Statesman reporting Kendall and Meander charged

[North Texas Golfer]

Charlie has suspended both of them indefinitely.

 

[Matt Cotcher]

"We've been monitoring and addressing the situation with Kendall (Sanders) and Montrel (Meander) since it was brought to our attention. It's been made clear to everyone on our team that treating women with respect is one of our core values, and I'm extremely disappointed that two young men in our program have been accused of not doing that. With the recent charges against them, they have been suspended indefinitely from our football team and will no longer participate in any team functions."

 

[armadillo slim]

Not a good situation for these young men, but it's a position that the team can absorb the hit without devastating effect. Yes, Sanders was running 1st team in practice.

well, that explains the lackluster performance in 7 on 7 reports

dumbasses

 

[doc longhorn]

My following comments are made with the assumption the affadavits are true even though I realize due process has not yet been performed.

As the father of a daughter and as a 21st century civilized man, I have a cold burning fury at these muscle bound savages for abusing a powerless young girl - AFTER SHE HAD SAID NO.

I would expect their days at UT to be over - EVEN if they are found innocent of the charges.

Also, as a father of a daughter, I would be beyond broken hearted to learn that my daughter had put herself in this kind of position in the first place.  I understand that young women also can have rampant hormones, but all ethics, morals and family teachings and values can, also, be compromised with alcohol and drugs - even by level headed young girls.  To be clear, I don't know that she was drunk or not - but she had been drinking and she did accompany them to their dorm room - on her own volition.  I'm not defending the animals that attacked her, but I am questioning her lack of intelligence by placing herself in this kind of dangerous situation in the first place.  I make the assumption that she wasn't dragged there and she went on her own accord.

Obviously she made a bad decision (s) and the consequences were horrible.  But, If you stick your hand in a beehive, he chances are you will be stung.

 

[texasdobbs]

Just recieve this email from UT Athletics. ..

Today, Texas Athletics was notified two student-athletes were charged with sexual assault.

At Texas Athletics, we hold all our student-athletes up to high standards. As such, we take situations like this very seriously. You are an important member of our community, and we wanted to communicate the situation with you as soon as possible.

Please find a statement from head football coach Charlie Strong below:

"We've been monitoring and addressing the situation with Kendall (Sanders) and Montrel (Meander) since it was brought to our attention. It's been made clear to everyone on our team that treating women with respect is one of our core values, and I'm extremely disappointed that two young men in our program have been accused of not doing that. With the recent charges against them, they have been suspended indefinitely from our football team and will no longer participate in any team functions."

Due to this being a pending legal matter, we cannot provide any more details. 

Steve Patterson

Men’s Athletics Director

 

[PropositionJoe]

 But, If you stick your hand in a beehive, you should expect to get stung.

this statement bothers me. a woman going home willingly with one man should not expect for another man to force himself on her. 

we spend so much time teaching our women how not to be raped. perhaps we should also start spending equal amounts of time and energy teaching our men not to rape. 

she did absolutely nothing wrong here, and her judgement was perfectly fine. to say otherwise is a ridiculous. 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

My following comments are made with the assumption the affadavits are true even though I realize due process has not yet been performed.

As the father of a daughter and as a 21st century civilized man, I have a cold burning fury at these muscle bound savages for abusing a powerless young girl - AFTER SHE HAD SAID NO.

I would expect their days at UT to be over - EVEN if they are found innocent of the charges.

Also, as a father of a daughter, I would be beyond broken hearted to learn that my daughter had put herself in this kind of position in the first place.  I understand that young women also can have rampant hormones, but all ethics, morals and family teachings and values can, also, be compromised with alcohol and drugs - even by level headed young girls.  To be clear, I don't know that she was drunk or not - but she had been drinking and she did accompany them to their dorm room - on her own volition.  I'm not defending the animals that attacked her, but I am questioning her lack of intelligence by placing herself in this kind of dangerous situation in the first place.  I make the assumption that she wasn't dragged there and she went on her own accord.

Obviously she made a bad decision (s) and the consequences were horrible.  But, If you stick your hand in a beehive, he chances are you will be stung.

You were doing okay until, "To be clear". Everything you said after that was a major train wreck.

 

[streettopeschel]

a couple of y'all have referenced an affidavit about this matter. where are you reading it?

 

[hornag]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/234977068/...endall-Sanders

 

[streettopeschel]

My following comments are made with the assumption the affadavits are true even though I realize due process has not yet been performed.

As the father of a daughter and as a 21st century civilized man, I have a cold burning fury at these muscle bound savages for abusing a powerless young girl - AFTER SHE HAD SAID NO.

I would expect their days at UT to be over - EVEN if they are found innocent of the charges.

Also, as a father of a daughter, I would be beyond broken hearted to learn that my daughter had put herself in this kind of position in the first place.  I understand that young women also can have rampant hormones, but all ethics, morals and family teachings and values can, also, be compromised with alcohol and drugs - even by level headed young girls.  To be clear, I don't know that she was drunk or not - but she had been drinking and she did accompany them to their dorm room - on her own volition.  I'm not defending the animals that attacked her, but I am questioning her lack of intelligence by placing herself in this kind of dangerous situation in the first place.  I make the assumption that she wasn't dragged there and she went on her own accord.

Obviously she made a bad decision (s) and the consequences were horrible.  But, If you stick your hand in a beehive, he chances are you will be stung.

from what i read, she didn't accompany 'them' she went willingly with one of them and the second one came later and forced himself on her. not sure how she could have anticipated THAT happening.

 

[texasdobbs]

Yes anyway you look at this is not a good situation for the boys... even if the allegations are proven to be false, the boys should have not put themselves in this situation. ..

As a father of a daughter I find this to be disgusting and if true they need to be prosecute to the full extent of the law and if it is found not to be true I think Strong should use this as an example and kick them off the team for not following team policies....

 

[alonghorn72]

My following comments are made with the assumption the affadavits are true even though I realize due process has not yet been performed.

As the father of a daughter and as a 21st century civilized man, I have a cold burning fury at these muscle bound savages for abusing a powerless young girl - AFTER SHE HAD SAID NO.

I would expect their days at UT to be over - EVEN if they are found innocent of the charges.

Also, as a father of a daughter, I would be beyond broken hearted to learn that my daughter had put herself in this kind of position in the first place.  I understand that young women also can have rampant hormones, but all ethics, morals and family teachings and values can, also, be compromised with alcohol and drugs - even by level headed young girls.  To be clear, I don't know that she was drunk or not - but she had been drinking and she did accompany them to their dorm room - on her own volition.  I'm not defending the animals that attacked her, but I am questioning her lack of intelligence by placing herself in this kind of dangerous situation in the first place.  I make the assumption that she wasn't dragged there and she went on her own accord.

Obviously she made a bad decision (s) and the consequences were horrible.  But, If you stick your hand in a beehive, he chances are you will be stung.

There is a huge difference between getting drunk and sleeping with someone and getting drunk and raping someone. After reading the affidavit, there is no doubt who is at fault here, if all things are true of course.

 

[streettopeschel]

Yes anyway you look at this is not a good situation for the boys... even if the allegations are proven to be false, the boys should have not put themselves in this situation. ..

As a father of a daughter I find this to be disgusting and if true they need to be prosecute to the full extent of the law and if it is found not to be true I think Strong should use this as an example and kick them off the team for not following team policies....

if it's found out not to be true, meaning the girl made it all up (which would seem unlikely), then why would they be kicked off the team ?

 

[PeteA422]

if it's found out not to be true, meaning the girl made it all up (which would seem unlikely), then why would they be kicked off the team ?

In my opinion,

After reading the affidavit, the police officers would have to be lying as well.  In the affidavit they mention the girl was found under a desk crying, and photos of the girl from that night were on the subjects phone, placing them at the scene (whether they were actually involved or just around). Either way, if a girl is found like that and the two were involved or in a position to stop it and didn't, in my opinion they violated a team core value (treat women with respect).  They either allowed a girl to not be treated with respect or did not treat a girl with respect.  In both scenarios they should be gone from the team.

 

[texasdobbs]

if it's found out not to be true, meaning the girl made it all up (which would seem unlikely), then why would they be kicked off the team ?

I should have been more clear... if the rape charges are found to be untrue but if they broke the team rules then they should be kicked off the team and used as an example. ...

 

[streettopeschel]

In my opinion,

After reading the affidavit, the police officers would have to be lying as well.  In the affidavit they mention the girl was found under a desk crying, and photos of the girl from that night were on the subjects phone, placing them at the scene (whether they were actually involved or just around). Either way, if a girl is found like that and the two were involved or in a position to stop it and didn't, in my opinion they violated a team core value (treat women with respect).  They either allowed a girl to not be treated with respect or did not treat a girl with respect.  In both scenarios they should be gone from the team.

i don't disagree with this. just saying if the whole story isn't true (which, again, seems unlikely at least to me), then it has a different feel to it.

 

[texasdobbs]

In my opinion,

After reading the affidavit, the police officers would have to be lying as well. In the affidavit they mention the girl was found under a desk crying, and photos of the girl from that night were on the subjects phone, placing them at the scene (whether they were actually involved or just around). Either way, if a girl is found like that and the two were involved or in a position to stop it and didn't, in my opinion they violated a team core value (treat women with respect). They either allowed a girl to not be treated with respect or did not treat a girl with respect. In both scenarios they should be gone from the team.

What he said....

 

[Juan]

Do we think this is what Diggs was referencing yesterday?

 

[Bevostuntdouble]

this statement bothers me. a woman going home willingly with one man should not expect for another man to force himself on her. 

we spend so much time teaching our women how not to be raped. perhaps we should also start spending equal amounts of time and energy teaching our men not to rape. 

she did absolutely nothing wrong here, and her judgement was perfectly fine. to say otherwise is a ridiculous. 

With all due respect, I disagree. She put herself in the situation(room). This wasn't a kidnapping case where she was taken from a rather safe place to a dungeon... Im not saying she deserved any of this or anything remotely close to that. She can get no blame for their actions but she can take blame for putting herself in that position. Yes, it is your/my/her responsibility to know your environment and know what is going on. When you don't you lose control of the situation. There is no mention in the very graphic affidavit of her attempting to fight back or forceably leave or scream. No note of physical trauma on the victim, that I read. Ive read other affidavits before and they generally noted "black eye, cut on face, etc." 

 The thing that doesn't seem right to me is that this was a dorm. A dorm where lots of other people live. Nobody heard anything? She didn't scream? She didn't try to physically leave? AGAIN, these are purely questions I have as to how it played out(having not been there). Not justifying anything that happened AT ALL. At this point I find it tough to crucify guys at the mere word of a woman. So many times this has turned out to be a woman looking for money or an embarrassed woman that participated in something willingly and then realized what she had done later. IF the allegations are true they should rot in prision... If they are not true she should be sent to prision. That simple. Either way I don't think they should be allowed back purely for putting themselves in this situation. 

There are just lots of this that don't sound right to me and don't quite add up... Until things become more clear I don't think its fair to absolve anybody in this situation of all blame. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

With all due respect, I disagree. She put herself in the situation. This wasn't a kidnapping case where she was taken from a rather safe place to a dungeon... Im not saying she deserved any of this or anything remotely close to that. She can get no blame for their actions but she can take blame for putting herself in that position. Yes, it is your/my/her responsibility to know your environment and know what is going on. When you don't you lose control of the situation. 

Dude, she expected to have consensual sex with Meander in his dorm room.  Why should she anticipate being raped by Sanders (allegedly)?  

IMO, Meander probably broke curfew and whatever rule CFS has about admitting co-eds into your dorm room after hours.  The alcohol-induced desire probably impaired both her's and Meander's judgement.  I don't know how you rationalize Sanders alleged participation.....or the video.