Strong supporters

[Hiwood]

no matter how you slice it, its a shit sammich and as Horn supporters we are being fed the sandwich without even so much as a glass of milk..The season is DONE, now we are playing to recover some dignity and pride. You can fire CS in mid season for  the following reasons

1. No one will take over the program in mid season

2. There aren't any big time coaches available right now

3. Sends out a very bad message to potential recruits

4. Will make any coach wary of coming here if they can get fired after 1.5 seasons

Lets wait and see how the season plays out, see if the team quits on CS, and see if he has the balls and the smarts to make some changes in his staff..IMO you owe him one more year but its make or break...Now I may feel different if we go 1-11....but the season could be salvaged with an emotional win over OU...If we get run out of the stadium, I may join the lynch mob

 

[GBT]

Losing....Its the players.

Getting embarrassed and looking clueless as we did vs ND and TCU.... Its coaching

Charlie can succeed at Texas, but he must pass out pink slips to his OC and DC.

You also can't have a coach like Watson coaching QBs when he has no clue as to how to coach within the spread offense.

If Charlie stays and keeps Bedford and company we are doomed to mediocrity ( directional school status for years to come ).

Charlie has it tough...He has two offensive coaches who are surely disgruntled, and that can't be good. Recruiting is going to suffer this year due to our performances, and since that is the heart and soul of success for Charlie at Texas, he is destined to fail unless he shows recruits he is trying to fix his staff. I promise you THSC are talking about how bad this staff is coaching.

He sealed his fate when he released Greg Robinson and  hired Watson and Bedford. 

Our upperclassmen don't just look bad, they look poorly coached.

Duke Thomas has been getting burned for years now and looked more clueless against TCU than he ever did...

Bedford is turning DBU ( defensive back university ) into Dumb Butt U.........

 

[Randolph Duke]

Allowing Charlie Strong to make even one more hire on the offensive side is a fundamental mistake.

 

[GBT]

Allowing Charlie Strong to make even one more hire on the offensive side is a fundamental mistake.

explain ......

 

[UTfish]

no matter how you slice it, its a shit sammich and as Horn supporters we are being fed the sandwich without even so much as a glass of milk..The season is DONE, now we are playing to recover some dignity and pride. You can fire CS in mid season for the following reasons

1. No one will take over the program in mid season

2. There aren't any big time coaches available right now

3. Sends out a very bad message to potential recruits

4. Will make any coach wary of coming here if they can get fired after 1.5 seasons

Lets wait and see how the season plays out, see if the team quits on CS, and see if he has the balls and the smarts to make some changes in his staff..IMO you owe him one more year but its make or break...Now I may feel different if we go 1-11....but the season could be salvaged with an emotional win over OU...If we get run out of the stadium, I may join the lynch mob

OU blowout could happen. Hope not, but hold off on the suicide note for at least a little while.

If we lose to Kansas and go 1-11, I'll give you pen and pencil. Lol

As for me, I'll ride with Charlie 'til we both go over the sunset, however long that is.

 

[BevoBlake]

Allowing Charlie Strong to make even one more hire on the offensive side is a fundamental mistake.

People could say the same about reading another one of your posts on the topic.

 

[bcherry168]

The season is over. The only question is whether the team goes 1-11, 2-10 or 3-9. Who really cares who is coaching out the season at this point.

And my earlier comment was too optimistic. The Charlie Strong era is worse than the Ed Price era. I think Price managed to go .500 his last year. Charlie Strong is praying he can go .250.

Ed Price's team was 1-9 in his 6th and last season. But his first 3 seasons were championship caliber teams. He was left with good talent by his predecessor.

I think we will be lucky to win 2 or 3 more games. We do not have the talent to do better, unfortunately. Another good recruiting class or two will get us back, but we have to have patience. Mack's last two or three years worth of recruiting just didn't work out.....he just picked the low hanging fruit. Strong needs the opportunity to recruit a couple of more classes. And we desperately need some good linemen in them.

That said, it is clear that our offensive schemes have been a mess, and Coach Strong clearly needs to seriously consider bringing in an offensive guy that can straighten it out. I have no confidence that the current set up is going to work out.

For those who want to fire Strong now or at the end of this season, just consider the  cost of bringing in a new coach with new schemes. It would just serve to delay fixing the problem for another 2 or 3 years.

 

[Reverent Horn]

Ed Price's team was 1-9 in his 6th and last season. But his first 3 seasons were championship caliber teams. He was left with good talent by his predecessor.

I think we will be lucky to win 2 or 3 more games. We do not have the talent to do better, unfortunately. Another good recruiting class or two will get us back, but we have to have patience. Mack's last two or three years worth of recruiting just didn't work out.....he just picked the low hanging fruit. Strong needs the opportunity to recruit a couple of more classes. And we desperately need some good linemen in them.

That said, it is clear that our offensive schemes have been a mess, and Coach Strong clearly needs to seriously consider bringing in an offensive guy that can straighten it out. I have no confidence that the current set up is going to work out.

For those who want to fire Strong now or at the end of this season, just consider the cost of bringing in a new coach with new schemes. It would just serve to delay fixing the problem for another 2 or 3 years.

I always repect your takes, but can't disagree more strongly. The talent argument just doesn't hold water. We have much more talent than the teams we are playing. We are not playing the Alabama's or Ohio States's of football. We are playing Ok States, Cal, TT, TCU, K States, Rice, etc... We got hammered by mostly a second string yesterday. After the 2nd qrt, TCU began subbing out players. Had Patterson not taken his foot off of the gas, the score would have been much worse. He had mercy on us. Our cubbard may not be full, but it is far from bare. Players and everything being exactly the same, if we took Strong and switched him with either Urban Meyer or Saban in the preseason, those coaches would have us 3-1 right now and Strong would have their squads at .500. While CS is a good person, he is not a good coach. We have to stop making excuses for him. The record speaks for itself.

 

[Randolph Duke]

Ed Price's team was 1-9 in his 6th and last season. But his first 3 seasons were championship caliber teams. He was left with good talent by his predecessor.

I think we will be lucky to win 2 or 3 more games. We do not have the talent to do better, unfortunately. Another good recruiting class or two will get us back, but we have to have patience. Mack's last two or three years worth of recruiting just didn't work out.....he just picked the low hanging fruit. Strong needs the opportunity to recruit a couple of more classes. And we desperately need some good linemen in them.

That said, it is clear that our offensive schemes have been a mess, and Coach Strong clearly needs to seriously consider bringing in an offensive guy that can straighten it out. I have no confidence that the current set up is going to work out.

For those who want to fire Strong now or at the end of this season, just consider the  cost of bringing in a new coach with new schemes. It would just serve to delay fixing the problem for another 2 or 3 years.

What you say is true, but your belief that replacing the head coach would delay fixing the problem seems somewhat misplaced. Charlie Strong's crucial weakness is his inability to evaluate offensice coaches. Charlie is a one-dimensional coach, focused on defense. Coach Strong hiring a new OC is what I believe will delay fixing the problem.

All this points to one of my big issues with Steve Patterson when he was AD. What I think should be happening is Mike Perrin needs to be talking to Charlie Strong about how to solve the problem. Coach Strong needs help evaluating possible OCs and in hiring the right OC. He needs an AD who can help him manage the program and help him grow into being able to manage the UT football program. Patterson would never have been such an AD.

Coach Strong has a lot of strengths as a head coach, but he unquestionably wasn't ready as a professional to take over the UT program. He needed to improve his skills at evaluating offensive coaches before he took over a major program. He didn't, we hired him and we are paying the price.

The alternative to firing Coach Strong is working with him to solve the obvious problems, the most pressing of which is finding the right OC. If solving that problem is left up to Coach Strong alone, the problem will never get solved. Charlie just isn't capable of evaluating OCs. If he gets the right help in finding the right OC, there is a chance. Not much of a chance, because I don't think he is the right guy for the job, but there is a chance.

 

[bcherry168]

What you say is true, but your belief that replacing the head coach would delay fixing the problem seems somewhat misplaced. Charlie Strong's crucial weakness is his inability to evaluate offensice coaches. Charlie is a one-dimensional coach, focused on defense. Coach Strong hiring a new OC is what I believe will delay fixing the problem.

All this points to one of my big issues with Steve Patterson when he was AD. What I think should be happening is Mike Perrin needs to be talking to Charlie Strong about how to solve the problem. Coach Strong needs help evaluating possible OCs and in hiring the right OC. He needs an AD who can help him manage the program and help him grow into being able to manage the UT football program. Patterson would never have been such an AD.

Coach Strong has a lot of strengths as a head coach, but he unquestionably wasn't ready as a professional to take over the UT program. He needed to improve his skills at evaluating offensive coaches before he took over a major program. He didn't, we hired him and we are paying the price.

The alternative to firing Coach Strong is working with him to solve the obvious problems, the most pressing of which is finding the right OC. If solving that problem is left up to Coach Strong alone, the problem will never get solved. Charlie just isn't capable of evaluating OCs. If he gets the right help in finding the right OC, there is a chance. Not much of a chance, because I don't think he is the right guy for the job, but there is a chance.

I think all of you experts need to look back at what happened after 2010. All of you were in a big hurry to fire Mack. The criticism and vitriol were similar to what we are now seeing from you. Now Strong is NOT going to be fired after this season, and you all know it.

So what effect will all of the pissing and moaning have? Exactly the same effect it had on Mack's recruiting. Sure, Mack was able to recruit the low hanging fruit, but the result was that when he left, the cupboard was pretty bare, and his successor is having to deal with it. Now you guys are going to pile on early and loudly, and the net result will be harm to the University of Texas football program.

We are all disappointed, of course. And the situation with the offensive scheme is bad, but it was adopted to accommodate the quarterback talent we had when Strong arrived....Ash and Swoopes. When they did not pan out, we have had to essentially change horses in midstream.

Now I do think that at the end of the season, Strong needs to take a long hard look at the offense and the offensive coaches, and make some changes. I also think he needs to do the same with the defensive staff.

But it does us no service to keep on harping about firing Charlie Strong.

 

[GBT]

I do not want Charlie fired...I want Charlie to clean house and get a competent staff on board. If he does that he can bring us back. If not, we will never finish ahead of TCU , Baylor, and OU in the same year no matter how well he recruits. If he doesn't make changes he will be gone at the end of next season, and we will be so far behind Aggy, TCU, Baylor, and OU it will take a decade or more to recover if ever in our lifetime.

 

[Reverent Horn]

I thought we were supposed to talk about UT sports here? I did want Mack gone, but the process to hire a replacement went awry quickly when Steve Paterson went rogue and acted independently from the search committee he formed of BMDs. After asking for everyone's input on who to interview, he goes out and interviews Strong and hired him to the surprise of the committee. That disastersous beginning has led us to the fiasco we find ourselves in. I wanted a splash hire, not a coach with 2 winning seasons to his credit and that in an underperforming conference.

 

[DMAC]

Our upperclassmen are terrible.  Doyle, Duke Thomas, and yes even Haynes just to name a few.  Why are they starting?  It sends a wrong message to the entire team.  I was impressed Strong started Hill, yes he got beat by Doctson a few times, but he beats most CB's. I would rather watch us get blown out every freaking game and sit these so called seasoned vets who make constant mistakes.  Just watch Duke blow coverage almost every play then to watch rewind on LHN and hear Strong say Duke came to play.  What?  That is so confusing.  I don't get it at all.  

Someone explain to me why J Gray is starting?   D. Foreman is way more powerful and runs harder.  I am so tired of watching Gray try to be "PrimeTime" and juke/dance his way to being tackled.  Ever since the media had a field day with his highlight film juke at Tech last year, that's all he does, its try to juke some more.  9 out of 10 times he is tackled by the first guy that touches him.  Foreman is way better and a way better blocker than Gray.  I almost cried when we handed the ball to Gray on 3rd and 2 and he failed to make the first down.  Similar to last year when they put Gray in for Malcolm Brown on 4th and 1 and he lost yardage.  Foreman is the obvious short yardage back as was Brown last year, why on earth would they hand off to Gray.  Makes no freaking sense at all.  Bonehead decisions.

I am pretty sure we all saw Heard get sacked by the defensive tackle in which Doyle blocked air the entire play.  I mean common there is no else we can put in there?  Send the message, stop talking tough and do it.  If these players suck then sit them.  I would rather give someone else a chance when the worse they can do nothing which is what Doyle pretty much is.

Also 3rd and 4, blitz coming and all the freaking receivers are running GO routes.  Where are the quick slants, hitches, outlet routes?  Like I said before maybe its Heard not calling an audible. 

Rose what can I say.  The most inconsistent kicker I have ever seen at Texas.  Why is he practicing kicking FG doing backflips when maybe he can practice making normal 30 yarders CONSISTENTLY.

The point I am trying to make is either this coaching staff SERIOUSLY sucks at evaluating its players OR they are caving into ENTITLED crappy upperclassmen.  It is these types of coaching decisions that causes me to lose faith in this coaching staff.  

 

[NWAHorn]

What is an offensice coach?

 

[bierce]

I think all of you experts need to look back at what happened after 2010. All of you were in a big hurry to fire Mack. The criticism and vitriol were similar to what we are now seeing from you. Now Strong is NOT going to be fired after this season, and you all know it.

So what effect will all of the pissing and moaning have? Exactly the same effect it had on Mack's recruiting. Sure, Mack was able to recruit the low hanging fruit, but the result was that when he left, the cupboard was pretty bare, and his successor is having to deal with it. Now you guys are going to pile on early and loudly, and the net result will be harm to the University of Texas football program.

We are all disappointed, of course. And the situation with the offensive scheme is bad, but it was adopted to accommodate the quarterback talent we had when Strong arrived....Ash and Swoopes. When they did not pan out, we have had to essentially change horses in midstream.

Now I do think that at the end of the season, Strong needs to take a long hard look at the offense and the offensive coaches, and make some changes. I also think he needs to do the same with the defensive staff.

But it does us no service to keep on harping about firing Charlie Strong.

I call BS with a capital BEE ESS.

According to 247sports, Mack's critics during the 2010 season so hampered his recruiting efforts that Texas had the 4th highest ranked recruiting class in 2011 and the 2nd highest class in 2012.  Sounds like Mack was still getting the guys he wanted while having his propaganda machine running in full tilt about how great all his recruits were.

If anything has been proven from the results of UT football 2011 to present, then I submit it is the guys who wanted Mack gone in 2010 were right.  Had Mack been shown the door then, perhaps we'd now be in the position of enjoying watching UT compete for conference championships and playoff berths instead of the horrific middle of rebuilding.

I freely grant Texas is still in the rebuilding process.  I'm not going to pass judgment on whether Strong should be retained or let go less than halfway through his second season, and I'm not even going to pass judgment on his performance this year until the year is over, but I'm not going to blithely accept an argument that criticizing the coach is a greater problem for a football program than the coach trotting a team onto the field to get slaughtered in a really ugly fashion. 

Let's hope the TCU game was the nadir and the team plays better as the year progresses, but let's not try to ignore that suffering multiple blowout losses is many times worse for the long term health of the program than is clamor from the fans that such results are unacceptable and must be addressed. 

 

[Randolph Duke]

I do not want Charlie fired...I want Charlie to clean house and get a competent staff on board. If he does that he can bring us back. If not, we will never finish ahead of TCU , Baylor, and OU in the same year no matter how well he recruits. If he doesn't make changes he will be gone at the end of next season, and we will be so far behind Aggy, TCU, Baylor, and OU it will take a decade or more to recover if ever in our lifetime.

Great. We have all looked into the future and seen what will be. The question is "How do we alter that scenario to a positive outcome?"

I want to hear from Mike Perrin. I want him to say he supports Charlie Strong because they have talked about the future of the program and they agree on the direction. I want the former athletes to come by and both spend a day with the current athletes and talk to them. I want the alumni lettermen to begin to band together to heal this program and I want Bellmont to send pic of these engagements and to share them with the social media sites to use them in a way that amplifies the comunication with the alumni at large. I want to know Mike Perrin is engaged with Charlie Strong to solve the challenges that are obvious.

The Dept of Education requires financial statements for athletics departments to be filed 45 days after the end of the Aug 31 end of fiscal year. Here is the link to where they can be found online. http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx  The UT financials will be out in 12 days (give or take).

I want Mike Perrin to get in front of this release and let the alumni know the content before it is publicly available. I want Mike Perrin to set forth the priorities for UT athletics over the next year. I want Mike Perrin to work with Texas Exes and buy every member of the alumni a beer the next time they attend a UT sporting event (its easy to do. It they can do online tickets, they can do online one-time benefits. If nothing else, it will get the alumni to realize how the online ticket system works).

I want to be shown serious people have taken control of UT athletics after the shitshow that was Steve Patterson. I want hope.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

What you say is true, but your belief that replacing the head coach would delay fixing the problem seems somewhat misplaced. Charlie Strong's crucial weakness is his inability to evaluate offensice coaches. Charlie is a one-dimensional coach, focused on defense. Coach Strong hiring a new OC is what I believe will delay fixing the problem.

All this points to one of my big issues with Steve Patterson when he was AD. What I think should be happening is Mike Perrin needs to be talking to Charlie Strong about how to solve the problem. Coach Strong needs help evaluating possible OCs and in hiring the right OC. He needs an AD who can help him manage the program and help him grow into being able to manage the UT football program. Patterson would never have been such an AD.

Coach Strong has a lot of strengths as a head coach, but he unquestionably wasn't ready as a professional to take over the UT program. He needed to improve his skills at evaluating offensive coaches before he took over a major program. He didn't, we hired him and we are paying the price.

The alternative to firing Coach Strong is working with him to solve the obvious problems, the most pressing of which is finding the right OC. If solving that problem is left up to Coach Strong alone, the problem will never get solved. Charlie just isn't capable of evaluating OCs. If he gets the right help in finding the right OC, there is a chance. Not much of a chance, because I don't think he is the right guy for the job, but there is a chance.

Don't over-complicate this next hire for CFS.

Just hire one of TCU's co-OCs, Cumbie or Meacham. Either one can develop and execute a better game plan than we've been seeing. I'm really disappointed in Norvell. I thought we had turned a corner offensively against Cal. No such luck

 

[bcherry168]

I call BS with a capital BEE ESS.

According to 247sports, Mack's critics during the 2010 season so hampered his recruiting efforts that Texas had the 4th highest ranked recruiting class in 2011 and the 2nd highest class in 2012.  Sounds like Mack was still getting the guys he wanted while having his propaganda machine running in full tilt about how great all his recruits were.

If anything has been proven from the results of UT football 2011 to present, then I submit it is the guys who wanted Mack gone in 2010 were right.  Had Mack been shown the door then, perhaps we'd now be in the position of enjoying watching UT compete for conference championships and playoff berths instead of the horrific middle of rebuilding.

I freely grant Texas is still in the rebuilding process.  I'm not going to pass judgment on whether Strong should be retained or let go less than halfway through his second season, and I'm not even going to pass judgment on his performance this year until the year is over, but I'm not going to blithely accept an argument that criticizing the coach is a greater problem for a football program than the coach trotting a team onto the field to get slaughtered in a really ugly fashion. 

Let's hope the TCU game was the nadir and the team plays better as the year progresses, but let's not try to ignore that suffering multiple blowout losses is many times worse for the long term health of the program than is clamor from the fans that such results are unacceptable and must be addressed. 

How did all of those high ranked recruiting classes work out on the field? Go down the list and see who actually played up to their star rankings. All of those recruiting rankings are for your entertainment. What the whole thing is really about is recruiting players who can actually play the game on the field. The last few classes that Mack got just did not pan out.

So I will call BS on you.

 

[Hiwood]

J.Gray will NEVER be the same back he once was, nobody comes back from a ruptured Achilles..i don't think the problem is the offense, EVERYONE assumed we would have a stellar D, but CS has shown nothing of the sort...when we fell behind early you can throw half the playback out the window..dont even get me started on special teams...bottom line is that this is NOT well coached team, We Horn loyalists have to hope and pray this team doesn't quit on CS and staff

i think the OU game will go along way in showing who is proud to be in Burnt Orange, and also which ones among us are willing to ride the bandwagon off the cliff if thats where its headed

I am here for the entire ride even if that means a short ride to the bottom of the valley...

kinda feel like Errol Flynn in "They died with their Boots On " ...we can ride to our death or ride to Glory

 

[swaha]

According to 247sports, Mack's critics during the 2010 season so hampered his recruiting efforts that Texas had the 4th highest ranked recruiting class in 2011 and the 2nd highest class in 2012.  Sounds like Mack was still getting the guys he wanted while having his propaganda machine running in full tilt about how great all his recruits were.

Having a top 5 recruiting class is great, but it means nothing if those guys don't pan out.  The 2011 class did not live up to its hype.  We can blame the coaches for poor evaluation or it came down to the player's lack of effort and desire.  Notice the big F for the offensive linemen grade.  When you do not have depth in the line, you are going to struggle.

Check out the link.

http://deslide.clusterfake.net/?o=html_table&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F2098990-texas-football-re-evaluating-the-longhorns-2011-recruiting-class