An interesting domino effect?

[Duke C #11]

I vote for an 8 team playoff, with half of the bowl games going away. I've always thought teams with six losses should not get rewarded with a bowl game. I still feel that way.

 

[Chitownhorn]

With a 4 team playoff one of the problems that I see is that that one of the conference champions of the big 5 (Pac12, Big12, Big10, ACC, SEC) will always be left out of the playoffs, That's assuming they are all in the mix. With most conference champions usually having only one loss they will almost always be in the mix.

I'm not sure adding 2 more teams to the Big12 necessarily solves the problem, although I'd like to see that happen. This year for example, if Baylor was to play TCU in a championship game and beat them, do they jump 3 teams to make the playoffs? My guess is probably not. So they would both be out.

I think the best solution is an 8 team playoff. 

 

[HornNdriftwood]

I vote for an 8 team playoff, with half of the bowl games going away. I've always thought teams with six losses should not get rewarded with a bowl game. I still feel that way.

I said it when we had a CCG and the B1G & Pac 10 didn't. If we're going to have a playoff, there has to be an even playing field for all involved.

That starts with CCGs - either everyone has it or no one - and goes to a national pool of referees and equal enforcement of the rules for everybody, etc.

I'll add that that was also Deloss and Mack's stance - 8 teams and an even playing field (as it pertained to CCGs).

 

[echeese]

With all due respect, all of those teams seem mediocre and imo would not add much prestige to the current collection of schools.

I would rather go after teams like Louisville, Clemson, FSU etc.

That ship sailed, there was a time we might have landed those 3 but they are locked up now. . . .thus I did not consider them.

Outside of BYU and ND (2 independents), there are no "prestige" schools left so I was targeted the next best things:

New TV markets

Teams with strong attendance records

Teams that create regional rivalries for other BigXII opponents. . . the idea is to "grow" those teams prestige and to keep in mind that CFB is still a regional game.

BYU

UCF

USF

ECU

Army

Navy

AF

Big XII made 2 huge mistakes when Mizzu/Aggie/Neb/Colo took their balls and went home. ..

We failed to aggressively go after the UL's and FSU's of the world that could be had at the time and we added TCU which brought nothing to the table . ..we already dominate the D/FW market and this weekend with a playoff berth on the line. . . TCU was GIVING AWAY tickets. .. . .by the thousands. . .I know, I got the email.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Ideally, playoffs expand to 8. Agree, that may not happen because of 10-year contract and ESPN & media talking heads like the controversy.

Do y'all really believe UT and OU get left out under the same circumstances?  Maybe, because 12-1 > 11-1, but I don't think so.

Of the expansion candidates, here is my ranking by desirability, availability (fan base, media market, TV dollars), and the fact I believe Big12 will go east - not west - to follow through on promises made to WVU

1. UCF (SEC market, largest public university in USA and better option than USF - we don't need both - b/c basically the same media footprint)
2. Cincinnati (#2 in OH and in B1G market)
3. Memphis (SEC market. Rumor is FedEx founder, Fred Smith, will buy his way in with $20MM and be nice to have 'em as Big12 sponsor)
4. Houston (Locks up top TX media markets. Yeah, I know UH doesn't really deliver H-town but Big12 brand lifts them up and screws aggie)

If I'm wrong and we look west it's BYU by a long shot, Boise St, and Colorado St.

 

[echeese]

Ideally, playoffs expand to 8. Agree, that may not happen because of 10-year contract and ESPN & media talking heads like the controversy.

Do y'all really believe UT and OU get left out under the same circumstances?  Maybe, because 12-1 > 11-1, but I don't think so.

Of the expansion candidates, here is my ranking by desirability, availability (fan base, media market, TV dollars), and the fact I believe Big12 will go east - not west - to follow through on promises made to WVU

1. UCF (SEC market, largest public university in USA and better option than USF - we don't need both - b/c basically the same media footprint)
2. Cincinnati (#2 in OH and in B1G market)
3. Memphis (SEC market. Rumor is FedEx founder, Fred Smith, will buy his way in with $20MM and be nice to have 'em as Big12 sponsor)
4. Houston (Locks up top TX media markets. Yeah, I know UH doesn't really deliver H-town but Big12 brand lifts them up and screws aggie)

If I'm wrong and we look west it's BYU by a long shot, Boise St, and Colorado St.

Houston does NOTHING to lock up the TV market there. . .we already own Houston, . .. brand wise and any way you care to count. . .just like TCU didn't do squat to help us TV wise in D/FW. . . 

Would rather invite Navy to create another rival geographically for WVU and poach into the Baltimore/DC/Northern Va market.   And we can tap Army to pull in some of New York plus both will draw nationally. . . 

And both enjoy superior attendance compared to Cougar High

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Houston does NOTHING to lock up the TV market there. . .we already own Houston, . .. brand wise and any way you care to count. . .just like TCU didn't do squat to help us TV wise in D/FW. . . 

Would rather invite Navy to create another rival geographically for WVU and poach into the Baltimore/DC/Northern Va market.   And we can tap Army to pull in some of New York plus both will draw nationally. . . 

And both enjoy superior attendance compared to Cougar High

and neither military academy will field CFB teams that can really compete with UT & OU or bring anything to the table athletically in other sports. Is UT vs Navy really a big TV draw? Meh

I understand that you're former military and love the pageantry and nostalgia, but none of the service academies will be seriously considered for the Big12. You can bust me if I'm wrong

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

The only two schools that really interest me are BYU and UCF - and both of those places have serious warts that might be too much to overcome.  I expect Big12 to apply for a waiver (again?) to play a CCG - and after last weeks results I don't know how they could be denied.

 

[Juan]

 

[DMAC]

UT and OU should join the PAC12 with 2 other high profile teams.  I would rather see that than invite teams the being mentioned to the BIG12

 

[texasdobbs]

UT and OU should join the PAC12 with 2 other high profile teams. I would rather see that than invite teams the being mentioned to the BIG12

We can't do that because we signed are rights over to the Big12 for the next 10-12 years....

 

[streettopeschel]

We can't do that because we signed are rights over to the Big12 for the next 10-12 years....

no contract is ironclad or can't be bought out. if we were so inclined to move, of course, and evidently we aren't.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

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[texasdobbs]

no contract is ironclad or can't be bought out. if we were so inclined to move, of course, and evidently we aren't.

Lol.... you sound like a lawyer. ...

 

[streettopeschel]

Lol.... you sound like a lawyer. ...

MODS !!!! this guy is insulting me !!!!

 

[Agmaniacmike]

Its funny that the ones that got "screwed" in this whole mess are 2 of the teams in the Big 12 that would have a tough time finding a landing spot in a super conference. They can be mad about the situation but don't have the clout to change it themselves.

 

[DMAC]

We can't do that because we signed are rights over to the Big12 for the next 10-12 years....

I didnt realize that.  10 years?   Thats a long time.  I guess I should place my Big 12 ballcap next to my dusty SWC ballcap on the shelf.  :wacko:

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Its funny that the ones that got "screwed" in this whole mess are 2 of the teams in the Big 12 that would have a tough time finding a landing spot in a super conference. They can be mad about the situation but don't have the clout to change it themselves.

With a 4-team playoff, somebody is always gonna get screwed.

Duke, Vandy, and Washington State would've been passed over for tOSU, too, so it's not necessarily a Big12 failure. Agree they don't have the fan base or marketing muscle to change their situations.  They know that and deep-down I'm sure both realize that they need to run the table or beef up their OOC significantly in order to get a spot.

 

[Agmaniacmike]

The point I made all week long was that Baylor, TCU, and OSU had comparable SOS. The difference was the 13th game for OSU. Yes, Baylor didn't play very good teams OOC, but they do play minimum 9 power 5 conf teams a year. The issue is that with the champ game setup, so does every other conference. Honestly, would the NCAA be OK with a 10 game conf. sched for the Big 12? That way, you could still do a round robin and have 13 games like other conference champions. The Big 12 would only have to add one more team and would have a much easier sell to potential suitors and would likely be able to bring in a bigger name. Also, the conference members wouldn't take as big of a hit on their cut until the renegotiation of TV contracts in comparison to having to add 2 programs into the mix.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

The point I made all week long was that Baylor, TCU, and OSU had comparable SOS. The difference was the 13th game for OSU. Yes, Baylor didn't play very good teams OOC, but they do play minimum 9 power 5 conf teams a year. The issue is that with the champ game setup, so does every other conference. Honestly, would the NCAA be OK with a 10 game conf. sched for the Big 12? That way, you could still do a round robin and have 13 games like other conference champions. The Big 12 would only have to add one more team and would have a much easier sell to potential suitors and would likely be able to bring in a bigger name. Also, the conference members wouldn't take as big of a hit on their cut until the renegotiation of TV contracts in comparison to having to add 2 programs into the mix.

I expect the Big12 to petition the NCAA for a waiver to hold a conference championship game.

A Baylor-TCU rematch would've been great TV and certainly helped TCU if they could've pulled out a W - much better than beating Iowa State. I'm not saying they wouldn't be passed over by tOSU regardless, but it would've been a much tougher decision for the committee comparing 12-1 teams.

At least Bowlsby can present "One True Champion" with that scenario.