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shoot i'll give anything to get Haley big time

Here is some LSU SB_Nation stuff on Haley --  

http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2015/1/7/7504287/lsu-defensive-coordinator-candidate-brick-haley

History

Haley's primary experience comes along the defensive line, which he's coached 19 of his 23 years in the profession. The other four years, Haley coached linebackers at Houston, Clemson and Georgia Tech. Doing some digging, I can't quite confirm Haley's full resume. His wikipedia lists that DL at Troy State from 94-96 and served as Defensive Coordinator at Baylor from 99-01. However, I found this old article, which states the following:

Andrea Haley -- Defensive Ends

Andrea Haley comes to the Bears from Clemson University. He has been coaching in the college ranks since 1989 and was the defensive coordinator at Troy State from 1994 to 1996. Haley has also spent time as an assistant head coach at Austin Peay and at Alabama A&M, where he was a Division II all-American linebacker as a player.
Now, first things first, Haley was hired to Baylor to coach defensive ends, but was promoted to Defensive Coordinator three months later, when Mickey Matthews left the program to take a head coaching job. So that resolves that slight conflict of info. However, his wikipedia doesn't reference him being defensive coordinator at Troy State. I'll take his Baylor bio at word, though.

All told, Haley's put together six odd years of coordinating.

Performance

Here's where it's tough to parse through things. Haley's coordinating experience all comes from over a decade ago at much lesser opportunities, one of which he was practically thrust into by necessity. Let's touch more on this later.

At LSU, Haley's been a fairly successful DL coach. Barkevious Mingo, Sam Montgomery, Lavar Edwards, Bennie Logan, Ego Ferguson, Anthony Johnson, Al Woods, and Michael Brockers can all be counted as pupils under his tenure as DL coach, who are now in the NFL. Sending eight players to the league in six seasons is a success by any measure. Jermauria Rasco and Danielle Hunter could make that number 10 in six, if Hunter declares.

On the other hand, there's some valid concerns about his ability to teach quality technique. LSU's DL don't always seem to play the most sound technique, and some players, like Anthony Johnson, never seemed to match their lofty potential. Whether that's the coach or the player can be difficult to discern. An additional point here is that coordinating a defense and coaching a defensive line require different skillsets. It's entirely probable to be great at one and marginal at the other. Football, like most industries, frequently falls victim to the Peter Principle.
The Peter Principle is a concept in management theory in which the selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role.
 
The point here is that the two jobs require different abilities, so to say "well he can't coach the DL well..." (debatable) "...how could he coordinate the defense well?" is to really say nothing at all.
 
Now, let's get back to that coordinating experience. The numbers aren't quite as readily available, and there's no advanced metrics, but here's some raw figures. Keep in mind, from 94-96, Haley was DC at Troy State, an FBS program at the time. 99-01 was his time at Baylor.

[chart omitted]

 There's nothing here that will bring you to your knees. The defense at Troy State improved from an abomination to a solid unit. The defense at Baylor show some improvement, but nothing to ring a bell about.

Philosophy

Who knows? We can presume he'll run a scheme similar to his mentor's, but that's also a presumption. It's hard to imagine Brick would run a scheme all that different to what we currently practice, though. If you want to take the time to dig up 99-01 Baylor film and study the tendencies, well, let me know what you expect.

Recruiting

One of the primary rationales for promoting Brick would be his recruiting ability. Brick earned a stellar reputation early in his LSU tenure for his ability to lure players like Sam Montgomery and Ego Ferguson to Baton Rouge. Based on his 247 profile, Brick's lured 34 commits, which includes his three-year stay at Mississippi State.

The trouble, in recent years, is that Brick seems to finish second... a lot. Champions will acknowledge that Brick gets LSU in the running for many top prospects. Antagonists would acknowledge that... well... if you ain't first, you're last. Hearing a recruit talk up LSU in countless interviews is great, until you are watching that player dominate at another school.

Brick ranks 198th in 247's 2015 National Recruiter Rankings. He ranked 51st in 2014, 121st in 2013, and 64th in 2012. Does this make him an elite recruiter? I don't know. How a website like 247 breaks out recruiters is up for debate. They likely aggregate information from recruits themselves, but that doesn't make it binding. For instance, Steve Ensminger played a heavy part in pulling Jamal Adams to LSU, though he's rarely credited for his efforts.

I remain torn on Brick's recruiting ability. His ability to get LSU in the mix on many recruits is impressive. But his inability to close on those same names keeps me from throwing him into that "elite recruiter" mix.

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Summary

if I'm being entirely honest, this isn't a move I'd like, but I also see it as the most probable. Haley is an okay coach, and a solid recruiter, with unremarkable results as a defensive coordinator. Even if your end game is just getting Ed Orgeron on staff, to what end is it worth it? John Chavis was an average to poor recruiter, but generally knew how to maximize his talent on hand. What could we expect from Haley?

Another thing worth noting is that behind the scenes reports suggest Haley played a heavy hand in developing gameplans and breaking down tape, while essentially serving as Chavis' second hand man. The learning curve from positional coach to DC may not be as steep for him as your typical positional coach.

That said, this isn't a hire I could approach with a ton of confidence. If it lead to the hiring of Orgeron, something controversial in itself, I could maybe justify. But ultimately, if this is the route Miles opts to go, I'm not sure it's the wisest plan to stake your claim on.

---MORE AT THE LINK --- ^^^^^^^^

 
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Here is some LSU SB_Nation stuff on Haley --  

http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2015/1/7/7504287/lsu-defensive-coordinator-candidate-brick-haley

History

Haley's primary experience comes along the defensive line, which he's coached 19 of his 23 years in the profession. The other four years, Haley coached linebackers at Houston, Clemson and Georgia Tech. Doing some digging, I can't quite confirm Haley's full resume. His wikipedia lists that DL at Troy State from 94-96 and served as Defensive Coordinator at Baylor from 99-01. However, I found this old article, which states the following:

Now, first things first, Haley was hired to Baylor to coach defensive ends, but was promoted to Defensive Coordinator three months later, when Mickey Matthews left the program to take a head coaching job. So that resolves that slight conflict of info. However, his wikipedia doesn't reference him being defensive coordinator at Troy State. I'll take his Baylor bio at word, though.

All told, Haley's put together six odd years of coordinating.

Performance

Here's where it's tough to parse through things. Haley's coordinating experience all comes from over a decade ago at much lesser opportunities, one of which he was practically thrust into by necessity. Let's touch more on this later.

At LSU, Haley's been a fairly successful DL coach. Barkevious Mingo, Sam Montgomery, Lavar Edwards, Bennie Logan, Ego Ferguson, Anthony Johnson, Al Woods, and Michael Brockers can all be counted as pupils under his tenure as DL coach, who are now in the NFL. Sending eight players to the league in six seasons is a success by any measure. Jermauria Rasco and Danielle Hunter could make that number 10 in six, if Hunter declares.


On the other hand, there's some valid concerns about his ability to teach quality technique. LSU's DL don't always seem to play the most sound technique, and some players, like Anthony Johnson, never seemed to match their lofty potential. Whether that's the coach or the player can be difficult to discern. An additional point here is that coordinating a defense and coaching a defensive line require different skillsets. It's entirely probable to be great at one and marginal at the other. Football, like most industries, frequently falls victim to the Peter Principle.
 

 
The point here is that the two jobs require different abilities, so to say "well he can't coach the DL well..." (debatable) "...how could he coordinate the defense well?" is to really say nothing at all.
 
Now, let's get back to that coordinating experience. The numbers aren't quite as readily available, and there's no advanced metrics, but here's some raw figures. Keep in mind, from 94-96, Haley was DC at Troy State, an FBS program at the time. 99-01 was his time at Baylor.

[chart omitted]

 There's nothing here that will bring you to your knees. The defense at Troy State improved from an abomination to a solid unit. The defense at Baylor show some improvement, but nothing to ring a bell about.

Philosophy

Who knows? We can presume he'll run a scheme similar to his mentor's, but that's also a presumption. It's hard to imagine Brick would run a scheme all that different to what we currently practice, though. If you want to take the time to dig up 99-01 Baylor film and study the tendencies, well, let me know what you expect.

Recruiting

One of the primary rationales for promoting Brick would be his recruiting ability. Brick earned a stellar reputation early in his LSU tenure for his ability to lure players like Sam Montgomery and Ego Ferguson to Baton Rouge. Based on his 247 profile, Brick's lured 34 commits, which includes his three-year stay at Mississippi State.

The trouble, in recent years, is that Brick seems to finish second... a lot. Champions will acknowledge that Brick gets LSU in the running for many top prospects. Antagonists would acknowledge that... well... if you ain't first, you're last. Hearing a recruit talk up LSU in countless interviews is great, until you are watching that player dominate at another school.

Brick ranks 198th in 247's 2015 National Recruiter Rankings. He ranked 51st in 2014, 121st in 2013, and 64th in 2012. Does this make him an elite recruiter? I don't know. How a website like 247 breaks out recruiters is up for debate. They likely aggregate information from recruits themselves, but that doesn't make it binding. For instance, Steve Ensminger played a heavy part in pulling Jamal Adams to LSU, though he's rarely credited for his efforts.

I remain torn on Brick's recruiting ability. His ability to get LSU in the mix on many recruits is impressive. But his inability to close on those same names keeps me from throwing him into that "elite recruiter" mix.

*****************

Summary

if I'm being entirely honest, this isn't a move I'd like, but I also see it as the most probable. Haley is an okay coach, and a solid recruiter, with unremarkable results as a defensive coordinator. Even if your end game is just getting Ed Orgeron on staff, to what end is it worth it? John Chavis was an average to poor recruiter, but generally knew how to maximize his talent on hand. What could we expect from Haley?

Another thing worth noting is that behind the scenes reports suggest Haley played a heavy hand in developing gameplans and breaking down tape, while essentially serving as Chavis' second hand man. The learning curve from positional coach to DC may not be as steep for him as your typical positional coach.

That said, this isn't a hire I could approach with a ton of confidence. If it lead to the hiring of Orgeron, something controversial in itself, I could maybe justify. But ultimately, if this is the route Miles opts to go, I'm not sure it's the wisest plan to stake your claim on.

---MORE AT THE LINK --- ^^^^^^^^
i'm gonna start calling you professor Juan at the rate you going with all this info

 
What did Hurrt do to have a show-cause order?
Here is an article from Oct 2013 on the NCAA stuff with regard to Hurrt --

"Despite NCAA sanctions, Louisville will keep Clint Hurtt" -- Jonathan Lintner, USA TODAY Sports 3:29 p.m. EDT October 22, 2013

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2013/10/22/miami-ncaa-louisville-sanctions-penalties-clint-hurtt/3149781/?AID=10709313&PID=6146964&SID=i5vga8sinr000eec00dth

The organization also found that Hurtt and another former Miami assistant provided false and misleading information to its investigators, known formally as the 10.1 unethical conduct rule violation.
LOUISVILLE — The University of Louisville announced Tuesday that it will keep assistant football coach Clint Hurtt on staff as he deals with NCAA sanctions stemming from his time at Miami (Fla.).
 
In addition to a two-year show-cause put in place by the NCAA, athletic director Tom Jurich said the organization accepted "further proposed actions" that will be put in place by U of L.  Those that were detailed by the NCAA's report issued Tuesday include:
 
— Hurtt will be banned from any recruiting activity during the rest of this year and through the spring of 2014.
 
— U of L is freezing his compensation for two years.  Additionally, Hurtt will not receive performance raises or bonuses from May 20, 2013, through May 20, 2015.
 
— Hurtt will be required to attend NCAA regional rules seminars in 2014 and 2015 at his own cost.
 
— He faces a "zero tolerance" policy on violations, including secondary violations, during his remaining contract years of 2013-2014 and 2014-2015.
 
Hurtt's punishment comes as a result of him receiving and providing impermissible benefits to recruits while at Miami, according to the NCAA.  The NCAA also alleges Hurtt and another former Miami assistant provided false and misleading information to its investigators, known formally as the 10.1 unethical conduct rule violation.
 
"To the best of his recollection, he was open and honest to everyone involved," Jurich said.
 
The NCAA report, which refers to Hurtt as "former assistant football coach B" and U of L as "Institution C," says U of L has taken steps in the past to help with the investigation.
 
Also, the administrative leave Hurtt took from March 11, 2013, through Aug. 1 was termed a suspension by the NCAA report, which says Louisville was not permitted to replace him during that time.
 
Hurtt had been recruiting star quarterback Teddy Bridgewater for Miami. After Hurtt took the job in Louisville, Bridgewater ended up signing with the Cardinals.  He is considered one of the top quarterbacks in the country and a projected high NFL draft choice.
 
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ps --  There were 3 total Miami assistants who each received a two-year show-cause penalty â€” Clint Hurtt (football), Aubrey Hill (football) and Jorge Fernández (men's basketball)
 
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Perhaps… but just maybe UT is not the “stuffy old school†it used to be.

 
There’s a new AD in town. Would a stuffy old school have hired a black coach named Charlie Strong… over the objections of one booster that has donated more than $100M to UT?
 
"I think the whole thing is a bit sideways," McCombs said of the selection process during an interview with ESPN 1250 San Antonio. "I don't have any doubt that Charlie is a fine coach. I think he would make a great position coach, maybe a coordinator.
"But I don't believe [he belongs at] what should be one of the three most powerful university programs in the world right now at UT-Austin. I don't think it adds up."
 
I also like the idea of searching out HS coaches to fill positions… the recruiting benefit seems worthwhile.
 
But for DL… I’d be more inclined to look for a coach who's a great recruiter with high level D1, or Pro experience… or both. Just my $.02.
 
“A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.†Max Planck
 
“We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.†Albert Einstein
You and I are talking about two different things.  To object to a coach because you think you can do better is one thing, but to object to one because he brought the wrath of the NCAA down on him, and the school, is a totally different matter.  In the latter regard the university is most definitely "stuffy".

Also, one thing about setting core values - you will be intensely watched to see if you adhere to them as well.    Hypocrisy or even the hint of hypocrisy will not be tolerated. 

 
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so that basically means that Strong could get the green light if he wanted to in any case to hire Haley; now im just guessing from my head

 
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so that basically means that Strong could get the green light if he wanted to in any case to hire Haley; now im just guessing from my head

LSU wants us to hire him (for selfish financial reasons)

On Hurrrrrt, it looks to me like he may not be able to coach until October because of the show-cause (but I am not 100% on that)

He is a demonstrated top recruiter, and it looks like he can began recruiting again in Spring 2015

wut about this guy?

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lmao give me lol Denzel Washington lmao Juan...i'll take Denzel before Benedict Cumberbatch

 
If you read the LSU site stuff, Haley has flaws to go along with his strong points.  However, the question is whether or not Strong can help Haley improve on some of those perceived problems.  Recruiting?  IF Haley's got holes in his recruiting skills, Strong can find 'em and fix 'em.  Coaching up D-linemen?  I'm pretty sure Strong and Bedford can help there too.  It almost sounds from reading the article that Haley's got the skills, but they just haven't been sharpened up.  Since he spent some time at Baylor, I'd be interested if there are any Baylor fans on here what their take on Haley is.  I think Strong really wants to hire Hurtt, but if that doesn't happen, I could see Haley as a strong option.

 
If you read the LSU site stuff, Haley has flaws to go along with his strong points.  However, the question is whether or not Strong can help Haley improve on some of those perceived problems.  Recruiting?  IF Haley's got holes in his recruiting skills, Strong can find 'em and fix 'em.  .........
I have read different thoughts on his recruiting prowess

He doesnt rank that high on the lists of recruiters

But others claim he lands whoever he goes after

 
How is it that LSU is able to keep Brick Haley as an assistant when they already have their allotted 10 coaches? if thats the case then lets get Haley or Hurtt or someone else and make them an "administrator". 

 
How is it that LSU is able to keep Brick Haley as an assistant when they already have their allotted 10 coaches? if thats the case then lets get Haley or Hurtt or someone else and make them an "administrator".
They're keeping him as an intern. So far as I know it means he can't recruit or coach players on the field - but it doesn't stop him from breaking down opponents film or LSU players practice tape. Saban does similar at Alabama with coaches as interns. LSU is only doing it because Chavis left after Haley signed his extension.

 
They're keeping him as an intern. So far as I know it means he can't recruit or coach players on the field - but it doesn't stop him from breaking down opponents film or LSU players practice tape. Saban does similar at Alabama with coaches as interns. LSU is only doing it because Chavis left after Haley signed his extension.
Lets us get a top guy to come do that for us. $400K to break down film, damn thats nice. 

 
Lets us get a top guy to come do that for us. $400K to break down film, damn thats nice.
They were going to pay him whether they fire him or have him as an intern. LSU hope is that someone else hires him away. The problem is that Haley has an autistic son and is only willing to go somewhere that has appropriate treatment facilities. It's why he turned down the AtM job.

 
They were going to pay him whether they fire him or have him as an intern. LSU hope is that someone else hires him away. The problem is that Haley has an autistic son and is only willing to go somewhere that has appropriate treatment facilities. It's why he turned down the AtM job.
I have heard about his son. As someone who grew up in Baton Rouge for a decade, Austin has better medical care than BR. 

I still think We should try to Ordgeron or Lupoi or Hurtt. Its not a bad idea to get someone with experience coaching to come in an break down film. It can be very very valuable. IF bama and lsu can have someone of quality doing it, so can we. 

 
This recruiting season has made me feel like I can't keep up.

I guess I'm too old for that sort of nonsense any more. I don't like Twitter. I'm tired of being afraid all the time. I've decided not to stay. I doubt y'all will kick up any fuss. Not for an erratic poster like me. P.S: Tell Carrera I'm sorry I was texting him about Daylon Mack. No hard feelings. Brasky.
Hey, HEY. Get your butt back in here, sit down, shut up and start posting. You hear me? Well do Ya?

 
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