Strong Wednesday Presser

[Hiphopopotamos]

Article from Mike Finger at San Antonio Express regarding Strong and the rumors and his press conference:

snippet:

It doesn’t stop the rumors.

Maybe there’s some truth in them. If there isn’t, maybe nothing Strong says can make them go away. But even so, he should have tried Wednesday.

He should have said he didn’t subject himself to the hardship of cleaning up an entitled locker room and dismissing nine players for nothing. He should have said he didn’t break his back for two years laying groundwork only to let someone else swoop in and live in his mansion.

He should have said he didn’t promise Malik Jefferson, Holton Hill, Davante Davis, Anthony Wheeler and John Burt that they were going to be part of something special, only to walk out on them after a year. He should have said he didn’t wait 27 years to become a head coach, and four more to get the job of his dreams, only to spend the rest of his life wondering if he gave up too soon.

People might have believed that.

mfinger@express-news.net

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/mike_finger/article/Strong-has-big-reason-to-stay-at-Texas-6642483.php?t=f79b25e939a2c336e3

 

[TeamMayhall]

Fool me once....

Media Circus

 

[Sirhornsalot]

A couple of notes to quell the hysteria.

1. Saban and Texas will never speak to one another again, unless Texas plays Alabama or whatever school Saban happens to be coaching.

2. There is a desired target and discussions have already taken place.

3. For those asking why Charlie would walk away. . . once again, this is not a choice. He's being "accommodated."

4. No one will remember much about Charlie and Texas two years from now. (in response to the reputation-killer idea)

5. The way I was told, CS needs to win out to come back in 2016. Laugh if you want, but not impossible. We beat OU. Why not Baylor?

 

[TeamMayhall]

[Tweet = https://twitter.com/kbohls/status/667426545611513862]

 

[TexExSpur]

A couple of notes to quell the hysteria.

1. Saban and Texas will never speak to one another again, unless Texas plays Alabama or whatever school Saban happens to be coaching.

2. There is a desired target and discussions have already taken place.

3. For those asking why Charlie would walk away. . . once again, this is not a choice. He's being "accommodated."

4. No one will remember much about Charlie and Texas two years from now. (in response to the reputation-killer idea)

5. The way I was told, CS needs to win out to come back in 2016. Laugh if you want, but not impossible. We beat OU. Why not Baylor?

So, per your talking head.  The administration is out of the loop, a few BMD's are going to accommodate Strong to walk away and only 6-6 will save his job....

If this goes down in today's world of media, there's not a coach out there that will trust this shit show or the backers...

The way I was told?  You were either told or you weren't.  Which is it... 

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

A couple of notes to quell the hysteria.

1. Saban and Texas will never speak to one another again, unless Texas plays Alabama or whatever school Saban happens to be coaching.

2. There is a desired target and discussions have already taken place.

3. For those asking why Charlie would walk away. . . once again, this is not a choice. He's being "accommodated."

4. No one will remember much about Charlie and Texas two years from now. (in response to the reputation-killer idea)

5. The way I was told, CS needs to win out to come back in 2016. Laugh if you want, but not impossible. We beat OU. Why not Baylor?

You think this isn't going to be brought up everytime Strong is a candidate for another job?  You think his disastrous stint (assuming he is 'accomodated' this year) isn't going to be constantly referenced everytime a blue-blood program fires a coach?  Not to mention Strong is going to have to deal with it everytime he wakes up in the morning and wonders if he gave up on Malik, or Williams, or Vahe or Boyd or Davis too soon.

Perrin and Fenves are either going to fire him or they aren't - if they're not, then I think there is about a 0% chance Strong walks away - regardless of what a BMD says.  If they aren't going to fire him then its 100% Charlies decision.  I don't believe for a second that this is being handled wholely outside of the UT Athletics and administration by some rogue BMD's who have a desire to bring in their own coach.

You've certainly got every right to report on everything that gets told to you - and I feel comfortable calling 'BS' where I see fit.  This isn't anything personal - so please don't take it that way - I just don't believe what others are telling you.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

So, per your talking head.  The administration is out of the loop, a few BMD's are going to accommodate Strong to walk away and only 6-6 will save his job....

If this goes down in today's world of media, there's not a coach out there that will trust this shit show or the backers...

The way I was told?  You were either told or you weren't.  Which is it... 

Just an observation, but I did not read in SHA's post that the administration is out of the loop. 

I also think, that if this were to go down as described, that there are many coaches who would jump at the opportunity to replace a coach who just went 4-8 (assuming that happens) at the University of Texas. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

You think this isn't going to be brought up everytime Strong is a candidate for another job?  You think his disastrous stint (assuming he is 'accomodated' this year) isn't going to be constantly referenced everytime a blue-blood program fires a coach?  Not to mention Strong is going to have to deal with it everytime he wakes up in the morning and wonders if he gave up on Malik, or Williams, or Vahe or Boyd or Davis too soon.

Perrin and Fenves are either going to fire him or they aren't - if they're not, then I think there is about a 0% chance Strong walks away - regardless of what a BMD says.  If they aren't going to fire him then its 100% Charlies decision.  I don't believe for a second that this is being handled wholely outside of the UT Athletics and administration by some rogue BMD's who have a desire to bring in their own coach.

You've certainly got every right to report on everything that gets told to you - and I feel comfortable calling 'BS' where I see fit.  This isn't anything personal - so please don't take it that way - I just don't believe what others are telling you.

As you say, Perrin and Fenves are either going to fire him or they are't. And like you, I don't believe that this is being handled wholely outside of the UT Athletics and administration. But as I noted in my above post, I did not read in SHA's post that he said that it was. 

 

[TexExSpur]

Just an observation, but I did not read in SHA's post that the administration is out of the loop. 

I also think, that if this were to go down as described, that there are many coaches who would jump at the opportunity to replace a coach who just went 4-8 (assuming that happens) at the University of Texas. 

If they in fact give him their full support as I have been told they do, they are out of the loop.

Too bad they turned the ball over 5 times in WV or they would have to win 7 to keep his job...  That's how I read this BS.

 

[gmcc]

I don't believe some of us read carefully what other posters actually say.  We read with our mind already set as to what we think they are saying.  I read responses to some of

Sirhornsalot's post and wonder how the responder could come to their conclusions.  He gets accused of saying things he didn't say and others demanding his source.  I believe if I were he,  I could quickly stop sharing any info. Some time back, during recruiting season, more than one of us asked that people post Texas related info. even if it could not be substantiated at that time- just make sure it is stated as rumor, not fact.  Many on this site are stating what they have heard - please don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

So, per your talking head.  The administration is out of the loop, a few BMD's are going to accommodate Strong to walk away and only 6-6 will save his job....

If this goes down in today's world of media, there's not a coach out there that will trust this shit show or the backers...

The way I was told?  You were either told or you weren't.  Which is it... 

The administration is not out of the loop. But what, exactly, were you expecting them to say?

I don't know that 6-6 can save his job. That is me speculating and knowing that human nature tends to have people change their minds when things begin going favorably and in a promising way.

You may be right and I would tend to agree about the job reputation thing.

One can say something. And then one can say something a certain way which influences the meaning. Thats what it is.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

You think this isn't going to be brought up everytime Strong is a candidate for another job?  You think his disastrous stint (assuming he is 'accomodated' this year) isn't going to be constantly referenced everytime a blue-blood program fires a coach?  Not to mention Strong is going to have to deal with it everytime he wakes up in the morning and wonders if he gave up on Malik, or Williams, or Vahe or Boyd or Davis too soon.

Perrin and Fenves are either going to fire him or they aren't - if they're not, then I think there is about a 0% chance Strong walks away - regardless of what a BMD says.  If they aren't going to fire him then its 100% Charlies decision.  I don't believe for a second that this is being handled wholely outside of the UT Athletics and administration by some rogue BMD's who have a desire to bring in their own coach.

You've certainly got every right to report on everything that gets told to you - and I feel comfortable calling 'BS' where I see fit.  This isn't anything personal - so please don't take it that way - I just don't believe what others are telling you.

Maybe it will. So what? What are YOU going to pay attention to? What he's doing at that point and the rest of his career? Or some two-year window that can easily be called a bad marriage?

Perrin and Fenves are not going to fire him.

You're free to think what you want on chances. Have you ever had double-digit millions waved in your face? lol I haven't either.

You're going to believe whatever you want. You're obviously upset about this and seemingly are getting ticked off at me. You work this out however you please.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

I don't believe some of us read carefully what other posters actually say.  We read with our mind already set as to what we think they are saying.  I read responses to some of

Sirhornsalot's post and wonder how the responder could come to their conclusions.  He gets accused of saying things he didn't say and others demanding his source.  I believe if I were he,  I could quickly stop sharing any info. Some time back, during recruiting season, more than one of us asked that people post Texas related info. even if it could not be substantiated at that time- just make sure it is stated as rumor, not fact.  Many on this site are stating what they have heard - please don't shoot the messenger.

He also gets credit for saying things he didn't say too.  Much of the insider information that is shared is so incredibly vague or open-ended that it can be interpreted many different ways - and statements of fact are many times followed by a 'but this could all change' statement.

I love to read every piece of insider info posted - and I don't think I've ever once questioned whether SHA has actual sources - rather I wonder if sometime these sources think that they know more than they actual do.  Regardless anytime you post anything on a message board (opinion or fact) you have to be prepared to receive criticism and be disagreed with.

I don't think I've ever attacked SHA on a personal level (and if i did i would surely apologize for it) - but I have many times disagreed on the tone or subject of what he has posted.

 

[TexExSpur]

As for Miami

https://twitter.com/joaquin_umol73/status/667440974063378432

Former Miami Player Says Butch Davis, Mario Cristobal Lead For Head Coaching Vacancy
Matt Hladik

Former Miami offensive lineman Joaquin Gonzalez, a member of the ‘Canes 2001 BCS National Championship team, played for the program during one of its greatest eras.. Therefore, it is no surprise that the search committee for the Miami head coaching vacancy elected to speak with Gonzalez today about the ongoing search process and gauge his thoughts on what the U needs in its next leader.

According to Gonzalez, two men with prominent Miami ties have been the most suggested candidates for the position: former Hurricanes head coach Butch Davis and ex-offensive lineman and assistant Mario Cristobal.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

He also gets credit for saying things he didn't say too.  Much of the insider information that is shared is so incredibly vague or open-ended that it can be interpreted many different ways - and statements of fact are many times followed by a 'but this could all change' statement.

I love to read every piece of insider info posted - and I don't think I've ever once questioned whether SHA has actual sources - rather I wonder if sometime these sources think that they know more than they actual do.  Regardless anytime you post anything on a message board (opinion or fact) you have to be prepared to receive criticism and be disagreed with.

I don't think I've ever attacked SHA on a personal level (and if i did i would surely apologize for it) - but I have many times disagreed on the tone or subject of what he has posted.

I don't think it's vague at all, at least not what I've said. I think you have that problem confused with posters who just want to know more than I'm able to tell them. If you're expecting a complete and tidy story that answers all questions, then you're causing your own misery.

But since you bring up this "be prepared for disagreement" . . . exactly how are you going to attempt to disagree with someone being told something? I mean, if you're going to criticize me for passing something along from someone who really doesn't know anything, how then are you jumping right out there to clear everything up or make other determinations/conclusions? Do you have a source as well?

I felt badly last year when things did not work out as I had reported regarding Saban. I felt bad because it made me look like a liar. Anyone who knows me knows that is something tough for me to live with. But several credible sources have published the Saban story since then, relieving me of that burden to some extent.

So it's not necessarily about "think they know more than they know" as the Saban thing obviously proves false. It's that the time span between something happening and it appearing on this board is sometimes longer than one would think. And with human beings, as the Saban thing showed us, change their minds either by whim or by calculated decision, or not at all. So yes, even good, solid insider info has the potential to end up being different than reported in the end. And it also has the potential to be dead-on.

I think it would be beneficial to myself if I just stopped doing this. I thought it would provide interest for the board and good stuff to talk about. It seems to be causing more bad stuff than good stuff.

 

[TexExSpur]

The administration is not out of the loop. But what, exactly, were you expecting them to say?

I don't know that 6-6 can save his job. That is me speculating and knowing that human nature tends to have people change their minds when things begin going favorably and in a promising way.

You may be right and I would tend to agree about the job reputation thing.

One can say something. And then one can say something a certain way which influences the meaning. Thats what it is.

Much better response, it came across as fact in your previous post, win out or be gone.

 

[TexExSpur]

I don't think it's vague at all, at least not what I've said. I think you have that problem confused with posters who just want to know more than I'm able to tell them. If you're expecting a complete and tidy story that answers all questions, then you're causing your own misery.

But since you bring up this "be prepared for disagreement" . . . exactly how are you going to attempt to disagree with someone being told something? I mean, if you're going to criticize me for passing something along from someone who really doesn't know anything, how then are you jumping right out there to clear everything up or make other determinations/conclusions? Do you have a source as well?

I felt badly last year when things did not work out as I had reported regarding Saban. I felt bad because it made me look like a liar. Anyone who knows me knows that is something tough for me to live with. But several credible sources have published the Saban story since then, relieving me of that burden to some extent.

So it's not necessarily about "think they know more than they know" as the Saban thing obviously proves false. It's that the time span between something happening and it appearing on this board is sometimes longer than one would think. And with human beings, as the Saban thing showed us, change their minds either by whim or by calculated decision, or not at all. So yes, even good, solid insider info has the potential to end up being different than reported in the end. And it also has the potential to be dead-on.

I think it would be beneficial to myself if I just stopped doing this. I thought it would provide interest for the board and good stuff to talk about. It seems to be causing more bad stuff than good stuff.

It's all in the presentation.  I enjoy reading what folks are told/form an opinion on, etc..  I get told interesting tid-bits every day via text, etc.... by people tied to the program and on the ground.  I don't share much because there are too many moving parts and I would hate for it to get back to any of them.

 

[MikeV73]

I'm going to guess this is the same crowd that finds Tony Romo's backward cap offensive.

Yeah, my 76 yr old father-in-law for example.

 

[UTfish]

I think it would be beneficial to myself if I just stopped doing this. I thought it would provide interest for the board and good stuff to talk about. It seems to be causing more bad stuff than good stuff.

No. Please don't even think about not posting anything you wish on this board, SHA.

You are a valuable member, as is Hophop, and we all enjoy reading your posts.

Tension is just running high in Longhorn land now and will continue until we start winning again.

 

[Bear19]

In my opinion the whole idea of this message board was for people to share what they know or what they think they know. Without retribution.