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Well, you have read my contentions,  Which ones do you choose to deny?

By-the-way, I'm not sure what you even mean by this comment:

in one breath you say its fair to expect improvement from year to year. Then remarkably, you go right into Swoopes without even blinking.

He is the leading scorer on the team - you don't consider that improving?  Your measuring stick must have zero tolerance to it.

Can anyone on this board deny that our OL was young and inexperienced?  How about our starting QB?  Other than Gray (who lost a step) our RB's?

How about our receivers?  The LB's?  the secondary?

The entire team is heavily populated with youngsters that have never played a down of D-1 football, until this year.  Good Lord!

I've never understood how really smart people simply blow off youth and inexperience as non-issues.   Who on this board believes that players are simply plug and play - regardless of age and experience?  Who?  Who thinks it is not a MAJOR issue?

Why the eagerness to demonize the coaches and the players?  Why the inability to cut the slightest amount of slack for ANYONE on the team?  Your comment about Swoopes is a prime example.

If you believe the inexperience was a factor - why not consider it and use it in your judgment?  And, if you don't believe it was a factor, then, IMO, you don't know football or you are intent on running a narrative.

Strong has struggled as a HC in a program like Texas and I'm not sure he can recover.   For one thing folks, that want him gone, won't give him an iota of slack next year.  I guarantee you if he only beats KU by 10 points, he will be crucified on boards like this one.  You know he will.

The question will be whether you will be in the crucifying mob or not.

I think everyone knows that Strong is mandated to win, at least, 9 games next year - or else.  I fully expect he will.  However, if he doesn't, then firing him should be a foregone conclusion.
You have been nothing but negative about the direction of the program this last year. The entire time i thought you were just trying to get a rise out of us. I now have to take a step back and acknowledge that you were right about how bad we were going to be and that you probably are right about next year. Funny thing is i didnt agree with you last year and i cant beleive its going to happen  next year. God i hope you are right though.

 
Is the TCU QB a freshman? No. And he is a helluva difference maker. Give us Boykin and we win Okie State and Texas Tech without a doubt, and I think we also beat Iowa State. 

 
The thing that helped TCU was having some upperclassmen leadership at key positions who had played, and continued to contribute. We had very little consistent, quality upperclassmen leadership. Which makes it hard for freshman. It's not an excuse, it's a fact. Our situation with the freshman is different than others. It's the way sports works. Anyone who has played college athletics realizes that it is just the way it is. Some freshman adapt quickly, some don't.

 
Thanks for the correction, but y'all get my point. TCU isn't using youth and inexperience as an excuse for failure.
You can understand there is a difference between playing a great deal of freshmen - and having freshmen as your best players and playing them at key positions?

Is TCU's QB a freshman? How about their LT? Guard? #1 WR? MLB? Both CB's?

Texas problem is not that they're playing too many young players - Texas problem is that their best players are freshmen. That's insane - and it's not how you win football games.

 
Well, you have read my contentions,  Which ones do you choose to deny?

By-the-way, I'm not sure what you even mean by this comment:

in one breath you say its fair to expect improvement from year to year. Then remarkably, you go right into Swoopes without even blinking.

He is the leading scorer on the team - you don't consider that improving?  Your measuring stick must have zero tolerance to it.

Can anyone on this board deny that our OL was young and inexperienced?  How about our starting QB?  Other than Gray (who lost a step) our RB's?

How about our receivers?  The LB's?  the secondary?

Swoopes' score total is not indicative of improvement, unless you consider William "The Fridge" Perry to be an equal improvement. Same concept, Swoopes is just lighter. Unfortunately, our offense has to be able to function before it gets to the red zone. That is where Swoopes has not improved.

I equate it with Blake Bell. Probably could have been a very good offensive guard.

I am in no way convinced we have an answer at QB. I like Heard, have pimped him my fair share in the past. But I'm concerned with his style vs injury and ability to minimize that.

I don't disagree with your other assessments. But it all stars and ends with the QB.

 
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You can understand there is a difference between playing a great deal of freshmen - and having freshmen as your best players and playing them at key positions?

Is TCU's QB a freshman? How about their LT? Guard? #1 WR? MLB? Both CB's?

Texas problem is not that they're playing too many young players - Texas problem is that their best players are freshmen. That's insane - and it's not how you win football games.

Agree, and TCU had a Boykin and Doctson as leaders.

 
TCU has started more freshmen than UT has this year, Doc. 
TCU had a Heisman candidate QB, a senior OL and an All American receiver.  Their skill position players were basically upper classmen.

Also, when they lost a big portion of their starters, including their starting QB, to drugs a few years ago, they went 4 - 7 - playing freshmen.

What position are you trying to defend with your straw horse? :P

 
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Swoopes' score total is not indicative of improvement, unless you consider William "The Fridge" Perry to be an equal improvement. Same concept, Swoopes is just lighter. Unfortunately, our offense has to be able to function before it gets to the red zone. That is where Swoopes has not improved.

Strangest spin I've read, but underscores my contention that you won't cut him an iota of slack.  He was not the starting QB this year, but if you can't see how he has improved over last year it's because you don't want to see it.  Especially with his running.  Swoopes contribution to the team has been fantastic.  That, my friend, is improvement.

I equate it with Blake Bell. Probably could have been a very good offensive guard.

Blake Bell wasn't never even close to achieving Swoopes accomplishments this year.

I am in no way convinced we have an answer at QB. I like Heard, have pimped him my fair share in the past. But I'm concerned with his style vs injury and ability to minimize that.

Yet, you were among those that clamored for him to start last year.  Not withstanding that, do you deny that Heard has outstanding athletic ability?  If you think he does, why write the youngster off by doubting him now?  You think he has hit a ceiling and cannot improve?  I know you are smarter than that.

All this being said I agree with your concern of him lasting through a season.  I have my doubts on that as well.  Last year, playing behind that turnstile line, he would have been killed.  That's why I said he should have hugged Swoopes every game that Tyrone survived to play again.

I don't disagree with your other assessments. But it all stars and ends with the QB.

Technically it starts and ends with the center, but that's just nit picking.  But, in reality, it starts and ends with the QB - assuming he has adequate blocking and good receivers.  Without that he is just a guy standing there with the ball in his hands, hoping he doesn't get killed.
 
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Strangest spin I've read, but underscores my contention that you won't cut him an iota of slack.  He was not the starting QB this year, but if you can't see how he has improved over last year it's because you don't want to see it.  Especially with his running.  Swoopes contribution to the team has been fantastic.  That, my friend, is improvement.
Tyrone has been running the ball better this year.  Last year, he was slow and methodical and couldnt outrun a DL.  This year he is making good cuts and outrunning LB's.  

As for passing, its pretty much the same as last year.  No improvement there.  His QBR is actually lower this year.

So in the end we have 2 running QB's.  

 
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TCU had a Heisman candidate QB, a senior OL and an All American receiver.  Their skill position players were basically upper classmen.

Also, when they lost a big portion of their starters, including their starting QB, to drugs a few years ago, they went 4 - 7 - playing freshmen.

What position are you trying to defend with your straw horse? :P
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Next year, the excuse will be "it takes time to implement a new offensive system". Bookmark this

 
Right

Next year, the excuse will be "it takes time to implement a new offensive system". Bookmark this
Truth.

I remember people saying Watson has done a marvelous job with Swoopes.  

Some suggested his struggles were growing pains because he was young.

Some said he needs 2 more years as a true Sophomore.  

It always baffled me, as to why some people think a Texas QB needs 3-4 years to develop when other schools are pretty much plug and play.  

I liken this to the perfect excuse.  You cant really argue a young QB does not need time but then Baylor, Tech, OSU, and TCU don't really have this problem.

 
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You have been nothing but negative about the direction of the program this last year. The entire time i thought you were just trying to get a rise out of us. I now have to take a step back and acknowledge that you were right about how bad we were going to be and that you probably are right about next year. Funny thing is i didnt agree with you last year and i cant beleive its going to happen  next year. God i hope you are right though.
LOL!  I have to believe you are being sarcastic.  No one that knows me will say I am a negative person and I certainly wasn't last year.

If you aren't being sarcastic then you have me confused with someone else.

 
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Next year, the excuse will be "it takes time to implement a new offensive system". Bookmark this
I'm very set in my position that I think Strong deserves another year, especially with a new offensive coordinator. I'm probably more adamant in that stance than just about anyone on this board as I truly believe better days are ahead. However, I'll say right now that if this isn't a winning team next year, then we'll need to move on. If they don't win at least 7-8 regular season games, I'll be done.

 
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Next year, the excuse will be "it takes time to implement a new offensive system". Bookmark this
Ha, ha!  Methinks you have an agenda and you won't, by God, be swayed from it.  Without knowing, I'm betting you are a Strong hater?

You were the one that threw up TCU as a straw man and now that facts have shot that down, you want to go on a different track? :)

C'mon, J.B., you are a terrific poster on here - don't let your frustration overcome your usual good sense.

I'm not happy with the way the program has gone either and Strong may very well have to go, but I believe he gets his 3rd year to prove what he has done is right.

I think Strong is a great recruiter but an abysmal judge of coaches.  This is his Achilles heel, IMO.

 
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I'm very set in my position that I think Strong deserves another year, especially with a new offensive coordinator. I'm probably more adamant in that stance than just about anyone on this board as I truly believe better days are ahead. However, I'll say right now that if this isn't a winning team next year, then we'll need to move on. If they don't win at least 7-8 regular season games, I'll be done.
I'm gonna hold you to that.

Look, I know that we're 7 points away from being 7-4; Cal, OSU, Tech. It's the Iowa State debacle that did it for me. Well-coached teams don't get shut out by them anywhere. Sorry

 
I'm gonna hold you to that.

Look, I know that we're 7 points away from being 7-4; Cal, OSU, Tech. It's the Iowa State debacle that did it for me. Well-coached teams don't get shut out by them anywhere. Sorry
I would like to argue your contention here...but I've got nothing.

 
I truly believe better days are ahead. 
When you are at the bottom, the only way is up.  Unless of course we end up 3-9 next year.  Hard to imagine considering we play Kansas every year.  

Yes Charlie needs a better Offensive staff, I am sure most agree.  I cant help but believe that we would have been .500 or better if Charlie hadn't lived in fantasy land thinking our offense was going to improve or had improved through entire off season under Watson after 2014.  We have seen it all year, how or why he couldn't is just scary.

This causes many alums to have doubts in his decision making or offensive know how.   

 
I'm betting you are a Strong hater?
C'mon man...

Why is it considered to be a hater when we want our beloved horns to do better than 4-8 and not get blown out by Iowa State?

Charlie said it himself.  "Texas shouldnt lose more than 6 games a year, and it wont happen again" - 2014.   

 
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C'mon man...

Why is it considered to be a hater when we want our beloved horns to do better than 4-8 and not get blown out by Iowa State?

Charlie said it himself.  "Texas shouldnt lose more than 6 games a year, and it wont happen again" - 2014.   
Dammit if shit happens!   SOS to date is 3rd.  This team was never going to be more than a 6 or 7 win team this year. 

I guess some would have still been on the fence had they lost to ISU 24-10.

 
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