Is Coach Strong In Trouble??

[Coal Harbour]

I read how until CS is accused legally of wrongdoing, this means nothing.  That couldn't be farther than the truth.  When you are a public figure, perception of wrongdoing is just as powerful and until CS uncategorically denies anything took place or worst, the rumors are true, this will have a major affect on recruiting as a number of mother's won't let CS in the door.

College football is about recruiting and ties directly into success or failure on the field.  This won't "crush" the program, but it would certainly set it back at a minimum.

 

[doc longhorn]

I spoke with one of my friends a few minutes ago. He's spoken with his contact at UT. 

Apparently, CS did have an affair with the person in question. Apparently, Texas knew about this when they made an offer to him to become HC at Texas. He said when Texas vets a candidate for a position, they leave no stone unturned.

He said there has been some moronic rumblings about firing CS over this. Can't happen when you knew about it and hired him anyway, even if the guy who did the hiring is no longer with us (Patterson). Texas hired him, not just Patterson.

So he says common thought is now that Charlie has this season to make something happen. If he shows up with another 5-7, he gone.

In response to the tweets, above. . . . the word "crush" is about as hyperbole as it gets. The man made a mistake. We all do. I think HS kids understand that.

Mark, what the hell is going on over here?  I was on 247 and they are quoting this post as the gospel, which surprised me.

It's not like you to be spreading unsubstantiated rumors.

 

[utisdabomb12]

People really need to stop spreading these rumors. 

Jesus Shuttleworth at Inside Texas is already changing his story. It went from it "was a poorly kept secret" to "I can't tell you what's true in any definitive manner" in a matter of days.  

We aren't just talking about a coach here, but a person. Unless you know for certain about the issue in question, there's no need to comment on this issue until the facts come out. 

 

[doc longhorn]

People really need to stop spreading these rumors. 

Jesus Shuttleworth at Inside Texas is already changing his story. It went from it "was a poorly kept secret" to "I can't tell you what's true in any definitive manner" in a matter of days.  

We aren't just talking about a coach here, but a person. Unless you know for certain about the issue in question, there's no need to comment on this issue until the facts come out. 

Oh, I think it's ok to comment on it - it was publically announced and it is of interest to a Texas fan..

It's just not okay to draw unsubstantiated conclusions from it.  And it is SURE not okay to condemn him on BS rumors.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

People really need to stop spreading these rumors. 

Jesus Shuttleworth at Inside Texas is already changing his story. It went from it "was a poorly kept secret" to "I can't tell you what's true in any definitive manner" in a matter of days.  

We aren't just talking about a coach here, but a person. Unless you know for certain about the issue in question, there's no need to comment on this issue until the facts come out. 

Like I have said many times some of these so called sources have an agenda. They don't like Strong, they never have and never will. 

 

[utisdabomb12]

Oh, I think it's ok to comment on it - it was publically announced and it is of interest to a Texas fan..

It's just not okay to draw unsubstantiated conclusions from it.  And it is SURE not okay to condemn him on BS rumors.

No doubt. I should have referred to presumptions. 

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

Mark, what the hell is going on over here?  I was on 247 and they are quoting this post as the gospel, which surprised me.

It's not like you to be spreading unsubstantiated rumors.

 

[doc longhorn]

Like I have said many times some of these so called sources have an agenda. They don't like Strong, they never have and never will. 

Kevin (Jesus Shuttlesworth) and his so called "Big Cigar" have posted 4 or 5 Humidors condemning Strong.  It got to the point whereby subscribers were calling him out on it as running a biased agenda.

I liked the work that Shuttlesowrth used to bring to the table and was a big reason I joined IT.  But, IMO, since Mack has gone, his sources have dried up and it seems he has just been posting fill fodder to make an article.

Also, IMO, a lot of those guys got egg on their face with the Saban debacle and, human nature being what it is, Strong wound up being resentment residue.

 

[primal defense]

Sullivan | Does Strong practice what he preaches?

Charlie Strong has answered a question that has not been asked. Embroiled in the divorce of a University of Louisville trustee, the head football coach at the University of Texas has responded, as coaches do, with a narrow, off-topic emphasis.

“I certainly respect the legal system, and if I do receive a court order, I will review it and respond then,†Strong said in a prepared statement. “Since this is a legal case, it wouldn’t be appropriate for me to say anything further at this time. I do want Longhorn fans and supporters to know that this will not affect my focus in any way. My number one priority is getting this team ready to compete at the highest level. We are doing that now and will continue to do so.â€

On the list of concerns created by Strong’s relationship with Tracy Blue, estranged wife of U of L trustee Jonathan Blue, his “focus†would fall far behind his fidelity, his rectitude, his message and his example. Though every couple’s divorce is not everybody’s business, public figures who trade on their virtue tend to invite public scrutiny.

Along those lines, having earned an endorsement from Texas’ Board of Regents for “demanding outstanding character, strong moral fiber and high core values,†Charlie Strong has left Longhorn fans to wonder whether he holds himself to the same standards.

Hypocrisy is not a great look for a coach with an 11-14 record at a school that believes championships to be its divine right. And though court documents available to the public insinuate more than they say, perhaps Charlie Strong should focus on reconciling his stated principles with public perceptions instead of getting his team ready for a season still more than six months away.

Friday morning, Oldham County Judge Jerry Crosby is scheduled to hear arguments on a motion to compel Strong’s testimony in the Blue divorce. Court documents describe Strong as “a necessary and critical witness†to Tracy Blue’s “repeated behavior and activities that are inconsistent with being a role model and caretaker for two teenage daughters.â€

Whether attorney Ann Oldfather can succeed in deposing Strong is unclear, but she has clearly left him to defend some difficult field position. Those Texas boosters already eager to replace Strong may find fresh arguments in the appearance of extramarital irregularities. With Oldfather pleading for Strong’s telephone and travel records and requesting the return of gifts alleged to have been made by another man’s wife, the coach is going to have some explaining to do even if the Blues should reach a settlement short of the courthouse.

This promises to be an awkward process and, potentially, a painful one. For though honesty is one of Strong’s “core values,†candor is not. When he was still coaching at Louisville, and being courted to take over the football program at the University of Tennessee, Strong was so evasive that he refused to be pinned down on the surpassingly softball question of whether he liked the song, “Rocky Top.â€

Strong’s reflexive response to pointed questions is laughter, a diversionary tactic which may not work as well under oath. If pressuring Strong to testify should cause Tracy Blue to make concessions in order to avoid that spectacle, divorce court is not touch football.

“I will not discuss matters revealed in my divorce file,†Jonathan Blue wrote in an email Monday. “My only priority right now is my daughters. That mandates that I not address this in the media. I have made multiple, unsuccessful attempts to resolve this case out of Court in a manner that is fair to Tracy Blue. The evidence in this case will be difficult for my daughters and for me; consequently I will not comment on what is not already in the public record."

From U of L’s perspective, the less said, the better. Already awash in scandal and under investigation by the FBI, the NCAA and the Commonwealth’s Attorney, the university needs another high-profile embarrassment like it needs a sequel from Katina Powell.

Of late, the school's core value seems to be controversy.

Tim Sullivan can be reached at (502) 582-4650, tsullivan@courier-journal.com or @TimSullivan714 on Twitter.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/tim-sullivan/2016/02/22/sullivan-does-strong-practice-what-he-preaches/80768862/#

 

[UT1983]

IF, and again I say IF, in fact Coach Strong did indeed have an affair with Ms. Blue and this was made known to the UT Administration PRIOR to deciding to hire Coach Strong, then shame on the UT Administration.   There were (and are) many good coaches available that don't come with the baggage.  A case in point is Major Applewhite.  We know if his indiscretion.  Is he a good coach?  Most probably would say yes.  Would UT ever hire him back?  Most probably would say no. 

So that begs the question......  IF such an affair did take place and was known to UT Administration prior to hiring Coach Strong....why hire Coach Strong?  Was it because Coach Strong was indeed the absolute best candidate available willing to accept the Head Coach position or was UT adamant they needed to make a politically correct hire by making sure the new head coach was black (same as A&M's coach)?  You can agree or disagree if a Coach that had a prior affair is a big deal or not.  I do think most of would agree the Head Football Coach at UT is more than just a coaching job and that person is a "face" of UT and therefore their reputation is a very big deal. Even more so when that Coach may not be enjoying a winning record. 

If Coach Strong won back to back National Championships his first two years at UT, everyone would look the other way and this whole affair deal is a non-issue.  The fact Coach Strong has two losing seasons means this affair issue can and mostly likely will be used to help try to relieve him of his duties by some and thus the continuing of posting to this forum topic.

IF the affair did indeed happen and UT knew nothing of it at the time of Coach Strong's hiring, then I believe UT is within its rights to relieve Coach Strong of his duties. Should UT do so is another issue. I personally believe at this point there is enough smoke to be worthy of a fire.  As someone pointed out earlier, the response I think most of us would have rather come from Coach Strong is that this a part of a legal fight between the Blue's but I can assure everyone my relationship with Ms. Blue was strictly on a professional and friendship basis only.  At no time was I ever romantically involved with Ms. Blue.

Until such time (if and when) the facts do become public about the true nature of Coach Strong's relationship with Ms. Blue, we can, at best, merely speculate.  And regardless of if Coach Strong did or did not have an affair with Ms. Blue, preception is everything and this story is hurting UT's reputation.  The sooner it gets resolved, the better.

 

[drgilbert]

I was told today that Strong was married before and had a son from his previous marriage and that he cheated on his first wife. Have any of you heard this an if so how come we never discussed here

 

[primal defense]

Golden: Charlie Strong’s last chance to overhaul coaching staff

In today’s Golden’s Nuggets, Cedric touches on some Bevo-related items including Charlie Strong’s new hires and what it means for the 2016 season. Here’s what he had to say on UT:

On Strong’s last opportunity to overhaul coaching staff:

“Now that Strong has put together his coaching staff, he has to understand that this will be his last opportunity to overhaul the men in his room.
This is Strong’s sink-or-swim staff, and 2016 is his sink-or-swim season. If he doesn’t win with Vance Bedford, Sterlin Gilbert, Brick Haley, Brian Jean-Mary, Matt Mattox, Jeff Traylor, strength and conditioning coach Pat Moorer and the aforementioned new trio — and when I say win, I’m talking about a minimum of eight victories — then he won’t be around for year No. 5, possibly not even for year No. 4.

After a while, the time comes when wholesale changes aren’t enough. Strong knows as much. To his credit, he has assembled a talented staff. Question is, will it win enough games to keep him in Austin for the long haul?

Remains to be seen.â€

On Strong not being able to catch a break with a possible deposition:

“Charlie Strong introduced his three newest coaches to his coaching staff on Monday but didn’t address the woolly mammoth in the room.

As stories circulate about the nature of his relationship with a woman in Louisville who is going through a hotly contested divorce, Strong took the mic as the face of Texas football Monday afternoon, giving his thoughts on Clay Jennings, Anthony Johnson and Charlie Williams, but not addressing that he has been subpoenaed by a lawyer in Kentucky and may be deposed.

He had this it’s-business-as-usual demeanor about him, and maybe that’s how they’re approaching this situation over at Bellmont. With that said, this case isn’t going away any time soon.

It just seems that Strong can never completely untangle himself from distractions, whether it’s players in legal trouble, an offensive line coach facing a lawsuit or this current case, which has him in a spotlight far different than any he’d be seeking as the head coach at the University of Texas.â€

http://www.hookem.com/2016/02/23/golden-charlie-strongs-last-chance-to-overhaul-coaching-staff/

 

[Duke C #11]

I am really starting to dislike the sanctimonious attitudes around this site. Cast those stones.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Mark, what the hell is going on over here?  I was on 247 and they are quoting this post as the gospel, which surprised me.

It's not like you to be spreading unsubstantiated rumors.

I didn't quote myself and certainly didn't say it was the gospel. I'm not a member at 247.

I simply shared what I was told. Just like a hundred other times.

Mike, the source is a big time Charlie supporter. No agenda.

Frankly, I hope my source is wrong. But thats not been very often.

 

[shotime73]

I am really starting to dislike the sanctimonious attitudes around this site. Cast those stones.

I've been behaving myself lol with a halo wrapped around my head

 

[North Texas Golfer]

I am really starting to dislike the sanctimonious attitudes around this site. Cast those stones.

Not seeing what you are seeing. But it may just be me. 

 

[PeteA422]

I get what Duke C is saying.  It is getting really irritating having all these people calling for Charlie's head because of rumors and innuendos about infidelity that may or may not have occurred.  Yes we have some inside info saying that it happened and that UT system knew about it.  But we have a bunch of "Holier than thou" people now coming out ready to burn him at the stake, without knowing all the details.  

Does it look bad, sure.  But apparently him and his wife are doing ok, his family life seems to be in order and anything, if it did happen seems to be reconciled and forgiven.  Who are we to demand a perceived justice, or feel some sort of affront from something that happened before he even became head coach.  Something that, if the inside information is correct, he was upfront and honest about with the administration.  How does that not follow his core values.  "IF" this did happen, and he was honest about it, no matter how embarrassing to himself and his family - and believe me this sort of thing is not something you are proud of - if this happened, he was honest about it, no matter how difficult, is that not following his core values?

Every man, and woman, has made mistakes in their life, all have regrets.  Have any of you ever lied to your spouse or significant other? If not, then by all means, cast the first stone.  Have any of you ever, omitted information that you knew may have hurt or damaged someone you cared about? If not, then cast the first stone.  Have you ever done anything you weren't supposed to do or done something you had to ask forgiveness of another for? If not, then by all means, cast the first stone.  But if not, just remember, in the future, if you want to receive forgiveness, or be given the benefit of the doubt, then you must first be willing to forgive and give others the benefit of the doubt.

Rant over  

 

[shotime73]

I get what Duke C is saying. It is getting really irritating having all these people calling for Charlie's head because of rumors and innuendos about infidelity that may or may not have occurred. Yes we have some inside info saying that it happened and that UT system knew about it. But we have a bunch of "Holier than thou" people now coming out ready to burn him at the stake, without knowing all the details.

Does it look bad, sure. But apparently him and his wife are doing ok, his family life seems to be in order and anything, if it did happen seems to be reconciled and forgiven. Who are we to demand a perceived justice, or feel some sort of affront from something that happened before he even became head coach. Something that, if the inside information is correct, he was upfront and honest about with the administration. How does that not follow his core values. "IF" this did happen, and he was honest about it, no matter how embarrassing to himself and his family - and believe me this sort of thing is not something you are proud of - if this happened, he was honest about it, no matter how difficult, is that not following his core values?

Every man, and woman, has made mistakes in their life, all have regrets. Have any of you ever lied to your spouse or significant other? If not, then by all means, cast the first stone. Have any of you ever, omitted information that you knew may have hurt or damaged someone you cared about? If not, then cast the first stone. Have you ever done anything you weren't supposed to do or done something you had to ask forgiveness of another for? If not, then by all means, cast the first stone. But if not, just remember, in the future, if you want to receive forgiveness, or be given the benefit of the doubt, then you must first be willing to forgive and give others the benefit of the doubt.

Rant over

Post of the year of what Pete just said right there. Totally agree and Pete,in addition to what you just posted there ,having said all that, this is why our team and our Coach needs our support no matter what.

 

[doc longhorn]

Strong is innocent of the innuendo and internet gossip charges. 

It will take a Kentucky court conviction or his wife filing a divorce suit, accusing him of infidelity with Blue, to convince me he cheated.

End of story.  Moving on.

 

[primal defense]

I must admit that I agree with Bohls.

Bohls: Let the facts play out in Charlie Strong’s potential deposition

On Charlie Strong’s potential deposition: Let the facts play out

“I don’t know what’s true and what isn’t true, and you probably don’t know either. But that will hardly stop speculation about Charlie Strong’s role in the ugly divorce proceedings between a Louisville board of trustee/donor and his wife. I always consider things of this nature highly personal and private and think they are no one else’s business, unless such behavior adversely affects one’s ability to do his or her job. In this case, we just don’t have any facts. I will say Strong’s heavy emphasis on his core values, including treating women with respect, could make for potential problems. Neither athletic director Mike Perrin nor Texas president Gregory L. Fenves wanted to comment, although Perrin offered a statement of support for Strong, which gave legitimacy to the story. I do not think immoral behavior at a previous job would affect Strong’s job status at Texas unless he ever lied about the episode to his Texas superiors. Bottom line: No one should rush to make a hasty judgment in this case. Let the facts play out.

http://www.hookem.com/2016/02/24/bohls-let-the-facts-play-out-in-charlie-strongs-potential-deposition/