Strong supporters

[GBT]

I agree. In order for Strong to save his career he needs to find a way to reignite the fire inside his staff. They have to transform into better teachers of fundamentals. I hope there is a way to salvage the year. Starting from scratch again is not appealing

You are either a good coach or you're not. These guys Strong put together are not good. He needs to fire them and hire some guys who know how to stop good offenses and how to score on good defenses. Bedford is not getting it done, and Norvell though better than Watson, is not good either.

Watson doesn't know how to coach a QB in a spread offense.

 

[GBT]

Speaking of Manny, I see he has resurfaced at his old spot at Miss St. Robinson had loyalty to Brown and most likely came back due to him.

Maybe he did come back due to loyalty to Mack, but maybe he would come back due to loyalty to Woodrow Wilson. He was on the  $100,000 bill by the way. About ten of those should do the trick.

 

[streettopeschel]

It's one game. Does anyone really think the Longhorns were going to beat TCU? The Horn's could easily be 3-2 at this point.

I don't know what's worse. The 'fire charlie' crowd or the 'we could easily be 3-2' crowd.
Charlie won't be fired. And we suck. Both can be true.

 

[GBT]

GBT, you said we should give another coach four years, but you don't even want to give Charlie two whole years?

Read what I said...I said four years IF they didn't embarrass us like the joke Charlie is putting out there.

I would be all for Charlie getting three recruiting classes or four if he had shown us his staff knew how to coach this team to be competitive.....Not a champion or contender...JUST COMPETITIVE ....Instead we get what we saw at ND and today to go along with the Rice game and OSU......next week I'll be at the Cotton Bowl watching The Red River Raping.....SMH.......

Charlie messed up when he fired Mack's staff and hired his own. Got rid of the wrong coaches and hired the wrong coaches.....

 

[North Texas Golfer]

The difference between the coaching and the talent level between TCU and Texas is absolutely mind-boggling. Even my wife, who rarely says much, commented that Texas didn't look like they are very well coached.

Man, I want to be right there with everyone who says give Charlie 3-4 years because of the obvious talent deficit that he was left with. But man, we're going backwards right now and not seeing much sign of any progress.

 

[BevoBlake]

The difference between the coaching and the talent level between TCU and Texas is absolutely mind-boggling. Even my wife, who rarely says much, commented that Texas didn't look like they are very well coached.

Man, I want to be right there with everyone who says give Charlie 3-4 years because of the obvious talent deficit that he was left with. But man, we're going backwards right now and not seeing much sign of any progress.[/quote

Backward would imply we're rolling out the same team as last year. This team is fat, far younger. Some regression was to be expected. But I get what you're saying. It's disheartening and I truly hope we'll see the ship righted soon.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Some regression was to be expected. But I get what you're saying. It's disheartening and I truly hope we'll see the ship righted soon.

"Some" regression would be acceptable. Being dominated in every phase of the game is disgusting.

 

[java]

I just visited Barking Carnival.  Scipio Tex has a good breakdown of the defense and special teams.  The offense will come later.  I agree with him.  I wish we had won, as well, but can be tough when a coach plays many talented freshmen at the same time, there will be breakdowns.  It happens.  Charlie warned us.  Vance warned us.  It happens.  What do you do, though, if the juniors and seniors are not up to the task?  

The coach plays the talented freshmen, and prays they learn quickly.  At least, speed, quicks, and instincts give them a chance...and, they will be 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year players eventually.

http://www.barkingcarnival.com/2015/10/3/9446295/texas-tcu-football-postmortem-defense-special-teams

 

[MikeV73]

Maybe he did come back due to loyalty to Mack, but maybe he would come back due to loyalty to Woodrow Wilson. He was on the $100,000 bill by the way. About ten of those should do the trick.

Wow was that clever.

 

[Randolph Duke]

I just visited Barking Carnival. Scipio Tex has a good breakdown of the defense and special teams. The offense will come later. I agree with him. I wish we had won, as well, but can be tough when a coach plays many talented freshmen at the same time, there will be breakdowns. It happens. Charlie warned us. Vance warned us. It happens. What do you do, though, if the juniors and seniors are not up to the task?

The coach plays the talented freshmen, and prays they learn quickly. At least, speed, quicks, and instincts give them a chance...and, they will be 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year players eventually.

http://www.barkingcarnival.com/2015/10/3/9446295/texas-tcu-football-postmortem-defense-special-teams

You obviously missed where Scipio called out Bedford for his flawed scene that let a 5'9" 165 lb freshmen torch the defense. Scipio also mentioned he wasn't sure Charlie Strong wasn't going to succeed as head coach at Texas.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I don't necessarily buy that it takes a new coach several years to establish themselves.

DKR took over a team that had gone 1-9 including shut out losses of 45-0 and 46-0 and six games (out of 10) where they scored 7 points or less. And the 2 previous years had yielded records of 5-5 and 4-5-1. So one could surmise that the talent level at Texas was quite low at that point.

So in his first year DKR goes 6-4-1 with a loss in the Sugar Bowl and actually finished ranked #11. In his 2nd year he goes 7-3 and then in his 3rd year he goes 9-2 with a loss in the Cotton Bowl.

Just saying.

 

[utisdabomb12]

Don't think Strong should be fired yet. But he is only as good as his coaching staff. Norvell is on a short leash, if he wants to start JG over 33 then his eye for evaluating talent is terrible. CS needs to focus completely focus on fixing the D. That is his bread and butter.

Unfortunately, Norvell isn't the problem just like Watson wasn't the problem. I knew a switch to a new OC in the long term wouldn't fix much. I think Heard gave us a jolt of optimism because he was a bad match up for Cal (I will say I still have optimism in Heard). 

At the end of the day when you have to start guys like Doyle, Hutchins, and Flowers on the OL you aren't going to do much of anything. The only way you go about fixing this problem is to upgrade the talent in recruiting. Like Watson, it's difficult for me to even judge Norvell because the offensive line can't block. 

That's why I've continuously said it's premature to fire any coordinators. I have no clue if Bedford, Norvell, or Watson end up as great coordinators but trying to judge them with the talent we have is impossible. 

 

[BudreauReye]

I don't necessarily buy that it takes a new coach several years to establish themselves.

DKR took over a team that had gone 1-9 including shut out losses of 45-0 and 46-0 and six games (out of 10) where they scored 7 points or less. And the 2 previous years had yielded records of 5-5 and 4-5-1. So one could surmise that the talent level at Texas was quite low at that point.

So in his first year DKR goes 6-4-1 with a loss in the Sugar Bowl and actually finished ranked #11. In his 2nd year he goes 7-3 and then in his 3rd year he goes 9-2 with a loss in the Cotton Bowl.

Just saying.

Good point North Texas Golfer ... however, recruiting was a different animal back in those days.  Coaches could bring in more players and "stockpile" them, so to speak, without today's more stringent rules regarding the number of players that you can bring in in any given year.  I do not remember exactly what the rules back then, but I do seem to remember that greater numbers of players were brought in then compared to now.

 

[MikeV73]

Frustrating when you see Michigan and Florida thriving under first year coaches who don't have "their players".

 

[Randolph Duke]

I don't necessarily buy that it takes a new coach several years to establish themselves.

DKR took over a team that had gone 1-9 including shut out losses of 45-0 and 46-0 and six games (out of 10) where they scored 7 points or less. And the 2 previous years had yielded records of 5-5 and 4-5-1. So one could surmise that the talent level at Texas was quite low at that point.

So in his first year DKR goes 6-4-1 with a loss in the Sugar Bowl and actually finished ranked #11. In his 2nd year he goes 7-3 and then in his 3rd year he goes 9-2 with a loss in the Cotton Bowl.

Just saying.

Not only is Charlie Strong not DKR, he isn't even Ed Price.

 

[utisdabomb12]

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Both NFL draft analysts. 

 

[Chris Flanagan]

I don't necessarily buy that it takes a new coach several years to establish themselves.

DKR took over a team that had gone 1-9 including shut out losses of 45-0 and 46-0 and six games (out of 10) where they scored 7 points or less. And the 2 previous years had yielded records of 5-5 and 4-5-1. So one could surmise that the talent level at Texas was quite low at that point.

So in his first year DKR goes 6-4-1 with a loss in the Sugar Bowl and actually finished ranked #11. In his 2nd year he goes 7-3 and then in his 3rd year he goes 9-2 with a loss in the Cotton Bowl.

Just saying.

And Bill Snyder had losing seasons 4 of his first 5 seasons. Guess K-State should have fired him.

Bear Bryant and Woody Hayes didn't win big until their 4th season.

It takes time. The age of the Internet has ruined the ability for fans to understand perspective.

Think about everything people have said in this thread.

- Barely any talent or very young talent.

- Passed up by A&M, TCU, and Baylor.

And you think Texas is going to get a big name coach after firing one midway through his second season who has a ton of respect in the coaching community? Who wants that when the money is almost negligible now with TV money. What's really the difference between $3 and 5 million of you are at a comfortable place in your career?

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Unfortunately, Norvell isn't the problem just like Watson wasn't the problem. I knew a switch to a new OC in the long term wouldn't fix much. I think Heard gave us a jolt of optimism because he was a bad match up for Cal (I will say I still have optimism in Heard). 

At the end of the day when you have to start guys like Doyle, Hutchins, and Flowers on the OL you aren't going to do much of anything. The only way you go about fixing this problem is to upgrade the talent in recruiting. Like Watson, it's difficult for me to even judge Norvell because the offensive line can't block. 

That's why I've continuously said it's premature to fire any coordinators. I have no clue if Bedford, Norvell, or Watson end up as great coordinators but trying to judge them with the talent we have is impossible.

I understand what everyone says about the lack of talent and I even see it as well. However, the thought is starting to creep into my mind that the lack of coaching may be a factor as well.

I mean, come on, Western Kentucky just put an ass-whooping on Rice today. You can't tell me that WK has more talent than Texas. I am not buying it.

 

[utisdabomb12]

Frustrating when you see Michigan and Florida thriving under first year coaches who don't have "their players".

Michigan starts 16 seniors, 3 juniors, and 3 sophomores. They still lack talent which is why they will lose 4 or so games, but at least they have nothing but experienced guys playing (wish we had that luxury). 

Mcelwain has done an excellent job at Florida but his defense is loaded with talent. Mcelwain for sure deserves credit for turning around the offense though. 

 

[java]

I believe that the Texas schedule is rated as the toughest in the country.  How's that for educating freshmen.