Jeff Traylor interviewing with Missou

[BevoBlake]

No member of Charlie Strong's 2015 staff is worth a raise, let alone a doubling of their salary after the abortion we saw this past season. If any assistant coach ten months out of coaching 3A high school football wants to play prima donna and demand he be paid in the top 5% of all D1 assistant coaches "or else" then he needs to go.

The more I hear about the mentality of this coaching staff, the more I am wondering what the hell is going on with this program.

To claim that one employee doesn't deserve a raise as a result of an entire department's body of work is asinine and goes against what happens every single day. Traylor was invaluable to our staff this year. Either we'll give him a raise or somebody else will.

 

[Randolph Duke]

To claim that one employee doesn't deserve a raise as a result of an entire department's body of work is asinine and goes against what happens every single day. Traylor was invaluable to our staff this year. Either we'll give him a raise or somebody else will.

To claim we have to throw stupid money at a coach that after decades as a high school coach is ten months into coaching college football and make someone who, after coaching high school football for twenty years and has been over looked the entire time, but now suddenly is indensibile and our highest priority, does nothng other than mire UT football into a deeper hole.

If this is the mentality of UT football, we need to move on.

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I love your saying "I personally don't know what Jeff Traylor thinks or believes" and, without missing a beat you proceed to say "the lack of respect he was shown when he came in by the offensive coordinator, has to not sit well with him. Especially if he does believe he has the ability to be a college OC."

For someone who personally doesn't know what Traylor thinks or believes, you sure came to a conclusion about what he thinks or believes rather quickly.

Traylor has been out of high school coaching for barely 10 months. If he really thinks he is ready to take over a major D1 program, he needs to show he can deal with a "toxic" environment in offensive team meetings, which doesn't seem to be the case. Understanding team chemistry at the major college level isn't something that is demonstrated by coaching high school football. It is demonstrated by coaching at the college level for more than ten months. Team players don't say "I've almost been here a year. We had a losing season. Show me the money!"

As for measuring yourself by what others are getting paid, that's the small minded game. Judge yourself by how you are performing up to your own expectations. If you are doing well, the money will come. Again, Traylor hasn't even been coaching at the college level for even a year. Bitching about his mistreatment isn't going to endear him to many up and coming coaches, almost all of which are younger than he is. I think Barry Odom at Mizzou is 10 years younger than Traylor. Odom needs stability. You don't entice a boss looking for stability by impressing upon him your demands for money when you haven't delivered above the high school level.

Traylor has a lot to learn. From what people say, he has a lot to offer, but if he wants to start playing the money game 10 months into his college career and before he has been part of at least one winning season at the college level, he needs to be encouraged to move on. Traylor was paid a base salary of $260,000 this year and tripled, if not quadrupled his pay moving from the high school ranks to being a member of the UT staff last year. He is already getting paid in the top 25% of all assistant coaches at the D1 level. One losing season and he feels he should at least double his salary again and match the new O-Line coach at $550k were he would be in the top 5% of all D1 assistant coaches?! I don't care if that doesn't sit well with Traylor. He hasn't earned that.

Regarding the bold sentences above.

Where have you seen that he has bitched about his mistreatment?

Where have you seen where he has "demanded" money?

Where have you seen where he feels he should at least double his salary and match the new O-line coach at $550K?

 

[Captain Hookem]

You already know about the 37 freshmen we were forced to play on D this past season, so here's a hint as to what else may have caused the statistical crash:

Name the 2014 Texas D seniors who went to the NFL.

Now, name the 2015 Texas D seniors who will probably be in the NFL.

So on top of that we also haven't recruited well the last couple of years to fill gaps? Other teams play young and find success. For whatever reason(s) we could not.
I don't completely buy in to "cupboard is bare" arguments. Partly because it sounds kind of aggie, but mostly because it doesn't explain everything.

 

[CoachEmUp64]

Some of you crack me up. If this was a HS coach from any other state I'd be on board. But this is TX HS Football, where HS coaches put in the same amount of hours as college coaches, if not more bc most have to teach during day. Traylor wasn't passed over for college jobs he simply didn't want to go that route. Maybe winning several state championships changed his mind and he was ready for his next challenge. Who knows. But to say he's not ready is obsurd. Some of the brightest minds in football are TX HS coaches and several of the offensive systems that wreak havoc on defenses you are watching on tv were created by TX HS coaches.

I bet you guys saying he's not ready are the same guys who yell from the stands when a run play is called that gets stuffed to "Throw the ball" and when a pass play doesn't work "why aren't we running it"

Let the coaches coach. If you want to call plays why don't you go be a coach for something other than your sons peewee football team where everyone gets a trophy.

Rant over, I look forward to reading your responses.

 

[Captain Hookem]

Some of you crack me up. If this was a HS coach from any other state I'd be on board. But this is TX HS Football, where HS coaches put in the same amount of hours as college coaches, if not more bc most have to teach during day. Traylor wasn't passed over for college jobs he simply didn't want to go that route. Maybe winning several state championships changed his mind and he was ready for his next challenge. Who knows. But to say he's not ready is obsurd. Some of the brightest minds in football are TX HS coaches and several of the offensive systems that wreak havoc on defenses you are watching on tv were created by TX HS coaches.

I bet you guys saying he's not ready are the same guys who yell from the stands when a run play is called that gets stuffed to "Throw the ball" and when a pass play doesn't work "why aren't we running it"

Let the coaches coach. If you want to call plays why don't you go be a coach for something other than your sons peewee football team where everyone gets a trophy.

Rant over, I look forward to reading your responses.

The truth is no one knows if Traylor can do it in college because he's never done it before. His upside is high given his track record, but even great coaches need burn-in time.

Strong isn't in a position to take a chance on potential right now. He needed some one who has proven they could do it elsewhere, and that meant passing up on potential if that was the consequence.

Like Sterlin, if Traylor left he could always come back to Texas. But also like Sterlin, Traylor may need to prove he can do it in college before he gets a shot at a big school.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Some of you crack me up. If this was a HS coach from any other state I'd be on board. But this is TX HS Football, where HS coaches put in the same amount of hours as college coaches, if not more bc most have to teach during day. Traylor wasn't passed over for college jobs he simply didn't want to go that route. Maybe winning several state championships changed his mind and he was ready for his next challenge. Who knows. But to say he's not ready is obsurd. Some of the brightest minds in football are TX HS coaches and several of the offensive systems that wreak havoc on defenses you are watching on tv were created by TX HS coaches.

I bet you guys saying he's not ready are the same guys who yell from the stands when a run play is called that gets stuffed to "Throw the ball" and when a pass play doesn't work "why aren't we running it"

Let the coaches coach. If you want to call plays why don't you go be a coach for something other than your sons peewee football team where everyone gets a trophy.

Rant over, I look forward to reading your responses.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

The truth is no one knows if Traylor can do it in college because he's never done it before. His upside is high given his track record, but even great coaches need burn-in time.

Strong isn't in a position to take a chance on potential right now. He needed some one who has proven they could do it elsewhere, and that meant passing up on potential if that was the consequence.

Like Sterlin, if Traylor left he could always come back to Texas. But also like Sterlin, Traylor may need to prove he can do it in college before he gets a shot at a big school.

Well, there's that approach . . . and there's several others, among which would be he who is willing to take such risks is subject to high reward.

OC's don't suddenly become good in every case because they "did time" on a college staff. Traylor is at Texas right now because of his impeccable reputation for being a brilliant offensive mind.

There were times this year, I've been told, that Traylor was the only thing really holding the offense together. And that's after only a short time on staff.

Sterlin will have success here because he's good and has a good surrounding cast. He'll get a lucrative job offer somewhere in two years and Traylor will be your next OC at Texas.

 

[mctmatt]

I don't think I have seen anywhere that it is Traylor himself making any demands from Salary to play calling.  The only ones that have done that is from us who have posted, but Traylor has been nothing but a Team player from everything I have read.  It was the article on CBSSports that referred to one of the writers from Horns247 writing about Watson and Wickline not even being willing to listen to any input from Traylor since he had not Coached at the college level...That to me sounds like more of an issue of them and not Traylor plus you did not hear Traylor bitch to the media or anyone about that . The source per CBSSports and Horns247 came from other Coaches that were in these meetings not Traylor. 

 

[Godz40acres]

So on top of that we also haven't recruited well the last couple of years to fill gaps? Other teams play young and find success. For whatever reason(s) we could not.

So, because we only had a handful of senior starters this year, none of which you think will be drafted, and we had to rely on frosh and RS frosh to fill major gaps all over the field, we should have found success? Actually, I think we did find success - not in wins, but in identifying future talent.

Yeah, other teams had success with young players; but I don't think any of them had to start at least 9 freshmen while playing 8 teams with top 28 offenses in the country.

I don't completely buy in to "cupboard is bare" arguments. Partly because it sounds kind of aggie, but mostly because it doesn't explain everything.

aggy got nothing to with the fact that this year's seniors just didn't have that much talent.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

Allegedly Bobby Burton is saying that it looks good for Traylor staying at Texas.

 

[JimR]

Hearing reports that Traylor is interviewing with Missou on Wed for the OC position has anyone else heard this?  

you read it on message boards just like we all did. none of us "hear" anything.

 

[TexExSpur]

Yes, the Boulder in the pond/ripple turned into a rock that is more of a pebble, now.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

you read it on message boards just like we all did. none of us "hear" anything.

I think its generally understood that anything any of us 'hear' is coming from internet reports.  I just assume that unless a guy says 'I have a source' - he read it on another site.  Does that distinction between hear/read even need to be made on a message board?

Its like people(me) who still talk about watching a kids 'tape'.  When is the last time any of us actually watched 'tape'?

 

[TexExSpur]

I gave y'all the hint...he's staying.

 

[Hiphopopotamos]

I gave y'all the hint...he's staying.

Apparently Chip Brown agrees with you.  Other board reported that Chip says Traylor is staying.

 

[Juan]

Ho hum, another day another successful contract renegotiation by Strong ....

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

 

[Captain Hookem]

Well, there's that approach . . . and there's several others, among which would be he who is willing to take such risks is subject to high reward.

OC's don't suddenly become good in every case because they "did time" on a college staff. Traylor is at Texas right now because of his impeccable reputation for being a brilliant offensive mind.

There were times this year, I've been told, that Traylor was the only thing really holding the offense together. And that's after only a short time on staff.

Sterlin will have success here because he's good and has a good surrounding cast. He'll get a lucrative job offer somewhere in two years and Traylor will be your next OC at Texas.

I agree with all of that, especially what is likely the (I don't want to say OC in waiting), but what is likely the fast track to being an OC here if Traylor waits for Sterlin to get his bigger shot elsewhere.

However don't you agree that there's no way in Strong's situation that he could hire an unknown quantity at that position, especially given how badly mishandled it was in the beginning? It's a risk that a more established coach can take, when they aren't out of hires before they themselves are fired.

Sterlin was asked in his presser if him and Mattox needed time to figure out how to fit the system at Texas. Sterlin answered this was their 4th install of this offense, so they pretty much have it down by now. Whatever Traylor may accomplish one day, he can't say that right now. Strong has zero bandwidth left with no ramp-up time on that side of the ball, which is not his expertise and can't offer much in assistance. Given the circumstance, I believe it was the only choice he had. 

 

[mctmatt]

you read it on message boards just like we all did. none of us "hear" anything.

Please type a little louder as I did not hear that!!!!  LOL  just kidding and you are correct I read it on the internet so I took it as the absolute truth...I kid I kid!!!

 

[DBOOK23]

Awesome we kept Traylor! Now we just need to complete our staff and get in front of these kids faces. I'm loving everything Ive heard about Gilbert and Mattox on the recruiting trail so far