Baylor and Big XII will both suffer

[mctmatt]

My thoughts are the worse is yet to come for Baylor's Football program as more things come to light and with the events of the Basketball program under Dave Bliss several years ago I seem to remember the NCAA telling the whole Athletic Program that they better keep it clean going forward or else.  So with all this coming to light about the football program and I am sure an NCAA investigation will follow Baylor could very well become irrelevant again in the next few years in football. This cannot be good for the Big XII as it is struggling to strengthen its image as it is in danger of being over taken by the ACC .  As much as I love hearing the Baylor fans cry ,  I also know this hurts us too! 

 

[coolhorn]

If UT was going to remain a member of the Big XII, yeah, there could be some negatives from Baylor falling off of the map.  UT isn't gonna remain a member of the Big XII any longer than is absolutely necessary, so I don't really see how the Baylor situation impacts UT at all.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I don't think so. Baylor was an anomaly. The Big 12 existed and thrived throughout the years Baylor was an also ran.

Powers rise, powers fall. Baylor falls, Texas rises. 

 

[java]

I, too, do not think it matters.

Texas is already a national brand. As long as we continue to schedule good out of conference opponents, our sos will remain strong. We simply need to win. Baylor has also given the country a great backdrop for Strong's Five Core Values.

Texas is in a strong position. (No pun intended.) OU shouldn't suffer, either. The other conference schools probably won't be so lucky.

Hook 'em!

 

[mctmatt]

We had a different conference when Baylor was at the bottom.  Back then we had Missouri, a much better Kansas State team, Leach had Tech playing well, Texas was a top ten team ,  With Texas still trying to rebuild our conference is ranked probably number 5 out of the power 5 conferences .  Baylor 's and TCU's rescent success were two of our saving grace this bowl season. You want as many conference teams as possible in the top 15 or at least 4 teams from your conference at the start of the season and after the bowl season. Right now those teams were Oklahoma , Baylor, and TCU.  

 

[Sirhornsalot]

We had a different conference when Baylor was at the bottom.  Back then we had Missouri, a much better Kansas State team, Leach had Tech playing well, Texas was a top ten team ,  With Texas still trying to rebuild our conference is ranked probably number 5 out of the power 5 conferences .  Baylor 's and TCU's rescent success were two of our saving grace this bowl season. You want as many conference teams as possible in the top 15 or at least 4 teams from your conference at the start of the season and after the bowl season. Right now those teams were Oklahoma , Baylor, and TCU.  

I think you're too focused on the conference aspect.

In 2005, there was Texas and there was everybody else. We won the conference title game 70-3.

There was Texas and 11 little sisters of the poor.

BTW, Mizzou was also an anomoly. Chase Daniel and then back to their seat behind Nebraska. Back then, Snyder retired and KSU almost went back to being KSU before Snyder returned.

I don't care what the other teams in our conference do or don't do. As long as Texas does well, who cares what TCU does?

 

[mctmatt]

I think you're too focused on the conference aspect.

In 2005, there was Texas and there was everybody else. We won the conference title game 70-3.

There was Texas and 11 little sisters of the poor.

BTW, Mizzou was also an anomoly. Chase Daniel and then back to their seat behind Nebraska. Back then, Snyder retired and KSU almost went back to being KSU before Snyder returned.

I don't care what the other teams in our conference do or don't do. As long as Texas does well, who cares what TCU does?

I think you have me turning the corner Sirhornsalot as I had more time to think about the above statement and your right as I keep wanting to tie the success of Texasa to the success of the Big XII which is the wrong focus...I have to say your right!!!  Just HOOK'EM HORNS if we take care of business on the field we will be fine! 

 

[echeese]

I think you're too focused on the conference aspect.

In 2005, there was Texas and there was everybody else. We won the conference title game 70-3.

There was Texas and 11 little sisters of the poor.

BTW, Mizzou was also an anomoly. Chase Daniel and then back to their seat behind Nebraska. Back then, Snyder retired and KSU almost went back to being KSU before Snyder returned.

I don't care what the other teams in our conference do or don't do. As long as Texas does well, who cares what TCU does?

2005 was largely an anomaly. . . . .generally speaking (since it was founded) the BigXII has been one of the toughest conferences top to bottom  . . .certainly we have back slid a bit of late but we still had 2 Top 10 teams and 3 Top 15.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

2005 was largely an anomaly. . . . .generally speaking (since it was founded) the BigXII has been one of the toughest conferences top to bottom  . . .certainly we have back slid a bit of late but we still had 2 Top 10 teams and 3 Top 15.

I agree that it was, but only because of Mack Brown. 2005 showed the potential of Texas. We should and can be on that level almost every year . . . with the right coach. We're a Bama waiting to happen.

 

[echeese]

I agree that it was, but only because of Mack Brown. 2005 showed the potential of Texas. We should and can be on that level almost every year . . . with the right coach. We're a Bama waiting to happen.

Even with DKR in the 60's. . . .we had 3 Natty's and 3 back to back to back 6-4 seasons.

 

[dillohorn]

I've read on some of the BU football forums and some posters see Briles back at the helm there after a cooling off period.. Some others see his son taking over in a matter of months. Just sick.

 

[ah-blong]

it's not out of the question that this whole thing blows up big time.  baylor is obstinately refusing to recognize their error just exactly as smu did.  smu would never have gotten the death penalty had they not essentially announced that they had no intention of following ncaa rules.  there isn't a whit's difference now between the two situations.

if baylor gets shut down for a time, the only two programs to have ever suffered the ncaa death penalty will have been texas religious schools.  that doesn't bode well for other texas religious schools, though that's not fair.

we may be witnessing a watershed moment in college football.

 

[Rotty22]

I think you're too focused on the conference aspect.

In 2005, there was Texas and there was everybody else. We won the conference title game 70-3.

There was Texas and 11 little sisters of the poor.

BTW, Mizzou was also an anomoly. Chase Daniel and then back to their seat behind Nebraska. Back then, Snyder retired and KSU almost went back to being KSU before Snyder returned.

I don't care what the other teams in our conference do or don't do. As long as Texas does well, who cares what TCU does?

i care what the other teams do in the conference.  i want them to do well and to be top ranked teams; as long as we beat them and are ranked higher.  given this, the perspective of others outside the conference is that the big12 is a tough conference.  now, all i hear is the big12 is a weak conference.  you can't argue with that when our conference teams lose all the time.

it's always a good thing to have your conference winning OOC games.

 

[streettopeschel]

Until we quit losing 7-games a season, the strength/weakness of the conference is pretty irrelevant.

 

[NLeininger]

ou made the playoffs with a loss to 5-7 Texas. If Texas or ou ends the season with 1 loss or less they are going to be in the playoffs, unless there are 4 undefeated teams.

The Big 12 is fine, and the $30.4M payout we just got kinda shows it. I think the biggest take away from the Big 12 meetings was ESPN/Fox are out of the tier 3 conference network building, which makes the ACC much more easier to poach.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

ou made the playoffs with a loss to 5-7 Texas. If Texas or ou ends the season with 1 loss or less they are going to be in the playoffs, unless there are 4 undefeated teams.

The Big 12 is fine, and the $30.4M payout we just got kinda shows it. I think the biggest take away from the Big 12 meetings was ESPN/Fox are out of the tier 3 conference network building, which makes the ACC much more easier to poach.

But...but...SI's Peter Thamel says, "an ACC Network is imminent". Why this is so - when ESPN already owns their T3 rights - is a mystery to everyone but him. 

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