J.B. TexasEx
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We don't have a "code" at UT, Mike. We have 5 Core Values. Read it, learn it, live it.
Kevin Sumlin is a winner.
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Sweet picture.
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Which phrase - "Kicking kids off the team is easy"? I've followed him pretty close (all the way back to UH) and this is the first time I have heard him say it. Maybe you have a link?
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Actually, Monarch, aggy also represents the state of Texas - where we reside. As the second flagship school in the state and as our chief rival for Texas recruits they cannot be ignored. They do not operate in a vacuum and they can, do and have affected our university mightily.
Charlie Strong is dismissing players, it appears, for breaking his core rules. We have only had two dismissed for felony charges. Aggy, on the other hand, have dismissed their players for criminal activities - because they had to. This is quite a bit different than us and, frankly, i've seen no evidence that Sumlin has expressed any core values of his own. I have, on the other hand, seen Johnny Manziels' core values and I will give Sumlin credit for benching him the first half of the Rice game. This showed everyone that Sumlin's discipline sword is mighty and swift.
All this being said, I get what you are trying to say. And your point has some validity.
Also, I am curious as to why you think the Big 12 is "struggling"? This is a serious question.
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doc, just what in the world is going on here! i had an opportunity to reference BOTH of those shocking affidavits.. and i damn near had to run outside clutching my stomach. i can honestly assure you, that the officers that had to sign upon the dotted line that horrible evening..... definitely were in the opinion, that these alleged incidents were indeed CRIMINAL OFFENSES should they be so proven! ok now, you see.. this is the very thing that just kills me with the stalwarts upon OUR SIDE... we need to STOP acting as though we are so much better than aTm... when everyone in the nation, may now see that the TEXAS HOUSE has some very ominous cracks upon our BILLION DOLLAR foundation. just why in the HELL, are we constantly concerned vs worried about what goes on upon someone else's territory, when we have so very much to be concerned with upon our own acreage? now, you are mentioning to me that "aTm shares the state of texas where we reside", well, upon my view.. so does govenor rick perry. for whom has become a global embarrassment as per our great state of texas... this does not mean that every time i decide to blink my eye.. i have to resort to voicing my utmost concerns, regarding this statewide anomaly / clown. (oh, and before i choose to forget... he's an aggie) also, by the way doc.. my "point" has indeed a lot of validity. we need to mind our own damn business at TEXAS. and learn to incorporate a page or two, as per our new head coach.. LET'S START CLEANING UP OUR OWN HOUSE!
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Monarch, I simply don't understand your thinking on this. You profess to care about the young men; however, it appears to me you are all over the place in your thinking. Following is an excerpt from your response:
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the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, has just lost up to 6 of our players.. upon the most profound and haphazard manner. this should indeed be our most primary mode of concern. we have our very own house to place back into order. .........monarch
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I would like to make several points, some of which you may not be aware, 1) we did not lose these players in a haphazard manner. Strong was patient and methodical. Student athletes were given 6 months to meet clearly defined expectations, 2) we are putting our house in order, as you protest, and 3) chronic disregard by a few, of the efforts of the group, is tantamount to saying 'yay me and screw you'. Strong has reportedly given these jokers multiple (3+) opportunities to clean up their act, but the privilege of a scholarship at The University Of Texas evidently did not mean enough to them to do so. I have read reports that Strong went so far as to stay in touch with their parents and keep them abreast of the situation throughout. Given these efforts, those players need to be gone. They aren't 10 years old. They are old enough to be responsible for their actions. Accountability is a part of life.
Enough is enough!
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the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, has just lost up to 6 of our players.. upon the most profound and haphazard manner. this should indeed be our most primary mode of concern. we have our very own house to place back into order. .........monarch
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I would like to make several points, some of which you may not be aware, 1) we did not lose these players in a haphazard manner. Strong was patient and methodical. Student athletes were given 6 months to meet clearly defined expectations, 2) we are putting our house in order, as you protest, and 3) chronic disregard by a few, of the efforts of the group, is tantamount to saying 'yay me and screw you'. Strong has reportedly given these jokers multiple (3+) opportunities to clean up their act, but the privilege of a scholarship at The University Of Texas evidently did not mean enough to them to do so. I have read reports that Strong went so far as to stay in touch with their parents and keep them abreast of the situation throughout. Given these efforts, those players need to be gone. They aren't 10 years old. They are old enough to be responsible for their actions. Accountability is a part of life.
Enough is enough!
Monarch, I don't know where you are going with this either!
I, as well, read the affidavits, and I thought they were disgusting. Strong would have been absolutely wrong to dismiss the players before the police felt their case was strong enough to file charges. He said that if charges were filed, the players would be suspended. They were. If they are found guilty, I have no doubt they will go to jail Tough enough for you?
No one is sweeping anything under the carpet, unlike some other programs.
Strong didn't creat this mess, but he certainly seems to be cleaning it up rather expeditiously. Or do you think he should have acted more hastily? That would have been tragic, for everyone, should there have been no case.
3 questions:
1) Where do you get the idea we are not putting our house in order? It took years to create this culture. Charlie has made great strides in cleaning it out in only 6 months, while giving the athletes an opportunity to correct their behavior. Seems fairly expeditious to me.
2) Perry is an embarrassment. Just what do you want us to do about it? He won't be Governor again, but A&M has had an interim President for 11 1/2 months. I wonder why? I've heard rumblings that Perry wants to be the President of A&M. (lol)
btw, did you follow up with any of the email addresses or phone numbers I posted when Powers was unders attack, so that Perry and his cronies couldn't influence The University more than they have?
3) Do you know that there is someone, very active on Texags, posting under the name monarch?
You seem like a person who believes everyone should get a fair shake. I am asking you be fair to Charlie. I happen to think he is pretty remarkable.
Goodnight!
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java, somehow, i think that you may have become a bit guilty of overthinking my mode's of concern to the degree.. that you have made the dialogue quite unnecessarily ambiguous. in fact, you and i are actually upon the very same page here.. to some degree. please allow for me to explain. as i reference my copied text above, i can now see that you have misrepresented my point completely. you didn't do this intentionally, but somehow, at some point.. it became a bit misrepresented. when i made that particular statement copied above.. i was only relaying my complete shock.. at how this whole scenario played out as per the last couple of day's beyond the UNDER THE LIGHT'S Event vs the BIG 12 Media Event. as you may recall, as both of these extremely successful events concluded, TEXAS, was riding a bit of a significant wave of momentum moving forward. then a day or so later.. BAM! BOOM! BAM! sanders vs meander.. sexual assault incident becomes known to all, and now they are gone. BAM! BOOM! BAM! more UT players, are now being released as per disciplinary purposes etc. this is the only reason that i used the terms "profound vs haphazard manner". i was only describing the very shock and awe manner, in which the events started to unexpectedly occur. not the way that coach strong extended his discipline to his players. I STAND WITH COACH STRONG COMPLETELY! UPON EVERY FACET IMAGINABLE! FROM VERY START.. TO VERY FINISH!
also, please here me out very carefully here java. no one, should ever have to present to me.. a numbered list of details that are indeed paramount to obtaining dignity, respect, along with meeting the overall objectives of becoming a successful student, player, graduate, as per the University of Texas. upon every numbered detail, that you have listed above.. is something that i have hereby preached tirelessly, over and over and over again.. every since i became a member as per this burgeoning forum. when you have stated beforehand that "accountability is a part of life." you had better believe that i concur with that statement wholeheartedly. VERBATIM!
i am going to pronounce this statement to you now. and at some point, you may decide to pay it forward to others as per your discretion. many of our very own UT stalwarts, have systematically allowed themselves to become self appointed, self anointed, HARPERS! all these particular individuals have been doing lately is harping here, harping there, and harp, harp, harping everywhere.. that they think they have someone's attention, regarding the perils as per aTm. they denigrate, denigrate, denigrate the aTm players over and over and over again to the very point that.. they think that our very own institution of higher learning, has somehow become sacrosanct to the new world order. everyone upon this globe, has now become aware of the constant rivalry regarding TEXAS vs ATM. heck, this is nothing new.. it has been going on since adam and eve. however, this rivalry has become profound, moribund, vs downright undignified.. to the point of turning so very many of our paying members / fans completely off. java, please understand my point of view here. no rivalry, should ever reach the point to where particular stalwarts of one institution, has now taken the initiative to place photoshopped mugshots of another institutions players / students.. depicting them as complete criminals / thugs.. and then releasing these pictures / illustrations, to the entire globe through social media.. without even an ounce of respect vs dignity, to that players immediate family members. this should never ever happen java.. to no student.. no where. upon yesterday, i initiated a thread regarding "relax HS.. chill out HS" etc.. upon this thread, i explained to all that i felt that coach charlie strong did not just happen to UT. upon my most spiritual view.. coach strong, was hereby sent to UT! (please read between the lines here) therefore, java, it really upsets me to see so many of these same stalwarts that are constantly guilty of this denigration of others.. try and align themselves with the likes of a very spiritual minded man.. such as coach charlie strong. i see that you have used the term "methodical" upon your statement beforehand. well, tell me now java, for whom is more dignified, quite, intellectual, compassionate, and yes methodical than coach strong? could you ever allow yourself to imagine coach strong denigrating other players, as per a competing institution of higher learning. (i know that i could not) therefore, this is what i mean, whenever i state to others regarding getting our very own house in order. let us take care of our own perils. let us clean up our very own messes. let us repair our very own cracks within our foundation. let us strive to become the very best.. that we may become.. and utilize our successes to assist others.. and not denigrate them.
3) Do you know that there is someone, very active on Texags, posting under the name monarch?
java, are you serious! how are you aware of these occurrences with this "texags" monarch? i have only ventured into "texags" twice. and this was by clicking upon tweets sent to us here, by our own members within their threads. do you have to become a member to reference exclusive details throughout their forum? i simply have no reason to ever venture into "texags". however, now that you have my curiosity aroused, i cannot help but become a bit perplexed. the name "monarch" is not an oft used name by any account. wow! i would like to reference just what this person is espousing upon with them. upon your opinion, is their "monarch" an aTm student / stalwart? are someone acting as a visitor, troll, menace to their site? may you please explain a bit further.... this could be a problem that i may have to extinguish with their management. hopefully not...
java, are you serious! how are you aware of these occurrences with this "texags" monarch? i have only ventured into "texags" twice. and this was by clicking upon tweets sent to us here, by our own members within their threads. do you have to become a member to reference exclusive details throughout their forum? i simply have no reason to ever venture into "texags". however, now that you have my curiosity aroused, i cannot help but become a bit perplexed. the name "monarch" is not an oft used name by any account. wow! i would like to reference just what this person is espousing upon with them. upon your opinion, is their "monarch" an aTm student / stalwart? are someone acting as a visitor, troll, menace to their site? may you please explain a bit further.... this could be a problem that i may have to extinguish with their management. hopefully not...
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JB, this is painted on my living room wall just like your house.We don't have a "code" at UT, Mike. We have 5 Core Values. Read it, learn it, live it.
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Kevin Sumlin's exemiplifies what is wrong will college sports. He has is certainly not a "winner." My personal opinion is that he is a "piece of human excrement." Few individuals are in a better position to influence the lives of young Americans and to be a positive influence in the lives of young athletes in the state of Texas. Instead, he demonstrates the "leadership" we have witnessed. I'm am far from impressed with Kevin Sumlin.
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The only "message" Sumlin's handling of JFF tells prospective aggies is, "Come to A&M, take online classes, party your asses off (I have no idea where), and Swag Daddy Sumlin will cover for you".
I guess that will attract a certain crowd, but not the players we want.
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the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, has just lost up to 6 of our players.. upon the most profound and haphazard manner.
Nonsense, the only tragedy for the last couple of days was the woman who was sexual assaulted. The players weren't lost, they didn't follow the rules plain and simple. If they can't follow Coach Strong's rules they can find a team that is more lenient on behavior. Short term this hurts, but I believe will lead to better long term results. This is just a process.
please allow for us to mind our own business here upon the 40 acres
Sounds like your telling what subjects to talk about. If you don't like members talking about A&M, don't click on the thread. Hope you climb down off the ledge.
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Agree with you, I don't think he said it to knock Strong, although it has the same effect. I believe he is trying to defend himself from his embarrassing record on his players getting into trouble.
From Tom Osborne with Lawrence Phillips to Stoops with DGB, coaches always use the excuse they want to help the player become a better person when in reality they just want to win.
From the article below, Sumlin is having to defend himself and his lousy record on discipline. Coach Strong's actions has placed more pressure on Sumlin and that lousy record.
Sumlin discusses discipline at Houston A&M Club Coach's Night
HOUSTON — Outsiders may have serious questions about some of the recent discipline issues within Kevin Sumlin’s Texas A&M football team, but on Friday the questions he fielded were much friendlier.
Sumlin spoke in front of almost 1,200 hundred maroon-clad fans at the NRG Center in Houston at the annual Houston A&M Club Coach’s Night. For the most part, Sumlin smiled, laughed, and spoke confidently about where his team stands going into next season.
But at the end of his speech, before he took questions from the crowd, he did pause to address some of the recent discipline issues around the program. The Aggies have had five players leave the program since the end of the season, and several more arrested. Earlier this week, defensive end Gavin Stansbury, who was arrested in April, left the team.
“We’ve had some issues with discipline, and we’ve looked into it as a staff,†Sumlin said. “We’ve made some changes. We’ve hired some people. Looked into our evaluation process, we’ve made some changes there.â€
Sumlin then echoed Nick Saban’s statements a week ago at SEC Media Days.
“I’ve said this before, but it takes absolutely no effort to kick a guy out of school,†Sumlin said. “That’s the easiest thing I can do.
“It’s tough for me when I have a mom crying in my office knowing that someone has really screwed up an opportunity to get an education. The hard part in that is that I couldn’t fix in 17 months what she couldn’t fix in 17 years.â€
Sumlin closed by trying to reassure the crowd that he’s building a program they can be proud of.
“We’re doing everything we can to represent Texas A&M the right way and to make you proud as former students and not just in football,†he said.
For the most part though, the night was a celebration of how far the A&M program has come in a short amount of time, and a change for Sumlin to connect with A&M’s largest alumni base.
The highlight of the night came when a fan asked about Bob Stoops’ comments on scheduling.
“Coach Stoops has the right to say whatever he wants,†said Sumlin. “But if he’d like to play again we’d take him up on that.â€
Sumlin immediately realized the line would reach beyond the room.
“Y’all can’t wait to tweet that can you?†he joked.
The night was also about raising money for scholarships, and though he won’t be taking any snaps for the Aggies again, Johnny Manziel is still helping the university raise money. A black helmet, the same ones the Aggies wore at Mississippi State in 2012, signed by Manziel sold for $14,000, and a jersey signed by the Heisman Trophy winner went for $12,000. In all, the live auction raised $58,000 dollars for scholarships, adding to the more than $2 million in scholarships the Houston A&M Club has raised in its history.
The annual coach’s night tour concludes on Monday when Sumlin will speak at the Brazos County A&M Club Coach’s Night in College Station
http://www.theeagle.com/sports/aggiesports/sumlin-discusses-discipline-at-houston-a-m-club-coach-s/article_61662e44-20b4-59cc-b3b0-5fa4e49e7355.html
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Yes, I am. I rarely go there, and never post there. However, someone is posting under the name monarch. btw, the numbered list was for the very different topics, to eliminate any confusion. No offense intended.
dude, why don't you try accommodating yourself with a poster's actual position.. before jumping in and out of ( A vs B ) conversations without an actual clue. i tell you what mr. primal, why don't you try referencing my very long posts that i have just completed as per java.. and maybe, you shall become a bit more acquainted with my actual position upon this matter. also, i have never taken a position of "telling others what subjects to talk about". i was only answering doc longhorns message to myself. i am man enough to stand pat upon my positions of minding my own business, as well as not constantly denigrating other players from competing institutions. especially, when our very own players are simply no better than theirs. i try very hard to align myself upon the very same course as coach charlie strong.. by not becoming an advocate of hate, denigration, and adverse discourse. i take being a stalwart as per the UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS very serious. i shall only advocate representing our great university with class, honor, and a bit of self respect. just the same way that coach strong does....
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Didnt reference your thread Monarch. At the risk of getting put in time out Ill let it go.
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