The Big 12 is a joke

[texasdobbs]

I say go independent. .. and screw them all.

 

[streettopeschel]

As to bobby .. .a review of his scheduled opponents shows plenty of Tulanes (a regular) Furman Georgia Southern. . .were there some good teams?  Sure. . .there were plenty of mutts as well . . .

As to KU in basketball . .. so schedule them.  ..nothing says we cannot still play those teams. . .especially in basketball. . . .but football is the driver. . .you would really rather travel to Manhatten than Clemson. . . .Ames vs Atlanta or Boston

As to OSU. . . .that came out with out last round of negotiations. . . .OSU does not want to be disconnected from OU. . .aggie did want to leave us. . . .apples...oranges. . .

the 'would you rather travel to...' arguement applies to such a small number it really doesn't matter. I'd rather travel to Hawaii or Aruba, but probably not happening.
re FSU...they finished in the top-5 14 straight years with their Furman-laden schedule. If CStrong does that, will anybody give a **** who he beat to do it?

The ncaa as an organization appears to be dead-man-walking. if i was to bet, i'd guess the football landscape looks a helluva different in 10 years than it does now, so the angst over what conference we're in today will probably be a moot point very soon.

whatever happens, i suspect the University of Texas will land on its feet.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

As to KU in basketball . .. so schedule them.  ..nothing says we cannot still play those teams. . .especially in basketball

Right

KU won't be playing Mizzou anytime soon.  They won't schedule us in hoops if we bailed on the Big12.

 

[texasdobbs]

Can we do a comparison between conference for arrests? I would like to see that comparison. ....

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

The ncaa as an organization appears to be dead-man-walking. if i was to bet, i'd guess the football landscape looks a helluva different in 10 years than it does now, so the angst over what conference we're in today will probably be a moot point very soon.

Agree 100%, but I'd hate to see the NCAA hoops & baseball tourneys change much.  Love the underdog stories; Florida Gulf Coast, Butler, Gonzaga, etc.  As a whole, the NCAA is an outdated bureaucracy that's past its usefulness.

My best guess is the Top 64-80 football programs break away and align geographically into 4 super-conferences with 2 divisions each.  Winner from 4 leagues automatically qualify for Playoffs, that will eventually be expanded to 8.

Only potential stumbling block is anti-trust lawsuit from those left out.  Firm criteria will need to be established to have a seat at the BIG BOYS table.  Maybe an English Premier League relegation system is adopted?  

 

[BudreauReye]

Agree 100%, but I'd hate to see the NCAA hoops & baseball tourneys change much.  Love the underdog stories; Florida Gulf Coast, Butler, Gonzaga, etc.  As a whole, the NCAA is an outdated bureaucracy that's past its usefulness.

My best guess is the Top 64-80 football programs break away and align geographically into 4 super-conferences with 2 divisions each.  Winner from 4 leagues automatically qualify for Playoffs, that will eventually be expanded to 8.

Only potential stumbling block is anti-trust lawsuit from those left out.  Firm criteria will need to be established to have a seat at the BIG BOYS table.  Maybe an English Premier League relegation system is adopted?  

This makes a lot of sense, which is probably the kiss of death for any proposal.  Perhaps the ability of the schools to generate income will help determine who gets to sit at the table with the Big Boys.  That might help with any potential anti-trust lawsuit, too -  in other words, if you want to sit at the grown-up's table, ante up in deliverable TV's, seats in the bleachers, and total monies generated..  Fix it so that for a school that wants to be a part of the big time, they have to put up or sit down.

 

[Pancho Negro]

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. . . .but football is the driver. . .you would really rather travel to Manhatten than Clemson. . . .Ames vs Atlanta or Boston

Yes, football is the driver, but adding teams for the sake of "cool travel places for fans" is becoming an elementary and tired "argument". 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Yes, football is the driver, but adding teams for the sake of "cool travel places for fans" is becoming an elementary and tired "argument". 

Well, yeah, because Starkville, Auburn, and College Station are tourist destinations!   :huh:

 

[streettopeschel]

Well, yeah, because Starkville, Auburn, and College Station are tourist destinations!   :huh:

don't forget fayette-nam.

 

[BudreauReye]

Man, I love to travel to the Ozarks, just not during football season.

 

[doc longhorn]

Yes, football is the driver, but adding teams for the sake of "cool travel places for fans" is becoming an elementary and tired "argument". 

+1.

Travel places for fans is a non-issue and just a red herring for those promoting UT bolting from the Big 12.  I don't know why it is even part of expansion discussion.  Only the wealthy can afford trips to the west coast and even they would prefer to be sitting in front of their 60" TV's.

 

[Pancho Negro]

Well, yeah, because Starkville, Auburn, and College Station are tourist destinations!   :huh:

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here....

 

[Topstarr]

...and?

so what... he's gone.

 Are you sure Mack is gone. I see him all the time.

 

[jrcruz1026]

Can we do a comparison between conference for arrests? I would like to see that comparison. ....

This would be dumb of us to do bc we have had some of our young men in trouble many times, IE. Billy Pittman, Ramonce Taylor

 

[castlebravo1]

As far as I'm concerned, the only criteria for judging whether an away game location is attractive is the game day atmosphere.  What city it's in is irrelevant.  I've seen games in Auburn, Fayetteville, Knoxville, Ann Arbor, Madison, Eugene, etc, and the reason those locations kick ass is because of the game day atmosphere.  If the cities are what draw you, then you're going for the wrong reason. 

Hell, TCU is in the metroplex, but would you rather travel to a game there, or Oxford, Miss?  I'd take Oxford any day.  To me, the Big 12 is full of too many TCU type destinations, and not enough Ole Miss destinations.

 

[texasdobbs]

This would be dumb of us to do bc we have had some of our young men in trouble many times, IE. Billy Pittman, Ramonce Taylor

Dumb??? Your talking about guys that were here 5+ years ago... atm gas had what 12 arrests in the last 15 months and I doubt that the big 12 has has 6 or less combined... so get your facts straight before you call something dumb...

 

[Sirhornsalot]

This would be dumb of us to do bc we have had some of our young men in trouble many times, IE. Billy Pittman, Ramonce Taylor

That list would be longer than most of us would like to admit.

 

[collegefootballcrazy.com]

Don't say anything negative about Texas or the Big 12 or it's a pity party or you are a whiner.

The SWC was all Texas schools and THE TEXAS SCHOOL had John Mackovic as it's head coach so Texas is a lot at fault for the collapse of the SWC. Big 12 happens and Nebraska, crybabies that they may be, couldn't wait to get away from us. Colorado scrams for the Pac 12 and Missouri and Aggie go to the SEC. You can blame all of those guys for ruining the Big 12, but I can guarantee you if Texas had been good the last 4 years then everybody would be pimping the Big 12.

That's not a pity party and that's not whining, just the way it is.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Don't say anything negative about Texas or the Big 12 or it's a pity party or you are a whiner.

The SWC was all Texas schools and THE TEXAS SCHOOL had John Mackovic as it's head coach so Texas is a lot at fault for the collapse of the SWC. Big 12 happens and Nebraska, crybabies that they may be, couldn't wait to get away from us. Colorado scrams for the Pac 12 and Missouri and Aggie go to the SEC. You can blame all of those guys for ruining the Big 12, but I can guarantee you if Texas had been good the last 4 years then everybody would be pimping the Big 12.

That's not a pity party and that's not whining, just the way it is.

Mainly these four "couldn't wait to get away from UT (and OU)"  because of money, ego, and none were a serious threat on the gridiron (Ex: NU 1-9 vs UT during the Big12 Era).  Here are some facts most choose to ignore.

• UT didn't break any Big12 rules or bylaws developing Longhorn Network.  Every school had the opportunity to monetize his Tier 3 programming.  We just did it in a "prettier package" with an ESPN-sponsored, designated channel. 
• DeLoss had attempted to work out a "LoneStar Network" deal with A&M and Bill Byrne.  They declined because he "didn't think it would work" and their athletic department was in the red at the time.  DeLoss's proposal didn't have ESPN backing then and would have entailed capital investments by both parties.
• KU had been cashing in on their T3 basketball programming with local, KS and KC affiliated stations, to the tune of $8M+ per year.  UT sees this and asks, "why not us?".  Our media partner IMG brokered the LHN deal with ESPN.  Why wasn't anyone bitching about the Jayhawks hoops deal?  Oh...they don't have their own channel.
• It's been documented that neither NU nor A&M ever voted for "equal distribution of TV money" while Big12 members.  It was okay to distribute the T1 & T2 money in a way that favored them.  Hypocrisy

I won't declare the Big12 "ruined" unless we're shut-out from the CFB Playoffs for consecutive seasons.  The SEC thinks they're entitled to two slots every year.  Yeah, right.  The lowest rated MNC featured Bama vs LSU.  What a shit-show.

I believe the Top 64-80 CFB programs break away from the NCAA and align into 4 NFL-style geographic conferences with 2 divisions each.  8-team playoff.  The money will be obscene.  

Regardless of conference affiliation, UT will be just fine.  We're Texas

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

It sounds to me like @collegefootballcrazy is "whining" about UT because we declined to join the Pac-12.  Let's see...less money, more travel, inconvenient late games on their Pac-12 Network...(I don't get that channel on VerizonFiOS)

What's not to love about that?   :huh: