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I have considered this question several times. No amount of mental gymnastics allows me to rationalize Patterson knowingly making a wrong-headed decision, thus jeopardizing his own long-term best interest, to appease a lame duck boss who has effectively been emasculated by BMDs.

 
He's not reporting to Powers. Powers has given a blanket sign off on whoever Patterson gets. Patterson reports to BMDs, along with the committee that was pretty much selected by the BMDs.
This is 100% wrong and misleading. This assumes that people who give large donations are running this university. It also assumes, because of this, that our beloved university has no administration and the chain of command does not exist.

Here are the actual facts as I have been told:

1. Powers, himself, has said he will not be involved in the selection of a coach and has left that responsibility to Patterson's office.

2. Patterson, himself, was involved in putting together the search committee and does NOT answer to said committee. The committee submits their findings to PATTERSON and he makes the final selection.

3. Once the selection is made it is submitted to both Powers and the BOR to await their rubber stamps approval.

No where, and I repeat nowhere, does Patterson answer to ANY money donor for their approval of the selection.

BMD influence, etc., etc. is nothing but speculation based on nothing. Saber rattling by Joe Jamail is just that - saber rattling - and it was all before Mack retired anyway.

 
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Doc Longhorn,

Just a question. Am wondering why you keep referring to President Powers as Powell rather than Powers?

 
I actually have some info. Didnt want to post it because everyone has already heard it, but what the hell it's slow. I was house shopping today with my real estate agent. I have known the guy for a while and I already knew he doesn't follow sports from past conversations, but I ask him about the Texas HC search anyways. I was actually on Hornsports on my phone, so it was on my mind... I started talking Saban and then he smiled and said he knew that Terry Saban was in town recently and he knew that she had purchased at least one home and he was under the impression that another home purchase was going down. I dismissed this pretty quickly since everyone and their mother has heard something similar to this but I never remember hearing anything about a second home purchase. I asked him how in the hell he would know this considering he knows nothing about football and doesnt care to know. That's when he preceded to tell me his source and I BELIEVED. Boring I know, but it's all I got :)
Quick! To the Flight Aware site!

 
Doc Longhorn,Just a question. Am wondering why you keep referring to President Powers as Powell rather than Powers?
Looks like an auto-correct in his phone, he may use Powell a lot.

 
This is 100% wrong and misleading. This assumes that people who give large donations are running this university. It also assumes, because of this, that our beloved university has no administration and the chain of command does not exist.Here are the actual facts as I have been told:

1. Powell, himself, has said he will not be involved in the selection of a coach and has left that responsibility to Patterson's office.

2. Patterson, himself, was involved in putting together the search committee and does NOT answer to said committee. The committee submits their finding to PATTERSON and he makes the final selection.

3. Once the selection is made it is submitted to both Powell and the BOR to await their rubber stamps approval.

No where, and I repeat nowhere, does Patterson answer to ANY money donor for their approval of the selection.

BMD influence, etc., etc. is nothing but speculation based on nothing. Saber rattling by Joe Jamail is just that - saber rattling - and it was all before Mack retired anyway.

I don't think I stopped short. There is no assumption there.

And none of your list of three items conflicts with what I've said. You just choose to believe something more comfortable as to how it got that way. Yea, Powers (not Powell) is out of the loop. I said this. He was told he would be out of the loop as of Saturday after BF.

Patterson is given much rope, but yea, he does answer to a group of BMDs. Patterson is brand new to the job. He's out there with direct marching orders but with the flexibility to obtain those goals as he sees fit.

I'm not going to say you're 100% wrong. I don't know that and will remind you that you don't either. I'd appreciate it if you'd keep that in mind the next time you post. This is the second time I've had to butt heads with you. I'd rather not do a third.

 
Are there quite a few new names out tonight?

There seem to be quite a few people on here tonight that are either new,or post infrequently. I think that I may go check out some other boards and see what is being said. Just wondering if anyone else noticed the same thing?

Hook 'em!

 
I don't think I stopped short. There is no assumption there.
And none of your list of three items conflicts with what I've said. You just choose to believe something more comfortable as to how it got that way. Yea, Powers (not Powell) is out of the loop. I said this. He was told he would be out of the loop as of Saturday after BF.
Yes, we do have a conflict. They are listed, again, below. And I would appreciate it if you didn't tell me what I choose and what is more comfortable for me. Like your emphatic comments, you don't know if it was a choice or fact. You weren't interested in asking why I differed with you, you just appear to be annoyed that I differed.

Patterson is given much rope, but yea, he does answer to a group of BMDs. Patterson is brand new to the job. He's out there with direct marching orders but with the flexibility to obtain those goals as he sees fit.
To be clear, Patterson was hired to replace Deloss Dodds. Mack Brown decided to resign. Patterson is tasked, as is his responsibility, to replace him. Anything beyond that is "behind the scenes" speculation. To say he answers directly to BMD's is simply incorrect.

I'm not going to say you're 100% wrong. I don't know that and will remind you that you don't either. I'd appreciate it if you'd keep that in mind the next time you post. This is the second time I've had to butt heads with you. I'd rather not do a third.
If an opposing opinion annoys you to the point of claiming we are "butting heads" then the problem is yours, not mine. If your comment of "I would rather not do a third" is a threat - please tell me now. This kind of malarky is what got you in trouble at IT and is one of the major things I disliked about that blog.

I will clarify why I stated he does not "answer" directly to BMD's.

As I have told you before - I am personal friends with one and, in case you missed it, has served on many UT search committees. He denies that BMD's are telling Patterson what to do and I believe him.

So, I guess it really comes down to which of us is telling the truth about our sources - doesn't it? I've stated the qualifications of my source, lets hear yours.

Also, and in the future, lets move away from the acrimony, OK? I'm not the worlds greatest wordsmith and some of the things I type may sound confrontational‎ but, I assure you, are not meant to be or mean spirited. If I have offended you, I must apologize. It was unintentional.

One of the reasons I like this blog is because it appears to be trying to move away from the usual blog jerks trying to salve their insecurities.

 
Yes, we do have a conflict. They are listed, again, below. And I would appreciate it if you didn't tell me what I choose and what is more comfortable for me. Like your emphatic comments, you don't know if it was a choice or fact. You weren't interested in asking why I differed with you, you just appear to be annoyed that I differed.

To be clear, Patterson was hired to replace Deloss Dodds. Mack Brown decided to resign. Patterson is tasked, as is his responsibility, to replace him. Anything beyond that is "behind the scenes" speculation. To say he answers directly to BMD's is simply incorrect.

If an opposing opinion annoys you to the point of claiming we are "butting heads" then the problem is yours, not mine. If your comment of "I would rather not do a third" is a threat - please tell me now. This kind of malarky is what got you in trouble at IT and is one of the major things I disliked about that blog.

I will clarify why I stated he does not "answer" directly to BMD's.

As I have told you before - I am personal friends with one and, in case you missed it, has served on many UT search committees. He denies that BMD's are telling Patterson what to do and I believe him.

So, I guess it really comes down to which of us is telling the truth about our sources - doesn't it? I've stated the qualifications of my source, lets hear yours.

Also, and in the future, lets move away from the acrimony, OK? I'm not the worlds greatest wordsmith and some of the things I type may sound confrontational‎ but, I assure you, are not meant to be or mean spirited. If I have offended you, I must apologize. It was unintentional.

One of the reasons I like this blog is because it appears to be trying to move away from the usual blog jerks trying to salve their insecurities.

1. I was/am annoyed by your choice of using "100% wrong" when you have no real clue if I am or not. I explained this before. I am willing to speak on what I hear/know, but I don't know who you are, what you're hearing, who you're hearing it from - I am not qualified to speak on what you hear/know. You are most assuredly not qualified to speak on me with any degree of certainty at all.

My source has a track record that forces me to place a great degree of faith in what he says to me. I'm not interested in asking why you differ with me. You're free to believe what you want, I'm ok with that. I just thought the definitive claim with no reason or substance was, poor taste. And still do.

2. Yea

3. I've told you what issue I had with your post. I can only respond to what you type. If you're having trouble getting your message across the way you want to, take more time with the message.

My primary source is Jesus Shuttlesworth. He posted the Dodds retirement a month before Dodds retired, two weeks before Chip "broke it' and then even said Dodds would first deny the allegation (which he did) and called the week in October it would go down. He also posted long ago that Saban and Texas were talking, which everyone and their dog denied until the AP broke their story confirming it all.

I like my chances here, even if I go by that source alone.

 
If the Saban's are purchasing multiple homes that doesn't seem good.seems more like Terry is doing what sshe does. Real estate investment.

 
1. I was/am annoyed by your choice of using "100% wrong" when you have no real clue if I am or not. I explained this before. I am willing to speak on what I hear/know, but I don't know who you are, what you're hearing, who you're hearing it from - I am not qualified to speak on what you hear/know. You are most assuredly not qualified to speak on me with any degree of certainty at all.
My source has a track record that forces me to place a great degree of faith in what he says to me. I'm not interested in asking why you differ with me. You're free to believe what you want, I'm ok with that. I just thought the definitive claim with no reason or substance was, poor taste. And still do.

2. Yea

3. I've told you what issue I had with your post. I can only respond to what you type. If you're having trouble getting your message across the way you want to, take more time with the message.

My primary source is Jesus Shuttlesworth. He posted the Dodds retirement a month before Dodds retired, two weeks before Chip "broke it' and then even said Dodds would first deny the allegation (which he did) and called the week in October it would go down. He also posted long ago that Saban and Texas were talking, which everyone and their dog denied until the AP broke their story confirming it all.

I like my chances here, even if I go by that source alone.
LOL, You are not going to let this go are you?

However, you are correct - I shouldn't have said you were 100% wrong (even though I believe your are and laid out my reasons for that belief). That was indelicate of me.

I completely believe you weren't interested that I differed - only that I did. You weren't open to discussion because there was nothing to discuss. It seems it was just your way or the highway.

And, by the way, through your own admission, you don't know who I am so you have no idea what my qualifications are. Therefore, you are in no position to tell me if I am or not. I certainly know you aren't because, once again and through your own admission, your "source" of info comes 4th hand - from a competing blog, it's moderator, who got the info from his "source", who got his from another "source" which is actually severally "sources" combined into one, which is then called a "Big Cigar". And, even though this source actually WAS 100% wrong on Saban, and the AD I might add, you are still invested in his sources anyway?

I assume the info gleaned from this blog motivated you to make this flat assertion:

"He's not reporting to Powers. Powers has given a blanket sign off on whoever Patterson gets. Patterson reports to BMDs, along with the committee that was pretty much selected by the BMDs."

What made this assertion wrong is the first sentence. Even though Powers will simply rubber stamp whomever Patterson picks, Patterson must, by UT protocol, submit his selection to him and the BOR's as well.

I will admit your second sentence is correct because Powers publicly announced he wouldn't be involved in the selection. I'm not sure what this has to do with UT protocol, however.

As far as your third sentence - well, it has to be pure conjecture for the reasons I have already explained. Look, Sirhornsalot, do you honestly believe that a UT employee will forego the UT chain of command, go outside of UT administration and report to Joe Jamail's or whomever's office, present his selection and ask whomever for his approval and if it was okay with him?

Now, do I believe that someone in the admin (probably a board member) would present the selection to a group of BMD's for approval? Most probably and their endorsement would have to be made before the BOR stamped their approval - or not. We won't be privy to that.

 
LOL, You are not going to let this go are you?However, you are correct - I shouldn't have said you were 100% wrong (even though I believe your are and laid out my reasons for that belief). That was indelicate of me.

I completely believe you weren't interested that I differed - only that I did. You weren't open to discussion because there was nothing to discuss. It seems it was just your way or the highway.

And, by the way, through your own admission, you don't know who I am so you have no idea what my qualifications are. Therefore, you are in no position to tell me if I am or not. I certainly know you aren't because, once again and through your own admission, your "source" of info comes 4th hand - from a competing blog, it's moderator, who got the info from his "source", who got his from another "source" which is actually severally "sources" combined into one, which is then called a "Big Cigar". And, even though this source actually WAS 100% wrong on Saban, and the AD I might add, you are still invested in his sources anyway?

I assume the info gleaned from this blog motivated you to make this flat assertion:

"He's not reporting to Powers. Powers has given a blanket sign off on whoever Patterson gets. Patterson reports to BMDs, along with the committee that was pretty much selected by the BMDs."

What made this assertion wrong is the first sentence. Even though Powers will simply rubber stamp whomever Patterson picks, Patterson must, by UT protocol, submit his selection to him and the BOR's as well.

I will admit your second sentence is correct because Powers publicly announced he wouldn't be involved in the selection. I'm not sure what this has to do with UT protocol, however.

As far as your third sentence - well, it has to be pure conjecture for the reasons I have already explained. Look, Sirhornsalot, do you honestly believe that a UT employee will forego the UT chain of command, go outside of UT administration and report to Joe Jamail's or whomever's office, present his selection and ask whomever for his approval and if it was okay with him?

Now, do I believe that someone in the admin (probably a board member) would present the selection to a group of BMD's for approval? Most probably and their endorsement would have to be made before the BOR stamped their approval - or not. We won't be privy to that.
Come now, Ladies. I think you're both pretty.

 
You just wrote a novel and yet you accuse me of not letting go. Ok.

You don't know me from Adam. I carry a working business relationship with Jesus Shuttlesworth, so no, it's not 4th hand crap you're just throwing against the wall here. You are quick to say what you cannot support, just like your ASSumption that I'm giving 4th hand info. What else will you say that has absolutely no truth to it?

 
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You just wrote a novel and yet you accuse me of not letting go. Ok.
You can speak for yourself in the future, but don't speak for me. You don't know me from Adam. I carry a working business relationship with Jesus Shuttlesworth, so no, it's not 4th hand crap you're just throwing against the wall here. You are quick to say what you cannot support, just like your ASSumption that I'm giving 4th hand info. What else will you say that has absolutely no truth to it?

I don't mean to offend, but your substance is lacking, you're not really contributing anything here outside of your own view of how things have to be. I simply don't agree, there's no reason for you to respond because frankly, I wasn't interested enough to finish reading your last post.

You are now the sole occupier of my ignore list. Best wishes.
BOOM. Moving on...

 
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