Strong supporters

[streettopeschel]

Half of this board sounds like PC Principal.

It is painful to watch Texas struggle like this.

However, there is no God given right that Texas shall be a football power, regardless of what so many apparently think.

Stop acting offended by those who are pointing out the obvious. When you do, your ire is as musguided, if not more, than the several posters who find it their personal mission to point out the obvious to your disgust and dismay.

Everybody take a breath. This is going to be a long season and if you are Longhorn fans you will react accordingly.

Is it Mack's fault? Yes

Is it Charlie's fault? Yes

Is Randolph Duke going to cause Texas to have a crappy recruiting class? No.

Are there high school seniors who will make it their personal mission to see to it that Texas returns to greatness? Yes

This too will pass.

wrong. It IS a God given right that the Longhorns be good at football. Read the book of Darrell, chapter 15, verse 14.

 

[utisdabomb12]

You're doing exactly what you're claiming others are doing with players, with coaches.

If I'm a top of the line chef, is it the expectation of the customers that I can magically turn a carrot into a tomato. No. That's a little preposterous right?

By your logic, it's only coincidental that the players playing best on our offensive line are Wickline's recruits. It has nothing to do with Mack grabbing low hanging fruit. Your stance is hypocritical if we're being nice and largely flawed if we're being honest.

Some kids can't be coached. Swoopes will never be an elite QB. Regardless of who coaches him. You'd agree with that sentiment wouldn't you? Yet you won't say the same for the O-Line because it doesn't fit your narrative.

You've made good points. This isn't one of them. Our O-Line is struggling because Wickline was left with no capable starters. That's why we're starting multiple freshman on our line. And that's why those freshman have performed better than their Mack recruited upper classmen teammates. 18 games and Wickline is expected to have 3 below average offensive lineman playing like the Great Wall. Okay.

I couldn't have said it better. You can not coach players like Doyle. I give the kid a standing ovation when he doesn't fall on the ground. 

 

[DMAC]

I am not buying it.  Its all we ever hear.  Excuses.  So UT is the only school in the state of Texas that every single OL on the entire roster has ZERO talent and its so bad that even a god like coach such as Wickline just cant do anything with them.  Thats the basis for your entire theory.  So every OL on our roster sucks ass except for the 2 true freshmen.  Lame excuse for poor development.

 

[BevoBlake]

I am not buying it. Its all we ever hear. Excuses. So UT is the only school in the state of Texas that every single OL on the entire roster has ZERO talent and its so bad that even a god like coach such as Wickline just cant do anything with them. Thats the basis for your entire theory. So every OL on our roster sucks ass except for the 2 true freshmen. Lame excuse for poor development.

You don't have to buy it. At the end of the day, nobody on the staff is concerned about what DMAC thinks of their development ability.
You can justify it however you like. Strong, Wickline, Bedford and especially Watson, were left with a terrible football team. Mack had grown complacent in his last few years. It's amazing how the passing of time tends haze folks memory.

More than enough people know why our offensive line is performing poorly. When Wickline has his players and can coach them up, you'll understand too.

 

[utisdabomb12]

I am not buying it.  Its all we ever hear.  Excuses.  So UT is the only school in the state of Texas that every single OL on the entire roster has ZERO talent and its so bad that even a god like coach such as Wickline just cant do anything with them.  Thats the basis for your entire theory.  So every OL on our roster sucks ass except for the 2 true freshmen.  Lame excuse for poor development.

You think Doyle, Flowers and Hutchins are good/talented players? 

All I know is Wickline produced some elite offensive lines at Oklahoma State. There's obviously a difference between Oklahoma State and Texas? Maybe talent level? 

 

[DMAC]

Ok Bevo,

Yea they dont care what I think and I am pretty f##king sure your opinion means jack shit as well.  Make more excuses but this team is regressing and you people blame the players over and over.  At some point the coaching is responsible whether you like it or not.  They are not getting it done. 

 

[utisdabomb12]

Make more excuses 

Nobody is denying that these are excuses. Valid excuses though. 

Losing sucks, but our roster is complete trash. We aren't just plugging in players right now, we have to rebuild the entire roster. This isn't something that's going be fixed over night or even in 1 or 2 years. 

 

[DMAC]

You think Doyle, Flowers and Hutchins are good/talented players? 

All I know is Wickline produced some elite offensive lines at Oklahoma State. Wonder why he's struggling at Texas with Mack Brown players that couldn't even start at Rice? 

LOL this is getting ridiculous.  So Wickline can only make decent OL players out of good talented HS players?  That is one hell of a up coaching job

 

[utisdabomb12]

LOL this is getting ridiculous.  So Wickline can only make decent OL players out of good talented HS players?  That is one hell of a up coaching job

All coaches have to have talent. Doyle, Flowers, and Hutchins do not have talent. 

Part of what made Wickline such a good developer at OSU is he found players like Williams. 

 

[BevoBlake]

Ok Bevo,

Yea they dont care what I think and I am pretty f##king sure your opinion means jack shit as well. Make more excuses but this team is regressing and you people blame the players over and over. At some point the coaching is responsible whether you like it or not. They are not getting it done.

They sure as hell wouldn't give a damn about my opinion.

I don't think you're looking at the full picture here DMAC. I don't think you're recognizing the complete lack of talent this program was left with. Just because we're Texas, doesn't mean we're playing with elite players every year. Mack slacked off. Those players stick around for 1-4 years. We're 18 games post-Mack. It's going to take time. Those players that Strong, Bedford and Wickline brought in are outperforming all of Macks. You have to give it some time.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

You think Doyle, Flowers and Hutchins are good/talented players? 

All I know is Wickline produced some elite offensive lines at Oklahoma State. There's obviously a difference between Oklahoma State and Texas? Maybe talent level? 

A friend of mine in ATX knows a scout for the Steelers.

The scout said that Doyle was an upgrade from Espinosa last season. Take that for what it's worth. I don't know why he's having a bad senior year, but he's physically and mentally capable of doing a good job at C.

Flowers and Hutchins? Not so much. 

 

[BevoBlake]

A friend of mine in ATX knows a scout for the Steelers.

The scout said that Doyle was an upgrade from Espinosa last season. Take that for what it's worth. I don't why he's having a bad senior year, but he's physically and mentally capable of doing a good job at C.

Flowers and Hutchins? Not so much.

When the Steelers can scout a kicker, I'll care what they think.

(Totally kidding here)

 

[DMAC]

When the Steelers can scout a kicker, I'll care what they think.

(Totally kidding here)

When we can recruiter a kicker I will care

 

[utisdabomb12]

The scout said that Doyle was an upgrade from Espinosa last season. Take that for what it's worth. I don't why he's having a bad senior year, but he's physically and mentally capable of doing a good job at C.

I'm no scout, but i couldn't disagree more with this. Espinosa was far from an elite player, but Doyle is nowhere and I mean nowhere near the talent level of Espinosa. 

Not to be harsh, but Doyle is the worst player on our roster. If you touch him he falls down. I don't know what you teach a player like that. It has little to do with technique or development, just the fact that Doyle isn't a good player. 

 

[BevoBlake]

When we can recruiter a kicker I will care

Touché there. And a punter at that.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

When we can recruiter a kicker I will care

But Rose can do these totally cool back-flip kicks!

 

[DMAC]

But Rose can do these totally cool back-flip kicks!

He might as well do that in game.  Atleast it will be entertaining when he misses.

 

[utisdabomb12]

In reference to Doyle, he's a perfect example of why I've continually said the biggest issue for Mack Brown was not development but recruiting. Regardless of recruiting rankings, Mack wasn't bringing in talent. Don't get me wrong I think development was an issue, but to me recruiting was always the underlying issue that lead to Mack's downfall. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

He might as well do that in game.  Atleast it will be entertaining when he misses.

The Cal game was a good time to bust this move

 

[Sirhornsalot]

 I give the kid a standing ovation when he doesn't fall on the ground.