Patterson on Playing aggy

[J.B. TexasEx]

What there is not is any kind of mandate from either side to play the game again, and as I've stated, here and elsewhere, that sits well with me.

The reality is it's easier for aggy to fit the UT game into their 4-game OCC schedule. We've only got 3. IMO, neither team "needs" the game right now. I'd prefer UT to schedule UTSA & UTEP if we want additional TX games. aggy has Rice, Lamar, & SMU to fall back on.

Will that change? Possibly, if both schools' attendances tank after a few more bad seasons.

 

[streettopeschel]

There is nothing wrong with my logic, except, obviously, to you. I don't see anybody else lining up to correct anything I've said. Read into what I've said anything you want to...it's a free country. As for what you have or haven't heard or read, that's on you. I'm not your social director. There are plenty of blogs, both UT's and A&M's, with comments pro and con about resuming the series. What there is not is any kind of mandate from either side to play the game again, and as I've stated, here and elsewhere, that sits well with me. Now...you're welcome to find all the shaky logic you want in anything I've posted here. I don't care to keep this going...it's wasted effort to try to hold a discussion with somebody who's made up his mind. Have a good life.

doesn't 'no mandate from either side' contradict 'all of a sudden Aggie is pushing to play'?
Struggling why you're struggling here. All I've done is quote you.

 

[doc longhorn]

Justice is an equal opportunity troller. You guys see realignment a bit differently from the way it actually played out.

Mike - you are an aggie, but I like you.  And I completely understand why you would defend the school you love.  I do the same about UT.

Like yourself, I mostly only know what I read in the papers and on the internet - regarding A&M's split with the Big 12.

I have heard the aggy version of why they left and I have heard the Aggie version as well.  I would be interested in hearing what YOU think actually went down.

Let me pre-warn you, however, that the LHN excuse will not fly as that announcement was well after bowtie had already negotiated with Slive and your board had made the decision to leave

The truth is, I wanted them to stay.  I think the Big 12 would be better for it as would the state of Texas.  Anther reason is because I wanted to stay close to my money - but that is another story.

 

[doc longhorn]

Before I get started talking about the aggies (by-the-way, I agree with everything coolhorn has said about them) let me tell you what I like about them.  Yes, you heard me, what I LIKE about them.

As a kid growing up in Austin, one of my biggest thrills was watching the Corps marching down Congress Ave.  And particularly that magnificent aggie band marching as well.  Say what you will, but IMO the A&M band is the best in the country - bar none.  Their precision is awesome and you know those kids have to practice a LOT.

Also, when I was growing up, A&M had no Greek organizations.  The Corps was its only fraternity and it was very tight knit.  In fact, the Corps WAS A&M and it's culture permeated throughout everything that A&M stood for.  Its honor code was strictly followed and was as admired as Strong's code of conduct.

But somewhere along the way, aggies became aggys and I believe that the University of Texas should shoulder 100% of the responsibility.  We are the reason for aggys and, because of us, a fine university devolved into what it is today.  As Pogo once said "We have met the enemy and he is us".

The University of Texas needs to quit pointing fingers at them and must stop deriding them as well.  They are our children and the product of our upbringing.  We raised them wrong and they have rebelled.  The house they were forced to grow up in was a house of abuse and their sense of self worth was destroyed.

Who can blame them for wanting to leave home and trying to find some self worth?  Who can blame them for accusing us of wrong doing and oppression?  They are right and the SEC, if nothing else, is a form of therapy for them.

EDIT:  I was wrong about the SEC.  Instead of aggy therapy they can be likened to the bad gang in the hood that our wayward children, in desperation, turned to.

It's time for UT to face the facts that we were bad parents and we are facing the consequences of it.

 

[streettopeschel]

Before I get started talking about the aggies (by-the-way, I agree with everything coolhorn has said about them) let me tell you what I like about them.  Yes, you heard me, what I LIKE about them.

As a kid growing up in Austin, one of my biggest thrills was watching the Corps marching down Congress Ave.  And particularly that magnificent aggie band marching as well.  Say what you will, but IMO the A&M band is the best in the country - bar none.  Their precision is awesome and you know those kids have to practice a LOT.

Also, when I was growing up, A&M had no Greek organizations.  The Corps was its only fraternity and it was very tight knit.  In fact, the Corps WAS A&M and it's culture permeated throughout everything that A&M stood for.  Its honor code was strictly followed and was as admired as Strong's code of conduct.

But somewhere along the way, aggies became aggys and I believe that the University of Texas should shoulder 100% of the responsibility.  We are the reason for aggys and, because of us, a fine university devolved into what it is today.  As Pogo once said "We have met the enemy and he is us".

The University of Texas needs to quit pointing fingers at them and must stop deriding them as well.  They are our children and the product of our upbringing.  We raised them wrong and they have rebelled.  The house they were forced to grow up in was a house of abuse and their sense of self worth was destroyed.

Who can blame them for wanting to leave home and trying to find some self worth?  Who can blame them for accusing us of wrong doing and oppression?  They are right and the SEC, if nothing else, is a form of therapy for them.

It's time for UT to face the facts that we were bad parents and we are facing the consequences of it.

i don't blame them. being little brother for a century-plus had to have sucked so they traded that role for the role of dorky middle schooler desperately trying to be liked by the 'cool' kids. at some point that will get old too.

but no...pointing fingers and deriding them will not cease. at least not on my watch.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

As a kid growing up in Austin, one of my biggest thrills was watching the Corps marching down Congress Ave.  And particularly that magnificent aggie band marching as well.  Say what you will, but IMO the A&M band is the best in the country - bar none.  Their precision is awesome and you know those kids have to practice a LOT.

Also, when I was growing up, A&M had no Greek organizations.  The Corps was its only fraternity and it was very tight knit.  In fact, the Corps WAS A&M and it's culture permeated throughout everything that A&M stood for.  Its honor code was strictly followed and was as admired as Strong's code of conduct.

Was it? Charley Moran

These days, aggy is a helluva lot more like UT than Ol' Army. 50k+ undergraduates with the corps representing < 5% of their student body. The reality is they haven't truly been army since letting in women and non-regs.

Why pretend to be something you're not? 

 

[doc longhorn]

Was it? Charley Moran

These days, aggy is a helluva lot more like UT than Ol' Army. 50k+ undergraduates with the corps representing < 5% of their student body. The reality is they haven't truly been army since letting in women and non-regs.

Why pretend to be something you're not? 

Ah, but you see that is the rub.  The Corps may be diminished but its culture lingers on.  The Old Army still runs that place and its ilk, like Gene Stallings, still dominates within its administration and its mind think.  And the hatred for UT never slackens.  The Old Army makes sure of this (see Fish camp).

The big misconception UT people have had is that TAMU is our "little brother".  Nothing could be further from the truth.  They are, in fact, our children - from the time our fore-fathers wrote the state constitution.  They are the OFFSPRING of the university of the state of Texas - it's clearly written in the constitution.  They have literally and figuratively sprung from our loins.  The ags have always understood this and they have chaffed against their harsh upbringing.

They wanted out from beneath our constraints and adult superiority.  They wanted to spread their wings and fly - free at last, free at last, free at last.

The tragedy is that we, in our maturity and adult knowledge, understand they are on the path to the penitentiary.  And there is nothing we can do about it except weep for our failure to raise them properly.

So what do parents do when their child has taken the path to obliteration?

We start another child.  UTSA anyone?

 

[MikeV73]

Ah, but you see that is the rub. The Corps may be diminished but its culture lingers on. The Old Army still runs that place and its ilk, like Gene Stallings, still dominates within its administration and its mind think. And the hatred for UT never slackens. The Old Army makes sure of this (see Fish camp).

The big misconception UT people have had is that TAMU is our "little brother". Nothing could be further from the truth. They are, in fact, our children - from the time our fore-fathers wrote the state constitution. They are the OFFSPRING of the university of the state of Texas - it's clearly written in the constitution. They have literally and figuratively sprung from our loins. The ags have always understood this and they have chaffed against their harsh upbringing.

They wanted out from beneath our contraints and adult superiority. They wanted to spread their wings and fly - free at last, free at last, free at last.

The tragedy is that we, in our maturity and adult knowledge, understand they are on the path to the penitentiary. And there is nothing we can do about it except weep for our failure to raise them properly.

So what do parents do when their child has taken the path to obliteration?

We start another child. UTSA anyone?

Anyone else throw up a little when they read the word aggie in the same sentence as "our loins"? Just checking.

 

[Bear19]

Since I have been alive, which is far too long, their honor code has never kept them from cheating in recruiting. As Casey Stengel or someone else said "you can look it up".

 

[Bear19]

And I have never considered them little brother. And never considered them my child although they are childlike. To me they're just plain ass weird.

 

[doc longhorn]

nm

 

[tejasrulz]

Respect your opinion Doc about the aggy band but I don't even think they are the best band in Texas let alone the nation. I was always a fan of the MOB with Texas' band as 2nd. The aggy band has also disrespected Memorial Field several times and unlike their field/stadium, it's a true memorial field/stadium.

As for aggy leaving, good riddance. They lied and then threw Texas under the bus as they left. Hell, even Baylor took our side against them so you know it had to be bad! Was Texas pure & clean? Probably not but Texas also wasn't the first school to consider leaving the Big XII. In fact, I believe they weren't even 2nd or 3rd to consider it.

Believe me, if aggy would have won that last game, there isn't one aggy alive who would want to play Texas again, ever. That game eats at their soul no matter how much they deny it.

Right now they're happy sucking Bama's tit, so let em!  $ec! $ec!

 

[doc longhorn]

how totally silly!  just what is so very significant about rice university... and yet we continue to play them???

Well, in the ultimate scheme of things, $$$$$, Rice can buy and sell TAMU.

 

[doc longhorn]

Respect your opinion Doc about the aggy band but I don't even think they are the best band in Texas let alone the nation. I was always a fan of the MOB with Texas' band as 2nd. The aggy band has also disrespected Memorial Field several times and unlike their field/stadium, it's a true memorial field/stadium.

As for aggy leaving, good riddance. They lied and then threw Texas under the bus as they left. Hell, even Baylor took our side against them so you know it had to be bad! Was Texas pure & clean? Probably not but Texas also wasn't the first school to consider leaving the Big XII. In fact, I believe they weren't even 2nd or 3rd to consider it.

Believe me, if aggy would have won that last game, there isn't one aggy alive who would want to play Texas again, ever. That game eats at their soul no matter how much they deny it.

Right now they're happy sucking Bama's tit, so let em!  $ec! $ec!

But you see, that is what children do.  They have tantrums and hissy fits.  And we have been oppressive parents.  Based on our history together, the Child Protective Service would have taken them from us years ago.  As parents we were abusive to the point of being sadistical.

The next time you see an ag you know, explain this to him and apologize for being a bad parent.  He will love your condescension, I assure you.