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***Texas vs Tulane Official Game 3 Thread***

That's because top 100 recruits are somewhat worthless now. 

See Vanderbilt in '15. They had 5 top 100 recruits, I think all 5 were drafted and signed. See Florida in '15, I think they had 3 top 100 recruits and all 3 were drafted and signed. 

The examples you used are actually why Texas got in a little trouble. From what I recall in 12, Bean/Dean/Edwards/Gonzales/Hawkins/Helmink/Mathisen all signed and never made it to campus. Same thing in 11, I think Bell/Boardman/Bundy/Dean/Swihart all signed and never made it campus. 

College baseball recruiting is a different animal. You don't want the truly elite prospects because they will never step foot on campus. That's why the above rankings are distorted. Texas finishing around 15 is more like a top 10 class because a lot of the top tier recruits don't make it to campus. 

Augie and company actually adjusted after '11 and '12, because they needed to. Half our classes weren't making it to campus. 
What you say certainly makes sense. I, mistakenly as it turned it out, was assuming that these numbers represented signees who actually showed up on campus and played.

And you're right. Top 100 recruits are definitely somewhat worthless now. 

 
One of the challenges of long-time fans of UT have is that they don't realize the depths of what utisdabomb and NorthTexasGolfer are saying. 

Getting a kid to campus over the lure of being taken in the MLB draft are slim. We don't lose too many kids to other teams via recruiting, (think about in football where a kid chooses OU over Texas or the like.)  We have, in the recent past, (as dabomb talked about,) lost kids to the draft.  When the staff changed their approach to go and get players that were outside of the top 100, that made a big difference. 

Back in the day of Texas Baseball dominance, there were not nearly the scholarship limits.  There were also not too many kids that bolted for the majors (or minors as it were,) in lieu of pursing a 4-year stint at a college.  Add to that the changes in the baseball, the bats and the pitchers being even stronger than in years gone by, (top to bottom of the entire staff) and I think you see that not only has recruiting had to change, but the game itself has changed immensely. 

 
Sports is a results oriented business and even though there are long term baseball fans which remember the glory days of UT baseball and will continue to support the program, "new" supporters won't follow a team that is mediocre.  UT baseball isn't in the top 3 in the state of Texas as TCU, Texas A&M and Houston have passed them by and depending on how you feel about Texas Tech, Dallas Baptist and Rice, maybe UT keeps falling down the list.

 
Sports is a results oriented business and even though there are long term baseball fans which remember the glory days of UT baseball and will continue to support the program, "new" supporters won't follow a team that is mediocre.  UT baseball isn't in the top 3 in the state of Texas as TCU, Texas A&M and Houston have passed them by and depending on how you feel about Texas Tech, Dallas Baptist and Rice, maybe UT keeps falling down the list.
I don't discount this at all. 

 
All I'm going to say is Tim Tadlock took the tortilla hurlers of the South plains to a CWS. I still think Texas should go after him when a change is made.

 
One of the challenges of long-time fans of UT have is that they don't realize the depths of what utisdabomb and NorthTexasGolfer are saying.

Getting a kid to campus over the lure of being taken in the MLB draft are slim. We don't lose too many kids to other teams via recruiting, (think about in football where a kid chooses OU over Texas or the like.) We have, in the recent past, (as dabomb talked about,) lost kids to the draft. When the staff changed their approach to go and get players that were outside of the top 100, that made a big difference.

Back in the day of Texas Baseball dominance, there were not nearly the scholarship limits. There were also not too many kids that bolted for the majors (or minors as it were,) in lieu of pursing a 4-year stint at a college. Add to that the changes in the baseball, the bats and the pitchers being even stronger than in years gone by, (top to bottom of the entire staff) and I think you see that not only has recruiting had to change, but the game itself has changed immensely.
JoeyAll teams face those same obstacles. And the kids we are getting are not beating the kids other teams are getting. We're getting the wrong damn kids! (Talent wise)

Well shit I just violated what I said above about stepping away from this.

 
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Joey

All teams face those same obstacles. And the kids we are getting are not beating the kids other teams are getting. We're getting the wrong damn kids! (Talent wise)

Well shit I just violated what I said above about stepping away from this.
Which, in my opinion, is why you see far more parity in college baseball now than you did before.

TT, TCU, UH, etc. were not in the CWS before the new schollie rules, BBCOR bats, etc.  Those things have leveled the playing field considerably.  

And I don't hold you hopping back into the discussion against you.  :)

 
"And I don't hold you hopping back into the discussion against you."

Well I do. It gives me heartburn.

 
And how does parity mean that we can't even get in the regional. Much less top 25.

We are not on parity. We are behind.

 
And how does parity mean that we can't even get in the regional. Much less top 25.

We are not on parity. We are behind.
Parity was referencing collegiate baseball as a whole. 

 
Parity was referencing collegiate baseball as a whole.
But you used it as a way to explain our current problems. The rules are the same for everybody. Parity means everyone is doing about the same, which is not accurate.

 
And how does parity mean that we can't even get in the regional. Much less top 25.

We are not on parity. We are behind.
agreed. Parity isn't the reason we don't have so much as a second place conference finish in the last 4 years. Anybody think Year 5 will be different?
The last 4 years, 64 regional hosts have been awarded, none in Austin. Anybody think we won't be looking at 0-80 come this postseason?

There are teams in this age of parity consistently ranked and hosting Regionals. We ain't one of them.

 
One of the challenges of long-time fans of UT have is that they don't realize the depths of what utisdabomb and NorthTexasGolfer are saying. 

Getting a kid to campus over the lure of being taken in the MLB draft are slim. We don't lose too many kids to other teams via recruiting, (think about in football where a kid chooses OU over Texas or the like.)  We have, in the recent past, (as dabomb talked about,) lost kids to the draft.  When the staff changed their approach to go and get players that were outside of the top 100, that made a big difference. 

Back in the day of Texas Baseball dominance, there were not nearly the scholarship limits.  There were also not too many kids that bolted for the majors (or minors as it were,) in lieu of pursing a 4-year stint at a college.  Add to that the changes in the baseball, the bats and the pitchers being even stronger than in years gone by, (top to bottom of the entire staff) and I think you see that not only has recruiting had to change, but the game itself has changed immensely. 

Which, in my opinion, is why you see far more parity in college baseball now than you did before.

TT, TCU, UH, etc. were not in the CWS before the new schollie rules, BBCOR bats, etc.  Those things have leveled the playing field considerably.  

And I don't hold you hopping back into the discussion against you.  :)

But you used it as a way to explain our current problems. The rules are the same for everybody. Parity means everyone is doing about the same, which is not accurate.
Actually I didn't use it as a way to explain our current issues.  I said, back in the day, we didn't lose many kids to the majors.  I said that the game itself has changed, and that has created more parity.  Let me help you understand my use of parity: more teams that traditionally had less, now have equal or better players and this, along with the changes in the game, (no more gorilla ball and stronger/bigger pitchers,) brings the pack closer together.  That's why you're seeing teams like Missouri St, VCU, Dallas Baptist, College of Charleston, Wright St, Louisiana Lafayette and UNC Wilmington discussed on a more regular basis in rankings and CWS than ever before.  The pool of baseball players coming out of HS that also play on clubs is greater than it's ever been.  The talent is off the charts.  Go watch a club game over the summer.  These kids can play some ball.  They're smart players.  We are recruiting at a high level.  What is going on in the UT players' heads right now is a mystery.  I'm sure there are folks higher up in the baseball chain at Texas that are wondering that very thing.  

Bear, I feel that you are not going to be satisfied with anything I say until you hear "yeah, we suck and we need to be where we were in the glory days and there's no excuse that we don't fix it."  I'm not going to say that. That's not me.  I try to stay level around here, without pumping too much sunshine, nor slinging too much mud. 

I understand that the landscape has changed over the last 10 years.

I understand that the way Texas, (and every other school for that matter,) recruits players has changed. 

I understand that this team is struggling mightily with basic defense and relief pitching, areas that were supposed to be strengths coming into the season.

I understand that you are not happy with what you're seeing on a game-to-game basis, and you want to see it changed.

Honestly, I don't think you could plug in a different coach right now and get a significantly different outcome.  I think the bottom line is that the kids need to play to their abilities and figure out what they want out of wearing the TEXAS jersey.  The coaching staff has drastically changed how they recruit, what type of players they recruit and how they approach the game. 

I'm not saying you have to buy into what I'm telling you, but I'm not going to be sucked into the bashing for the sake of bashing, and getting angry about something that I can't change.  This team is what it is right now, take it or leave it.  I'm going to continue to support the team and staff.

All said, sorry I can't provide you with what you want to hear.  I don't have the answer.  I don't know that anyone does.  We just have to let it play out.

 
Joey

I'm not bashing anybody and I'm not mad at anybody. Especially you. I'm just stating the facts as I see it. We have come back to the pack more than the pack has advanced. And I agree with you,changing coaches won't change a damn thing with this team. We have to bring in better players.

If you do not think we are being out-recruited by everyone around us then you and I have an impasse that we're not going to solve.

And if you agree we are being out-recruited then we have no argument.

i'm not sure if you're stating all those points above as a reason we are being out recruited or as evidence that we are not being out recruited.

It seems to me you are saying that your points above reflect why we are being out-recruited and we just can't do anything about it.I know that's not what you mean but that's the end result of your argument. Such and such has changed and we just have to live with it. We don't. The different bats, scholarship limits, etc. certainly all affect the way you do things. But it doesn't change the fact that we have to recruit better players if we are going to win more games.

I'm going to pull for this team to win just as hard as you are.i'm just not afraid to say I don't think they're good enough to win as many as I want them to. And if they prove me wrong I'll have a beer. And if they don't I will have a beer.

My life won't change either way.

 
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