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The Truth about BYU and the Big 12

Actually I was referring to ESPN. If they see adding programs to the a Big12 means greater viewership then they'll renegotiate. However if it's just robbing Peter to pay Paul.... They have no incentive. For them it's all about TVs. Unless, somehow, we can add more TVs without taking them from ESPN then we've made our bed and have to lue in it.

Until, the dam breaks and the damn dam is about to break. There is a lot of smoke right now coming from Bristol about the whole reallignment into big 4 conferences.
Agreed.

That's what I think ESPN is lobbying for too.  4 super-conferences with 2 divisions each, aligned geographically like the NFL.  Maybe the Top 80 CFB programs get in?

8 or 16 team playoff.  Money is obscene for lucky members of the Super 4.

 
It is and based on my conversations today at rice, it might only happen AFTER all the law suits are settled. Schools like Rice are not big fans of the idea. However I'm not sure it may actually benefit them in the long run. They operate at such a defecit anually that something has to change. Who it will be devastating to is a program like UofH. Spending tons of money now only to be left at the alter. But I say screw em. They made their bed when they looked us in the eye and lied their little non tier one asses off.

 
It is and based on my conversations today at rice, it might only happen AFTER all the law suits are settled. Schools like Rice are not big fans of the idea. However I'm not sure it may actually benefit them in the long run. They operate at such a defecit anually that something has to change. Who it will be devastating to is a program like UofH. Spending tons of money now only to be left at the alter. But I say screw em. They made their bed when they looked us in the eye and lied their little non tier one asses off.
It'd be interesting to see what additional 15 teams get in if 80 were accepted to the BIG BOY table.

When did UH "look us in the eye and lie their little non-Tier 1 asses off"?  I think UH would probably get in.  MWC and AAC teams would all get a close look.  

 
Agreed.

That's what I think ESPN is lobbying for too. 4 super-conferences with 2 divisions each, aligned geographically like the NFL. Maybe the Top 80 CFB programs get in?

8 or 16 team playoff. Money is obscene for lucky members of the Super 4.
The money is even more obscene for the antitrust attorneys who will handle the litigation against whatever organization is established that locks out the other 45 FBS schools.

 
The money is even more obscene for the antitrust attorneys who will handle the litigation against whatever organization is established that locks out the other 45 FBS schools.
Yes, and that is exactly what they were saying today.

I dunno if it ever happens but when the former President at Columbia Law states that he doubts it ever happens and certainly wont happen without a fight, and oh, that same person is on the Board of the NCAA.... I listen.

 
The money is even more obscene for the antitrust attorneys who will handle the litigation against whatever organization is established that locks out the other 45 FBS schools.
What about the SEC and ACC "colluding" against non-P5 teams such as BYU?  By announcing that they "won't count" towards their SOS rating?  That openly "locks out" teams, too, if the P5 members decide to only schedule each other.

Is it considered exclusionary if the D4 super-conferences establish criteria for membership?  Must have a 50k seat stadium, financial resources to offer "full-cost" of scholarship, etc.  There's gotta be a loophole to avoid antitrust litigation. 

 
What about the SEC and ACC "colluding" against non-P5 teams such as BYU? By announcing that they "won't count" towards their SOS rating? That openly "locks out" teams, too, if the P5 members decide to only schedule each other.

Is it considered exclusionary if the D4 super-conferences establish criteria for membership? Must have a 50k seat stadium, financial resources to offer "full-cost" of scholarship, etc. There's gotta be a loophole to avoid antitrust litigation.
If you remember back when Utah was being shut out of BCS consideration (before they went to the PAC), Orrin Hatch made it very clear Congress would hold hearings on antitrust violations of any system that only allowed a certain number of large programs the opportunity to compete at the highest level.

There was a time when Harvard and Army were the powers in college football. Teams like Miami at one time were nothing. Aggy had a national championship before Texas had even made it to a number one ranking during a season. Claiming teams of today must always be included and all others shut out isn't going to happen. I can see a major division with a relegation system, but trying to find loopholes to circumvent well founded laws isn't the solution.

 
I'm starting to think the BYU "national fanbase" is a bit of a misnomer because if they had such a huge following that would bring so much, then why aren't they in a conference now? Why aren't people begging to get them into their conference like with ND?

Also, what does their "national fanbase" have to do with anything? How would that help at all?

 
How about dropping ISU and KU and become The Big 8?  There was a conference like this once and it gets rid of a couple of weak sisters that have been mooching off the Big 12.  And the remaining 8 teams REALLY can make some money.  :)

 
How about dropping ISU and KU and become The Big 8?  There was a conference like this once and it gets rid of a couple of weak sisters that have been mooching off the Big 12.  And the remaining 8 teams REALLY can make some money.  :)
I would not want to dump Kansas, they bring a lot to the table with their basketball program.  Now, getting Kansas to work on improving their football program is another issue, isn't it?  Besides, things are going to shake out after all of these lawsuits are settled.  All things being considered, it is probably best to stand pat for a while.

 
Right now there is absolutely no reason the expand the Big 12 unless the new team(s) could bring better than $22 million a year to the table. There are no such teams interested.

 
How about dropping ISU and KU and become The Big 8?  There was a conference like this once and it gets rid of a couple of weak sisters that have been mooching off the Big 12.  And the remaining 8 teams REALLY can make some money.  :)
In terms of overall program revenue, Kansas pulled in more last year than Florida State, Nebraska or North Carolina. They are worthless at football, but overall, they are not an insignificant program. 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

 
I would not want to dump Kansas, they bring a lot to the table with their basketball program.  Now, getting Kansas to work on improving their football program is another issue, isn't it?  Besides, things are going to shake out after all of these lawsuits are settled.  All things being considered, it is probably best to stand pat for a while.
Well, if basketball could make some money - then great.  I think bowlsby needs to get into a trade agreement with the ACC, a known basketball conference.  We'll trade KU for FSU.  I like this idea.  :P

 
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doc longhorn, on 12 Jun 2014 - 2:05 PM, said:

Well, if basketball could make some money - then great.  I think bowlsby needs to get into a trade agreement with the ACC, a known basketball conference.  We'll trade KU for FSU.  I like this idea.  :P
 

Randolf Duke, on 13 Jun 2014 - 1:56 PM, said:

In terms of overall program revenue, Kansas pulled in more last year than Florida State, Nebraska or North Carolina. They are worthless at football, but overall, they are not an insignificant program. 

http://www.usatoday....hools/finances/

Eh!  Since nothing is gonna really happen till the court cases get settled, and since we are just pie in the sky conjecturing, let's just tell the Notre Domers and the BYU Multiple Marriageists that the great Ahuru Mazda who resides in the Burnt Orange Sunset has dictated that they join us in this adventure that we will call the "Manifest Destiny of the Big 12"!  We shall sally forth with our compatriots, the Baylor Babtists and the TCU Horney Froggies and we shall defeat the sycophantic minions of the SEC on this, a most sacred field of battle!

Eh!  Works for me.

 
doc longhorn, on 12 Jun 2014 - 2:05 PM, said:

Well, if basketball could make some money - then great.  I think bowlsby needs to get into a trade agreement with the ACC, a known basketball conference.  We'll trade KU for FSU.  I like this idea.  :P

Randolf Duke, on 13 Jun 2014 - 1:56 PM, said:

In terms of overall program revenue, Kansas pulled in more last year than Florida State, Nebraska or North Carolina. They are worthless at football, but overall, they are not an insignificant program. 

http://www.usatoday....hools/finances/

Eh!  Since nothing is gonna really happen till the court cases get settled, and since we are just pie in the sky conjecturing, let's just tell the Notre Domers and the BYU Multiple Marriageists that the great Ahuru Mazda who resides in the Burnt Orange Sunset has dictated that they join us in this adventure that we will call the "Manifest Destiny of the Big 12"!  We shall sally forth with our compatriots, the Baylor Babtists and the TCU Horney Froggies and we shall defeat the sycophantic minions of the SEC on this, a most sacred field of battle!

Eh!  Works for me.










 
I'm starting to think the BYU "national fanbase" is a bit of a misnomer because if they had such a huge following that would bring so much, then why aren't they in a conference now? Why aren't people begging to get them into their conference like with ND?

Also, what does their "national fanbase" have to do with anything? How would that help at all?
Hardly a misnomer and fans bring eyes to TV sets. . .eyes lead to advertising. . . 

They are not in a conference because they do not want to be . .. . .and because of where they are geographically. . . .but why split revenues in the Mountain West when you don't have to?

Same for ND

 
Hardly a misnomer and fans bring eyes to TV sets. . .eyes lead to advertising. . . 

They are not in a conference because they do not want to be . .. . .and because of where they are geographically. . . .but why split revenues in the Mountain West when you don't have to?

Same for ND
Oh, they wanted to be in a conference alright - just not the Mountain West.  What they want, is to be in one of the big 5 and the Big 12 is the most appealing to them, since they know they have no chance at the PAC..

 
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