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1) Do championships no longer matter?2) Over the last several seasons, Saban's wins and loses are much more impressive than Briles.

3) Alabama wasn't exactly winning championships before Saban got there. To chalk his championships up to just having better players is fallacy in my opinion because he brought those players in.
1) Absolutely, but I wouldn't hire Barry Switzer even if I was at OU to compete in 2014. Saban is probably the best college coach ever but it's possible the game is evolving in a way that doesn't suit him.

2) Their resumes are apples to oranges at this point. Briles hasn't coached at a place with the sort of resources and prestige that Alabama or even LSU has.

3) Saban has been incredible. Would we even allow him to oversign the way he does at bama which has been a pretty big advantage? Are the fast paced offenses that he is lobbying the NCAA to restrain (why is that?) a bit more than he can handle? I honestly don't know for sure, just tinkering with these ideas.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Saban it's just that if we could have anyone at this point I think I'd prefer Briles.

 
1) Absolutely, but I wouldn't hire Barry Switzer even if I was at OU to compete in 2014. Saban is probably the best college coach ever but it's possible the game is evolving in a way that doesn't suit him. 2) Their resumes are apples to oranges at this point. Briles hasn't coached at a place with the sort of resources and prestige that Alabama or even LSU has.

3) Saban has been incredible. Would we even allow him to oversign the way he does at bama which has been a pretty big advantage? Are the fast paced offenses that he is lobbying the NCAA to restrain (why is that?) a bit more than he can handle? I honestly don't know for sure, just tinkering with these ideas.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Saban it's just that if we could have anyone at this point I think I'd prefer Briles.

He recruits his defensive players to go against the LSUs, UGAs, USCjrs, Floridas, etc. I think if he came to Texas he'd recruit defensive players that are more geared to defend the spread. Just guessing though.

 
1) Absolutely, but I wouldn't hire Barry Switzer even if I was at OU to compete in 2014. Saban is probably the best college coach ever but it's possible the game is evolving in a way that doesn't suit him. 2) Their resumes are apples to oranges at this point. Briles hasn't coached at a place with the sort of resources and prestige that Alabama or even LSU has.

3) Saban has been incredible. Would we even allow him to oversign the way he does at bama which has been a pretty big advantage? Are the fast paced offenses that he is lobbying the NCAA to restrain (why is that?) a bit more than he can handle? I honestly don't know for sure, just tinkering with these ideas.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Saban it's just that if we could have anyone at this point I think I'd prefer Briles.
I agree that Saban needs a DC with some experience defending the Spread. Also, what if Saban brought in a new age OC, someone like Chad Morris or Scott Frost? That is the best of both worlds, be able to defend multiple types of O and be able to put up a good number of points on O.

 
I agree that Saban needs a DC with some experience defending the Spread. Also, what if Saban brought in a new age OC, someone like Chad Morris or Scott Frost? That is the best of both worlds, be able to defend multiple types of O and be able to put up a good number of points on O.
Yeah that would be probably ideal because clearly Saban creates a winning and intense culture.

I'm not really up to speed on this so maybe it's no longer happening or doesn't happen to the degree that I've heard but.... What about the oversigning? Would he be allowed to even pull that here? I mean, it seems like he gets 2 recruiting classes to everyone else's one. He grayshirts, redshirts, whatevershirts people and has a year to evaluate them and then can make room if he doesn't have it by running off an upperclassmen or pull the scholly from the grayshirt. What a huge advantage if I'm understanding that process properly and one that I'm not sure would fly at Texas or anywhere in the Big 12. I think Auburn and LSU do this as well.

I admit I could be way off base here but this has been my understanding.

 
I think a lot of people are missing some moving parts when talking about any "done deal" coaching change at Texas.

Who are the people making the decision? Powers? Jamail? Deloss? All three? Some other big money types? Think about it. Any assumption that a new head coach search is well under way assumes wither a new AD has been chosen and is building his new staff aor that whoever comes in as the new AD will be presented with his new head coach and will fall in line with the decision? Which is it? I think whoever says with any certainty they know who the next head coach will be is full of sh!t. If they were aware of the decisions going on with the HC search, they would know who is making the decision and no one is claiming to know that. How can someone be such an insider they know the decision that has been made but has no clue who made it?

I am more interested in just how deep the house cleaning will be inside Bellmont. If there are 100 new faces, there is no way the new AD is going to pick any coach who isn't currently a high level college HC. With all the staff turmoil that is going to go on with any level of house cleaning over 25 when h new AD takes over, we would be FAR better off keeping Mack than bringing in coach who, while talented, may not know all the little details necessary to keep a program like ours moving forward. The last thing we want is an amateur administrator in place as HC when the AD is distracted with a thousand details and is both trying to build a new admin staff and mold them into a cohesive unit. Gruden, Tomlin, etc are not adept at running college programs. Nor do they have deep connections with texas high school coaches for recruiting.

Before I believe someone has inside info on the next coach, I want to know from this someone who is making the decision and how deep the housecleaning will be at Bellmont. Those are two fundamental questions that haven't been discussed much, if at all.

Anyone have any input on the answers? Also, if anyone has any info on those questions, who has decided on what Mack's role within the program will be moving forward and who decided on that? Does anyone really think a new AD is going to come in and accept a HC picked by big donors and that coach will have Mach looking over his shoulder every minute while Bellmont is in chaos and the new AD is still trying to figure out the names of the donors around the state and where the men's room is?

 
I agree that Saban needs a DC with some experience defending the Spread. Also, what if Saban brought in a new age OC, someone like Chad Morris or Scott Frost? That is the best of both worlds, be able to defend multiple types of O and be able to put up a good number of points on O.
Chad Morris won't happen, he has a huge buyout for a lateral (in regards to job title) move. What if Dana Holgy gets fired? He could be an interesting OC candidate.

 
I think a lot of people are missing some moving parts when talking about any "done deal" coaching change at Texas.
Who are the people making the decision? Powers? Jamail? Deloss? All three? Some other big money types? Think about it. Any assumption that a new head coach search is well under way assumes wither a new AD has been chosen and is building his new staff aor that whoever comes in as the new AD will be presented with his new head coach and will fall in line with the decision? Which is it? I think whoever says with any certainty they know who the next head coach will be is full of sh!t. If they were aware of the decisions going on with the HC search, they would know who is making the decision and no one is claiming to know that. How can someone be such an insider they know the decision that has been made but has no clue who made it?

I am more interested in just how deep the house cleaning will be inside Bellmont. If there are 100 new faces, there is no way the new AD is going to pick any coach who isn't currently a high level college HC. With all the staff turmoil that is going to go on with any level of house cleaning over 25 when h new AD takes over, we would be FAR better off keeping Mack than bringing in coach who, while talented, may not know all the little details necessary to keep a program like ours moving forward. The last thing we want is an amateur administrator in place as HC when the AD is distracted with a thousand details and is both trying to build a new admin staff and mold them into a cohesive unit. Gruden, Tomlin, etc are not adept at running college programs. Nor do they have deep connections with texas high school coaches for recruiting.

Before I believe someone has inside info on the next coach, I want to know from this someone who is making the decision and how deep the housecleaning will be at Bellmont. Those are two fundamental questions that haven't been discussed much, if at all.

Anyone have any input on the answers? Also, if anyone has any info on those questions, who has decided on what Mack's role within the program will be moving forward and who decided on that? Does anyone really think a new AD is going to come in and accept a HC picked by big donors and that coach will have Mach looking over his shoulder every minute while Bellmont is in chaos and the new AD is still trying to figure out the names of the donors around the state and where the men's room is?
From what I've gathered it's Rowling, Hicks bros, Powers and Rex with Abbott in their corner. Red is on board and Joe has been in Mack's corner but he might step aside as well. This is just from reading various inside posts, chats and humidors, etc, no personal inside info.

 
From what I've gathered it's Rowling, Hicks bros, Powers and Rex with Abbott in their corner. Red is on board and Joe has been in Mack's corner but he might step aside as well. This is just from reading various inside posts, chats and humidors, etc, no personal inside info.
And we are supposed to assume we are going to get a big name AD (Luck?) who is comfortable with the bog money donors making the decisions for the program and the AD is just going to do what he is told by the outsiders?!

I just have a tough time accepting that any AD is going to be wok with having no input into the decisions. We also have to replace Plonsky, Barnes and Augie. Is the new AD going to sit in the corner until others tell him what decisions have been made and then do as he is told in those instances, also? And then the big money guys will tell the new AD what Mack's new position will be? Something doesn't seem right. No one would take the position if he was going to have a half-dozen Jerry Jones' telling him what he will be doing at any time.

I'm still saying that if someone knows with any certainty who the HC is going to be, he also knows who the new AD is and what Mack's position in the program will be. If Luck truly is the next AD, he will have decided how extensive the house cleaning will be within Bellmont and what Mack's role will be moving on. People would be MUCH more comfortable talking about those issues than who the next HC will be (remember the Les Miles to Michigan fiasco). I'm not hearing anyone claim to have the inside info on the easy stuff. I sure am not believing anyone has anything but a speculative guess about what is being discussed possible outside Oliver Luck as AD.

 
Luck and Patterson both have ties to Saban so if that's the route that the committee is going I doubt they'd mind.

Personally, I have a feeling that Luck is being informed one way or another of what is going on and since he'll be in his position by the middle of November that gives the committee and AD plenty of time to work together or at least give the appearance of working together. At the end of the day, it's not going to matter who the AD is, there's going to be a committee who's going to be the major decision maker on a move like this. The AD can do whatever he wants with basketball and baseball, but when it comes to football there's going to be a lot of influential people involved. That's just how it works.

 
At the end of the day, it's not going to matter who the AD is, there's going to be a committee who's going to be the major decision maker on a move like this. The AD can do whatever he wants with basketball and baseball, but when it comes to football there's going to be a lot of influential people involved. That's just how it works.
And here is the problem with the position at UT. Any top professional is going to have an ego and a lot of confidence. If the AD is going to be held accountable for the success of the new HC, he is going to want input on that decision. No intelligent person is going to sign off on someone else making the most important decision of his job and then agree to he held be accountable for the success of someone other person's decision.

I know Deloss didn't want Mack, but he sure had input into the decision and at the end of the day had to sign off on it. The program is miles ahead of where it was when Mack was hired. Having the big donors, make coaching decisions is one step from having them name the starting QB and calling the plays. If we have such a weak personality as AD that other people make all the big decisions, we are in HUGE trouble throughout the program until that AD leaves. We need a leader as AD, not a spineless twit.

 
I don't think there is any AD that will mind when the BMD tell him we gonna bring in Saban but I do see ur point.

 
From what I've gathered it's Rowling, Hicks bros, Powers and Rex with Abbott in their corner. Red is on board and Joe has been in Mack's corner but he might step aside as well. This is just from reading various inside posts, chats and humidors, etc, no personal inside info.
Bingo!

I would say that the new AD will be apprised of the "Plan" before coming on board. I also believe the new AD will be right in step with the "Plan" and of course will have a voice in the decision making. This isn't any different than any other major program where the BMD's run the show.

 
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mcphaul how much money is being offered in regards to paying for assistants? Using last year's salaries, we were already paying nearly $3.5 million for the assistants. Are we looking to move that up to 5+?

 
Bingo!
I would say that the new AD will be apprised of the "Plan" before coming on board.
Do u see a danger in letting someone know our plans b4 they are hired? if they don't end up as the AD, that could come back around on us?

 
mcphaul how much money is being offered in regards to paying for assistants? Using last year's salaries, we were already paying nearly $3.5 million for the assistants. Are we looking to move that up to 5+?
I can't tell you exact figures. What I can tell you is that we do not want to be the training ground for coordinators to leave after two years of service so, the plan is going to be to pay them handsomely to maintain continuity within the staff in order to implement this new program.

 
Chad Morris won't happen, he has a huge buyout for a lateral (in regards to job title) move. What if Dana Holgy gets fired? He could be an interesting OC candidate.
what about the OC @ Ohio State.........good OC and got masters from UT forgot his name

 
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