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[Embrey]

I know what you are getting at but for the sake of argument I will stipulate the trouble in hiring Gilbert was not Charlie's fault.

He is still a failure as a head coach and needs to go. So I don't see what difference it makes.

IMO.

I think there are plenty of reasons one could make to fire Charlie. I hear the failed negotiation being thrown around to further that argument. I cannot confirm if the allegation is true. If I confirm it is true I will drop it. Why is everybody so sensitive to getting to the answer to this question?
The difference it makes is this: The criticism that he is not satisfactory as a coach is one thing. His record is what it is. Period. The criticism that he screwed up the negotiation has not been confirmed yet it is being used to further the argument to fire him.

If you are going to fire him, fire his ass for not winning enough. Don't fire him, in part, on unfounded innuendo.

 

[Bear19]

I think there are plenty of reasons one could make to fire Charlie. I hear the failed negotiation being thrown around to further that argument. I cannot confirm if the allegation is true. If I confirm it is true I will drop it. Why is everybody so sensitive to getting to the answer to this question?

The difference it makes is this: The criticism that he is not satisfactory as a coach is one thing. His record is what it is. Period. The criticism that he screwed up the negotiation has not been confirmed yet it is being used to further the argument to fire him.

If you are going to fire him, fire his ass for not winning enough. Don't fire him, in part, on unfounded innuendo.

Maybe some feel that way but as I told you it makes no difference to me whatsoever. He is a failure because of what has happened on the field, not in negotiations.

No Other reasons are needed.

 

[TeamMayhall]

I think there are plenty of reasons one could make to fire Charlie. I hear the failed negotiation being thrown around to further that argument. I cannot confirm if the allegation is true. If I confirm it is true I will drop it. Why is everybody so sensitive to getting to the answer to this question?

The difference it makes is this: The criticism that he is not satisfactory as a coach is one thing. His record is what it is. Period. The criticism that he screwed up the negotiation has not been confirmed yet it is being used to further the argument to fire him.

If you are going to fire him, fire his ass for not winning enough. Don't fire him, in part, on unfounded innuendo.

Embrey, I'm not sure if this answers your question specifically, but I remember Sean Adams and Chip Brown reporting on The Bottom Line radio show that:

Stong did not feel it was fair to pay Gilbert more money that Bedford because of his lack of play calling experience. This caused the initial decline by Gilbert, resulting in the infamous late night flight to Tulsa.

They also reported Gilbert demanded Mattox as a package deal.

 

[Embrey]

Embrey, I'm not sure if this answers your question specifically, but I remember Sean Adams and Chip Brown reporting on The Bottom Line radio show that:

Stong did not feel it was fair to pay Gilbert more money that Bedford because of his lack of play calling experience. This caused the initial decline by Gilbert, resulting in the infamous late night flight to Tulsa.

They also reported Gilbert demanded Mattox as a package deal.

Thank you Mayhall. I also heard all of that. The question remains, regardless of what Charlie thought or wanted, did he have the authority to Hire Mattox and did he have the authority to pay Mattox' salary. If he did not, regardless of how Charlie felt, he did not bungle the negotiation.

 

[TeamMayhall]

Thank you Mayhall. I also heard all of that. The question remains, regardless of what Charlie thought or wanted, did he have the authority to Hire Mattox and did he have the authority to pay Mattox' salary. If he did not, regardless of how Charlie felt, he did not bungle the negotiation.

Ahh I see what you're getting at now. I have no clue, however, that would be interesting to know.

 

[Embrey]

Ahh I see what you're getting at now. I have no clue, however, that would be interesting to know.

Exactly. If Charlie didn't screw up the negotiation it means that Fenves and/or Perrin did.

 

[TeamMayhall]

Exactly. If Charlie didn't screw up the negotiation it means that Fenves and/or Perrin did.

In addition to that, Wth happened with the Cumbie negotiations? I think I also remember hearing that went horribly.

 

[Bear19]

Sounds to me like he is saying the reason Perrin had to go to Tulsa was because Charlie would not pay Gilbert more than Bedford.

 

[Embrey]

Sounds to me like he is saying the reason Perrin had to go to Tulsa was because Charlie would not pay Gilbert more than Bedford.

Maybe he didn't want to. The question is was he authorized to. If he was, it was Charlie's choice. Period. If not, Perrin went to Tulsa to authorize that Texas would pay Mattox.

 

[Embrey]

In addition to that, Wth happened with the Cumbie negotiations? I think I also remember hearing that went horribly.

And on a lighter note, TCU scored six points today off of an Oklahoma State fumble at their own 5 yard line. You might have dodged a bullet there.

 

[TeamMayhall]

And on a lighter note, TCU scored six points today off of an Oklahoma State fumble at their own 5 yard line. You might have dodged a bullet there.

Personally, I like the potential of Gilbert's offense. Specifically, I like the physicality of it a lot. In some scenarios, It definitely seems that Gilbert is learning on-the-job with his play calling. However, I am confident that after this season is over, he and Mattox will re-watch every game and learn from their mistakes.

 

[DMAC]

The question remains, regardless of what Charlie thought or wanted, did he have the authority to Hire Mattox and did he have the authority to pay Mattox' salary. 

Just a thought but if this was the case it was poor planning on the entire department.

Mattox and Gilbert have been joined at hip since graduate assistants and that should have been expected.

 

[TeamMayhall]

Just a thought but if this is the case its poor planning on the entire department.

THIS...is probably the most accurate assumption.

 

[Embrey]

Personally, I like the potential of Gilbert's offense. Specifically, I like the physicality of it a lot. In some scenarios, It definitely seems that Gilbert is learning on-the-job with his play calling. However, I am confident that after this season is over, he and Mattox will re-watch every game and learn from their mistakes.

Kind of a nerdy response to your comment but I noticed a few games back that Buechele was either throwing hitches out on the flanks or the over the top ball. The defenders were covering the flanks aggressively and usually had double coverage on the deep ball. Texas lost. The next game Gilbert had guys running curls a bit deeper downfield. The defense had to adjust which, when paired with the Foreman ground attack, opened up both the hitches and the deep balls.

Gilbert is figuring it out.