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still a dick move by SP. If barnes is the guy, keep him. If he's not fire him. Be the boss and make a decision.
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Gotta give Barnes props, though, for being a stand-up guy if he refuses to can his assistants. That's admirable loyalty. Of course, his $1.5 MM buy-out doesn't hurt either.
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I'll have to wait and see. I have no doubt Patterson is talking to other coaches right now like Marshall. Do you fire Barnes if nobody decent is available? I don't mind the ultimatum in terms of assistant coaches, my question still remains is Barnes the best available head coach for Texas.
FYI I personally like Lanier. I think we could upgrade over Springmann and Ogden.
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Bomb, yes you either decide barnes is or isn't your guy. If he is support him 100%. If he's not, cut ties.
This half ass 'maybe I'll keep him if he fired some assts or maybe I won't if I can get this guy' is weak management.
Patterson is paid big money to make big decisions. Make one.
This half ass 'maybe I'll keep him if he fired some assts or maybe I won't if I can get this guy' is weak management.
Patterson is paid big money to make big decisions. Make one.
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We can agree to disagree.
If the status quo isn't working you have to make changes. That should probably start at the top but if there isn't a better coach available, you need to make changes in other areas.
Like I said above, I have no doubt that Patterson is communicating with other head coaches right now. If Barnes is the best option we have right now......you wouldn't want any changes?
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It should PROBABLY start at the top? Ya think?
What lame duck assts could UT bring in that would change things? Quick...name Calipari's assistants. Or K's. Basketball isn't football. The head coach IS the program.
What lame duck assts could UT bring in that would change things? Quick...name Calipari's assistants. Or K's. Basketball isn't football. The head coach IS the program.
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There's no denying the change should come at the top, but what if that isn't an option? Other than Gregg Marshall name a coach that seems to be looking around? I would guess Patterson is talking with several coaches and getting an idea of what's available (much like MSU did with Ray).
I disagree about the assistants. You bring up Calipari....he has arguably the best assistant in the game in Kenny Payne (will most likely be coaching a big time program in a couple years). I have no clue who Texas would bring in. I know Ogden and Springmann are only on the staff because of their recruiting......they are essentially a warm body on the sideline when it comes to in game adjustments and game planning.
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This is widely known. Barnes' staff exists simply for recruiting purposes, which is part of the problem. The head coach is the program but you need some guys on the bench that at least help a little bit in development, game planning, etc.
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Barnes is what he is at this point. Jettisoning an asst won't change that. Patterson needs to have the balls to stick with him or move on. Unconditionally. And if SP is hesitant because he doesn't think he can attract a decent coach then we've hired the wrong AD.
Sorry bomb. If it's playing out that 'well I don't think he's the guy, but maybe I cant get a better guy, but I don't know...' Jeez.
Sorry bomb. If it's playing out that 'well I don't think he's the guy, but maybe I cant get a better guy, but I don't know...' Jeez.
This seems as good a guess as any in terms of how much time Barnes can buy himself by throwing his assistants under the team bus.
I am surprised some of you are willing to put up with 3 more years of this
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I am surprised some of you are willing to put up with 3 more years of this
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This is how most coaching searches play out.
The same thing happened at Mississippi State a week ago. Mississippi State knew Ray wasn't the guy, but he might have been the best option. They put out feelers and they got Howland.
It's not crazy to think that right now Patterson knows Barnes isn't "his guy" but still might be the best option available. I'm not involved in the coaching search so I'm not sure what's going on behind closed doors. Is Barnes the best option available, who knows.
I would like to see a coaching change but I also understand it's going to be fairly difficult to upgrade (I know that might be hard for some people to believe). I don't mind the assistant coach ultimatum one bit though.
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If Barnes does make changes to his staff, what assistant would want to come to a situation with a possible lame duck head coach? None. So he is left with no choice but to keep his staff, which Patterson has said needs to change or Barnes is gone. So my guess is Barnes will resign.
Juan Grande, I am not willing to put up with one more year of Barnes, much less 3 years.
Hook Em!
Juan Grande, I am not willing to put up with one more year of Barnes, much less 3 years.
Hook Em!
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We disagree. We knew McWilliams was done when he was done. We knew Mackovic was done. Hell we knew when Brown was done. It wasn't 'he's done if we can find someone better'. Done is done. Rick is done. a new asst coach doesn't change that.
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that would be fine, but why the charade of firing assistants?
That's what I mean by resigning with honor. Makes it look like Rick quit rather than firing his coaches.
Just throwing that out there.
puss move by Patterson and on the heels of him being a "basketball guru" (a farce as he has NEVER run a basketball team, ownership ran them, especially in Portland, level 1 info from a Vulcan exec right there).
Patterson just lost my vote of confidence, if anyone is looking for it from me. Perhaps he doesn't want to make a decision because the pickings are bare... but they will be next year, too.
Nope, Patterson is terrible. It's what happens when you "money whip" people into positions. You buy complacency instead of making him earn it through performance. Shit, we nearly tripled his salary at ASI (I think).
Next year will be more of the same. Better to just ignore basketball until changes are made. Just like Mack Brown's final season, it was an abortion that set us back 4 or 5 years. Basketball won't be relevant for about 3 years and that's IF Barnes is relplaced next year.
Patterson just lost my vote of confidence, if anyone is looking for it from me. Perhaps he doesn't want to make a decision because the pickings are bare... but they will be next year, too.
Nope, Patterson is terrible. It's what happens when you "money whip" people into positions. You buy complacency instead of making him earn it through performance. Shit, we nearly tripled his salary at ASI (I think).
Next year will be more of the same. Better to just ignore basketball until changes are made. Just like Mack Brown's final season, it was an abortion that set us back 4 or 5 years. Basketball won't be relevant for about 3 years and that's IF Barnes is relplaced next year.
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