Post Game Thoughts

[MBHORNSFAN]

I am utterly amazed that we're even having a discussion about bringing back a coach who is 6-7, 5-7 and probably will be 6 & 6. MY god the bar gets lower and lower... Can we at least all admit we're not a blue blood football program? 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I respectfully disagree every time I hear "may be coaching for his job" when referring to a game this year.  Baring an unmitigated disaster this year, he was always coming back in 2017.  CS will be back next year and truly coaching for his job at that time.  He was never really in jeopardy of losing his job this year. 

First sentence - Correct. He has never been coaching for his job in a game this year.

Second sentence - Correct again. Was always the case.

Third sentence - First part is correct but second part is not. He will be back but he will not be coaching for his job next year either.

Fourth sentence - Correct. 

 

[Bear19]

First sentence - Correct. He has never been coaching for his job in a game this year.

Second sentence - Correct again. Was always the case.

Third sentence - First part is correct but second part is not. He will be back but he will not be coaching for his job next year either.

Fourth sentence - Correct.

Damn depressing.

I am sick of this shit.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Strong is tops when it comes to discipline, a very good recruiter and scores high on player loyalty (not sure how much this matters when it comes to winning football games).  Beyond that, I have a hard time coming up with a coaching trait that he has excelled at while here.  I am seeing something completely different than RickFlair that would make him say the Longhorns "are improving."  Performance does not merit a fourth year, but I believe brevity does.  In some circles it is considered classless to fire a coach after only three seasons, so Texas will not. 

I respectfully disagree every time I hear "may be coaching for his job" when referring to a game this year.  Baring an unmitigated disaster this year, he was always coming back in 2017.  CS will be back next year and truly coaching for his job at that time.  He was never really in jeopardy of losing his job this year. 

Tell me why UT has not released an official statement saying he is back in 2017 ? You don't  think it would help with recruiting etc?  

Also you state that unless there was a "Disaster" well what do you call 5-5 in year 3? 

Lets see what happens if we end up 6 & 6....

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

First sentence - Correct. He has never been coaching for his job in a game this year.

Second sentence - Correct again. Was always the case.

Third sentence - First part is correct but second part is not. He will be back but he will not be coaching for his job next year either.

Fourth sentence - Correct. 

LMAO.... You cannot be serious? 

 

[North Texas Golfer]

LMAO.... You cannot be serious? 

Afraid so. 

You do realize that I'm not saying that I support what I'm saying is going to happen. I just think the administration has little to no aptitude to rock the boat and that they will not do so barring a losing season.

 

[Coal Harbour]

The interesting part of Strong's tenure is that he has checked off quite a few boxes.  Overall talent on the roster has improved through recruiting despite taking over a program that had lost its shine.  Has made some good decisions regarding assistants with bringing in Traylor, who has killed it in recruiting, Gilbert, who has proven himself to be an up and coming coordinator and Mattox has the OL playing better than at any other time under Strong.

The issue is obvious, win total.  Athletic Director Mike Perrin would be held responsible if he makes a move, right now, this is Patterson's hire.  Its like a "get out of jail free" card that Perrin has.  That's why I think Strong is safe longer than what fans would be comfortable with, timeline wise.  The conference is getting weaker and UT is slowly getting better.  Its a mirage, but UT will start putting up win totals of 8, 9 or 10 and it will happen by next year. 

 

[Juan]

Texas opens as an early 22.5-point road favorite vs Kansas

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Texas opens as an early 22.5-point road favorite vs Kansas

Texas will win by almost double the above point spread. Or more.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

Tell me why UT has not released an official statement saying he is back in 2017 ? You don't  think it would help with recruiting etc?  

Also you state that unless there was a "Disaster" well what do you call 5-5 in year 3? 

Lets see what happens if we end up 6 & 6....

I'm just not convinced that Fenves and Perrin see 5-5 or 6-6 as the disaster that you and I see it as. 

The bottom line is that the final 2 games should have absolutely no bearing on whether Charlie is back or not. Fenves and Perrin should already know what they are doing either way. If they don't know by now, then it tells me that they are incompetent. My guess is that they already know their decision and that Charlie is returning.

And my sources have confirmed that Charlie will definitely be back next year. Unless he is not.  

 

[RickyFlair]

Good for you.

I for one am amazed how you are content with a head coach who is sub .500 after three years at 5 million per year. 

This isnt a popularity contest.  Its football.  I want wins.

Did you throw a fit about Strong's temper tantrum during OSU game last year?

I agree Dana is a punk and should have been flagged multiple times but I dont buy into your diversion (atleast my coach is classier than yours) tactic.

This chart is my enthusiasm level from game 1 to the last game every single season since Strong has been head coach.

I am utterly jaded Mr Charlie Strong.  I doubt he ever wins here.  He has more talent than most teams yet finds a way to lose.  Why is that?  Ask Strong post game and he has the same reason 3 years later..."when you think about it...its execution."  derp

My post was not an endorsement of Coach Strong and our current situation. I'm sickened by our lack of success and would wholeheartedly agree in a coaching change IF it was a definite upgrade not another "up and comer" with a different name. The topic was "post game thoughts" What I am saying is (as bad as it is now and it is bad) I could tolerate it more than seeing Dana Holgorsen on the UT sideline. I dislike him so much that I would be willing to stand pat if he was considered the replacement. Winning is the most important gauge and Dana is good for 7 or 8 in a good year (he's reached 10 once) and 50-50 in bowl games. Those numbers don't allow you to be a punk. My only post game thought (if I'm not repetitive about our failures) is Dana Holgorsen acted like a total bitch.

 

[Harrison Wier]

So if Charlie beats KU is he back regardless of what happens in the last 2 games provided they are not blowouts? Or must he win the TCU game? Or must he run the table and a bowl win? I think if he wins at KU he is back regardless of the last 2 if they are respectable. If he loses to KU, he is gone. KU looks like a must win. No inside information, but just my opinion.

There's no reason they should not beat KU. They are terrible. If this team plays like they did against WVU, they'll beat TCU. If he is at 6-6, he has to win the bowl game imo. It's going to be interesting at that point

 

[Harrison Wier]

The interesting part of Strong's tenure is that he has checked off quite a few boxes.  Overall talent on the roster has improved through recruiting despite taking over a program that had lost its shine.  Has made some good decisions regarding assistants with bringing in Traylor, who has killed it in recruiting, Gilbert, who has proven himself to be an up and coming coordinator and Mattox has the OL playing better than at any other time under Strong.

The issue is obvious, win total.  Athletic Director Mike Perrin would be held responsible if he makes a move, right now, this is Patterson's hire.  Its like a "get out of jail free" card that Perrin has.  That's why I think Strong is safe longer than what fans would be comfortable with, timeline wise.  The conference is getting weaker and UT is slowly getting better.  Its a mirage, but UT will start putting up win totals of 8, 9 or 10 and it will happen by next year. 

Let's put it this way. If Strong stays he knows that next year he must turn the tides. 9 wins or over has to happen for him, and that's a fact.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

There's no reason they should not beat KU. They are terrible. If this team plays like they did against WVU, they'll beat TCU. If he is at 6-6, he has to win the bowl game imo. It's going to be interesting at that point

You don't wait to see what happens in a bowl game. If what happens in a bowl game has any bearing on Charlie's future, then the people making that decision are incompetent. 

 

[Harrison Wier]

You don't wait to see what happens in a bowl game. If what happens in a bowl game has any bearing on Charlie's future, then the people making that decision are incompetent. 

I'm not sure I see that point. Ridding of your coach before the bowl game basically throws that game away. Your team chemistry is gone. They very well may do so, but I don't agree with it. However, you're entitled to your opinion as well and I see where you're coming from. I would just like you to expand on your point

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I'm not sure I see that point. Ridding of your coach before the bowl game basically throws that game away. Your team chemistry is gone. They very well may do so, but I don't agree with it. However, you're entitled to your opinion as well and I see where you're coming from. I would just like you to expand on your point

My thoughts are derived from having been in the business world in a leadership capacity and having managed people during that time. 

1. It is unfathomable to me that people as intelligent as Fenves and Perrin would make a decision based on the outcome of one game. You make decisions based on the whole body of work. 

2. If you make a decision based on 1 game, you have essentially thrown the previous 12 games out the window. They have meant absolutely nothing. There is nothing that you are going to see in game 13 that you haven't already seen in the previous 12. 

3. After 12 games, you should absolutely know what course of action you want to take. It's inexcusable if you don't and means you are an indecisive leader. There's an old saying, and I'll use the cleaned up version, that you need to either poop or get off the pot. 

As far as ridding your coach before a bowl game, it is far better to let him go immediately after the regular season is over. You want to give a new coach as much time as possible to be with his new team, put together a staff, and began talking to recruits. 

 

[mctmatt]

At this point  I am actually experiencing Charlie Strong staying or going fatigue.  Looks like the tide has turned for many especially Bohls and Golden at the American Statement for keeping Charlie another year as they both encourage everyone to wait just one more year in both of their articles this past Sunday.  They seemed to have seen a lot from the WVU loss to show that this team is showing some real improvements. I am at this point just tired as this season was a huge disappointment for me as a Longhorn fan and my trust and faith in Charlie is just not there anymore.  If he stays then it will be about a Longhorn team that wins 7 or 8 games next year and we will be expected to wait until the next year.  

 

[Bear19]

With Charlie Strong it is always going to be wait until next year.

We have become aggy.

 

[streettopeschel]

'Is there a better coaching candidate than Strong...'

You mean other than ALL of them?

Ok...exaggerating. Slightly. The worst of many bad reasons to keep an underachieving coach is because you're afraid of the unknown.

Two questions. 1) do you ever see Charlie winning a NC? 2)...Is Herman (or others) more likely to produce better or worse results?

Go from there.