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[Firehorn]

To say Malzahn would not come is idiotic. Maybe he wouldn't but I think there would be a good chance of it. Closer to home, Texas could offer twice what Auburn pays, that seems like just as good of evidence used against Meyer coming.

 

[austinite]

Texas is absolutely an elite program. Wins and losses are only part of the equation. To be an elite program you have to have the tradition that texas has, the resources to build and sustain a winner, and the ability to attract top level recruits. Texas has all of this, that is why they are elite. Yes, the last 4 years have sucked, but that can turn around quickly. Texas can attract a hot coach looking to take that step up. The Baylors of the world, OK State of the world cannot. That is the difference between an elite program and non elite.
Michigan has not been great on the field but they are still an elite program. Notre Dame is the same thing.

Even by some of your own standards, Texas fails to be an elite program. Resources include both financial and HUMAN resources. Money alone means nothing. How's Texas football program for the past 30 years under Delossy (brain dead) Dudd? Why was Texas firing coaches every few years before Brown? Texas has had money all these years. Did the money "sustain" any winning?

Wins and losses are not "only" part of the equation, but by far the most important part. That's why everybody wants Nick Saban, because he's won 3 NC in 5 years.

 

[Oilfield]

Why would coaches quit calling us if doing so gets them a bid raise. We need to develop some realistic targets very quickly.

 

[utparothed]

Texas is absolutely an elite program. Wins and losses are only part of the equation. To be an elite program you have to have the tradition that texas has, the resources to build and sustain a winner, and the ability to attract top level recruits. Texas has all of this, that is why they are elite. Yes, the last 4 years have sucked, but that can turn around quickly. Texas can attract a hot coach looking to take that step up. The Baylors of the world, OK State of the world cannot. That is the difference between an elite program and non elite.
Michigan has not been great on the field but they are still an elite program. Notre Dame is the same thing.

So we're an elite program but we're not elite enough for the Sabans, Meyers and Harbaughs of the world? Sorry but that makes no sense...we are one of the elite programs and one of the few truly elite jobs in all of college football and should target the coaches that we want and never worry about who's "attainable". We need to go down the list of the guys who are at the top of their profession and make it difficult for them to say no. We ARE Texas...time to start acting like it!

As for Herbie...he could tweet that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west and I'd still have to see it to believe it.

 

[Bevo11]

Bevo - No I am not him. While I am a big Horn fan, I just get sick of some of these pipe dream coaches like Saban and Meyer and Harbaugh going to Texas because its "Texas"
I am not saying we should not inquire about them, but to say our $#@! doesn't stink any more than Bama or Ohio State is just nuts.

I admit, I have no clue if Meyer would come to Texas, no inside info, but if I were a betting man, betting on what is in the public now, I would say, don't get our hopes up.

I just wish the conversation would focus on more attainable coaches at this time and whomever it is, rally around them as a fanbase. Believe me, I would love to see Saban or Harbaugh or even Meyer at Texas but I think we are wasting a lot of energy on an extreme longshot.

I was just having fun with you. You do know that even Burton is saying Meyer to Texas is a possibility and lists him as one of the 4 his contacts say are under consideration?

 

[utparothed]

Even by some of your own standards, Texas fails to be an elite program. Resources include both financial and HUMAN resources. Money alone means nothing. How's Texas football program for the past 30 years under Delossy (brain dead) Dudd? Why was Texas firing coaches every few years before Brown? Texas has had money all these years. Did the money "sustain" any winning?
Wins and losses are not "only" part of the equation, but by far the most important part. That's why everybody wants Nick Saban, because he's won 3 NC in 5 years.

We're in a slump but I'd say that we're still elite based on any equation...wins and losses included.

From the NCAA 2013 Record Book:

 

[austinite]

We're in a slump but I'd say that we're still elite based on any equation...wins and losses included.
From the NCAA 2013 Record Book:

I beg to differ. That table is biased against schools with shorter histories. That's unfair. Moreover, what Texas football program or coaches had accomplished in the past has nothing to do with what the current head coach or AD are achieving at present. "Elite" means superior in a certain selected quality, well above the rest. That doesn't include a school not even ranked in the top 25 at the end of the regular season. And "elite" certainly doesn't describe a school that loses to Oklahoma 60s-10s every 3 years, or to unranked also-runs 40s-20s. A gap of one year or two years of mediocrity may be excused as a "temporary slump". Three decades of mediocrity simply doesn't fit the label. Winning a measly 2 conference titles in 16 years simply doesn't make the cut of an elite school.

More importantly, I consider such belief / standard / mentality detrimental to the football program by fostering false pride and a lack of sense of urgency in taking corrective actions when something goes wrong at the helm.

 

[joebobb]

Perfect example of an elite program is a school that can pack over 100k in each week for a game. That shows there is a fan base that will pay to support the school and the money to finance such a large stadium and facility to fill it. How many schools seat that (TN, Bama, Ohio State, Mich, Penn State, Texas) There are a few elite programs who are close (Neb, ND, USC). Win or lose, the fans still show up to support the team, fill the seats, buy the merchandise and finance the athletic department. Wins or losses matter, but the point is that in an elite program that can be turned around much easier than it can be at a non-elite but good program.

Elite programs allow good coaches without the track record to have success (i.e. Tressel at Ohio State, Mack Brown at Texas)

Elite programs recruit themselves to an extent, a great recruiter/coach only enhances that. Remember, you need to develop talent to win games but that does not mean you are not an elite program. Look Texas will have 5 star talent no matter who the coach is. That is not the case at Oregon or Clemson or even Miami (we all have seen how Miami's talent level has dipped).

All time wins are important to being elite - Yes it does skew the data against up and coming programs but it also shows staying power. There are a lot of programs who were dominant in the 1950s and 60s who are not today (SMU, Rice, Minnesota, Army, Navy). Do Oregon, Boise State, Auburn, even Florida have the staying power to remain elite or another couple generations?

The point is that Mack was not an elite coach since 2010 and the program has suffered. But if it were not for the fact that Texas was an elite program, they would not be nationally relevant. This is why Texas is still elite. Now to get Texas back to that level, it is not necessarily the biggest name, but someone who can take the current talent and develop it. Look at Florida in 2007 or Ohio State in 2002. These coaches were both in their second year, took teams that did not do much the prior 3-4 years under a different coach, won a national championship with the predecessor's players. What is even more astounding is the number of players on those teams that made impacts in the NFL. Remember these players were inherited, which means the new regime developed them. That is what Texas needs.