality to have when you are trying to convince young men and their parents on why they should come to your school and play football for you.  

Furthermore, the hard-line stance that Steve Patterson has taken with the Student-Athlete is a major concern.  It will be interesting to see how things go with Augie and his new demands.  If Patterson caves then it is "business as usual" at the 40 Acres- something NONE of us want!  Combine that with the dwindling status of the Big 12 and, well, people are negative about where the University of Texas' Athletic Department stands today.

Yes this board is negative right now.  That being said, this board is less negative than any of the other boards out there right now.  It is just a negative time to be a UT Football fan right now and until the season kicks off and we see a difference then what we have witnessed over the past 4 years then that negativity will continue- it has NOTHING to do with the board.  And if we have to only talk about rainbows, gumdrops, and unicorn farts instead of debating the reality of where our football program sits today then count me out.

SG

lots of speculation on what strong/patterson may or may not do or be capable of. but that's fine. they may end up being valid.
to me this whole debate is more along the lines of 'that guy' we all know at work or in the neighborhood. that guy who always pisses-and-moans about his job, or his boss or his wife or kids. his concerns may be valid too. i just don't want to hear it every effing day and eventually i find other people to associate with.

and are unicorn farts a good thing ?