Question for the smart guys

[oldhorn2]

After looking at the crappy Defense played in the Big 12 I have to wonder....During fall camp while we were putting in the spread HUNH offense we were told that there was no time to coach the defense. They said that any corrections would be made in the film room. Then I think how damned crappy we are with fundamentals...i.e. tackling..wrong angles...cant get the schemes right...Maybe good spread HUNH offense and good defense are mutually exclusive. Then I look at the bad defense played by TT,OU, Baylor..even aTm and I have to wonder.

What say yall?

 

[83Dee]

I assume you are asking me... great question, this type offense seems to go hand in hand with bad defense.  But I don't know... sorry. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Well thanks to your thread title, I'm not able to participate in this discussion 

 

[UT1983]

Some of the defensive struggles may stem from the fact hurry up offenses by their very nature place the defense on the field more often that a deliberate offense such as what Kansas St had.  You give another team's offense enough chances and something bound to be good happens for them. 

IMHO, hurry offenses are not good if you don't score.  See the Kansas St game as a case in point.

 

[MikeV73]

After looking at the crappy Defense played in the Big 12 I have to wonder....During fall camp while we were putting in the spread HUNH offense we were told that there was no time to coach the defense. They said that any corrections would be made in the film room. Then I think how damned crappy we are with fundamentals...i.e. tackling..wrong angles...cant get the schemes right...Maybe good spread HUNH offense and good defense are mutually exclusive. Then I look at the bad defense played by TT,OU, Baylor..even aTm and I have to wonder.

What say yall?

I completely agree, have posted this sentiment on other threads. How come nobody on the coaching staff is as smart as us?

 

[oldhorn2]

Yes, I understand that by scoring fast causes the defense to get back out on the field, but that is not what I am talking about. I am wondering is during practice, the offense is demanding so much time that the coaches dont have time to work on technique with the defense. They said when this offense was being installed that the plays were going so fast that the defensive coaches couldnt correct the defenders. They said they would do all of that in the film room. Well...apparently you cant teach tackling in the film room

 

[dillohorn]

The time of possession in the 1st half was beyond horrid for the Horns. I don't think I've ever seen it that lopsided. 6 min and 23 sec.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

CFS really should reevaluate our HUNH offense with a defense this bad.

We're giving other teams too many opportunities to score and are losing time of possession badly.

 

[Bear19]

CFS really should reevaluate our HUNH offense with a defense this bad.

We're giving other teams too many opportunities to score and are losing time of possession badly.

Rather than reevaluate I wish he would resign.

 

[primal defense]

Figuring out the Universe is easier than stopping the spread offense and don't worry you longhorns from the 60's your not having a acid flashback.

 

[mctmatt]

Yes, I understand that by scoring fast causes the defense to get back out on the field, but that is not what I am talking about. I am wondering is during practice, the offense is demanding so much time that the coaches dont have time to work on technique with the defense. They said when this offense was being installed that the plays were going so fast that the defensive coaches couldnt correct the defenders. They said they would do all of that in the film room. Well...apparently you cant teach tackling in the film room

I think that is just an excuse, and just another shining example if true that Strong wasted an entire Spring not getting this Defense coached up.  That is on him and this style of offense is not to blame for us having a bad defense. When this style of offense execute and works the way it is suppose to then it becomes a thing of beauty. It is like Tom Brady and New England they just keep moving the ball all the way down the field and score. The offense becomes a defensive weapon as the defense gets a chance to rest when it executes . Alabama now plays fast that is the whole reason Saban went after Kiffin.  After Manziel gassed his team a few years back Saban realized the benefits of an offense that plays fast. 

 

[RickyFlair]

It does seem like the fast offense somehow effects the defense. It doesn't make much sense. I can't imagine they go team all practice. They must have position group work where they work on tackling, alignment, reads, or any opponent specific work. The defensive coaches only work on that side of the ball so it's not like the offensive scheme would limit their time. The complaint when Mack was here, especially by coach boom, was they never went 1's vs 1's in practice. I could see there being an adjustment if our D only went live against our O but surely they run a scout team to give a look of the next opponent. Long story short there really isn't a reason the defense would be effected but it does seem to with most teams. I couldn't say us in particular because jumping offsides 4 times on the opponents first drive and not being able to stay in your lane on a pass rush could probably be handled by saying "hey don't jump offsides" and "don't run out of your gap responsibility". That's kind of 7th grade concepts that would apply if you ran the wing t. I did read where an unnamed asst coach of an opponent said "when you see the talent on the field and watch what they do in a game it's unbelievable. They say they are coaching but I don't think that's possible".

 

[tejasrulz]

Question for the smart guys

You do realize this is a message board, right?

 

[CoachEmUp64]

Fact of the matter is once you get out of fall camp the 1 defense will rarely (probably never) go against the 1 offense. Maybe for a situational goal line type period or third and long period. But it does no good to go in practice against a defense you won't see in the game or an offense you won't see in the game. 

 

[Embrey]

Yes, I understand that by scoring fast causes the defense to get back out on the field, but that is not what I am talking about. I am wondering is during practice, the offense is demanding so much time that the coaches dont have time to work on technique with the defense. They said when this offense was being installed that the plays were going so fast that the defensive coaches couldnt correct the defenders. They said they would do all of that in the film room. Well...apparently you cant teach tackling in the film room

The offense most teams are running in the BIG XII are killing the defenses. As pointed out, even when the HUNH scores quickly it is almost as detrimental as if if goes 3 and out quickly. There is a physical aspect and there is also a psychologically negative on the defense. The players are learning through experience that giving up a TD is ok because the offense will get it back. That is an incorrect conclusion, by the way, and you see the players who in their hearts know they should be stopping the offense are having their spirit broken.

I think the reason why few teams have good defenses in the BIG XII is because it takes a huge commitment by the coaches and players to do it and a bunch of 2-deep talent.

Keys to stopping the Air Raid/Veer:

1. The opposing offense must not be able to run the ball.

2. Pressure and hit the QB (legally) as much as possible.

3. Tackle in space. By tackle I mean head across the bow, wrap up and either bring the offensive player down or, if you are not able, hold him up for the pursuing defenders.

4. Everybody pursues (gang tackling) within the discipline of their technique.

5. Attemping to strip the ball should be a discipline every player practices but should mostly be performed by the 2nd and subsequent defensive players who reach the player with the ball. First man HAS to wrap up.

6. Utilize the timeouts for the defense. Whether it is to allow your defense some much needed relief, to align the players properly or to insure they are all on the same page the retention of timeouts for the offense in this conference is mostly a waste.

These are things that should be ingrained in defenders before the season ever starts.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I think the reason why few teams have good defenses in the BIG XII is because it takes a huge commitment by the coaches and players to do it and a bunch of 2-deep talent.

Keys to stopping the Air Raid/Veer:

1. The opposing offense must not be able to run the ball.

2. Pressure and hit the QB (legally) as much as possible.

3. Tackle in space. By tackle I mean head across the bow, wrap up and either bring the offensive player down or, if you are not able, hold him up for the pursuing defenders.

4. Everybody pursues (gang tackling) within the discipline of their technique.

5. Attempting to strip the ball should be a discipline every player practices but should mostly be performed by the 2nd and subsequent defensive players who reach the player with the ball. First man HAS to wrap up.

6. Utilize the timeouts for the defense. Whether it is to allow your defense some much needed relief, to align the players properly or to insure they are all on the same page the retention of timeouts for the offense in this conference is mostly a waste.

These are things that should be ingrained in defenders before the season ever starts.

Exactly

Now, how many of these things does UT's defense execute consistently? Zero

 

[popdaddy]

I'm going to have to wrap some chicken wire around the TV before Saturday.

I'm pretty sure the UT "D" didn't rep a single day against the kst "O". I don't know WTF they do in practice but it was apparent Saturday vs kst, they don't rep plays vs the team offense coming up.

When you have DB's playing 7-10 yards off the kst receivers, Bill, fricking, Snyder creates a pass happy monster. When UT has players who don't understand QB draws on 3rd and 9, they haven't been coached properly.

I guess basic football doesn't carry over from high school stud to college freshman and sophomore.

Where is Manny Diaz when Texas his the floor of the dumpster? 

 

[MikeV73]

I'm going to have to wrap some chicken wire around the TV before Saturday.

I'm pretty sure the UT "D" didn't rep a single day against the kst "O". I don't know WTF they do in practice but it was apparent Saturday vs kst, they don't rep plays vs the team offense coming up.

When you have DB's playing 7-10 yards off the kst receivers, Bill, fricking, Snyder creates a pass happy monster. When UT has players who don't understand QB draws on 3rd and 9, they haven't been coached properly.

I guess basic football doesn't carry over from high school stud to college freshman and sophomore.

Where is Manny Diaz when Texas his the floor of the dumpster?

Manny is probably happy as hell he has a good job at his alma mater Miami and is not in Austin!

 

[LHornjack]

I think that people are looking with too much of a closed mind in today's world of Offense and Defense.  People are looking for statistical domination based on past error mindsets.

What we need from our defense is the right stop or stops at the right time. Which give you both the opportunity and the route to win a game.

The best example I can think of is  our 2005 defense which was a good defense was shredded by USC in the 2nd half of the Championship game....but when the game was on the line and they had to have a stop, they did exactly that.

Bama and Saban teams have at times been shredded for yardage and points at times...but there D made the right amount of stops at the right time.

There have been many games we were completely embarrassed on D, but there have also been many times with the right D stop we could have won under CSl.

That is what I want from our D....