For those of you doubting Tyrone Swoopes

[Bandit]

Heard will supplant Swoopes as #2 by mid season. I doubt Swoopes ever sees meaningful time as the QB of the Longhorns unless Ash is hurt early in the season and they have to play him. And for the last time, Swoopes was a Mack pick. If Swoopes ever transfers, you will not see Boise State as places he might go.

 

[TexasFirst1]

Charlie needs to be all over Michael Brewer if Tech cannot block him from UT after he graduates in May. Brewer is a real player if his back is ok and he could beat out Ash straight up.

 

[DBut82]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like Swoopes. But Jerod Heard will step on campus and within days establish himself as the clear #2. Now, staff my still opt to shirt him but he'll be better than most are expecting. I'm telling you folks he is special.
He's mobile with a very live arm with accuracy. But what I like best are the following: 1 - Moxy , . kid's a player who wants to be in THAT situation where fate is in his hands. 2 - Poised, composed, you'll not understand how he can be that way while so young. 3 - He's a thinking QB, and it will show in many of the plays he makes.

I've seen lots of HS football in the past few years, both watching my son and watching with my son (playoffs). This kid was the only QB I've seen who literally made me say "he's special."

I agree but with that being said, he was still the second best qb in the state, behind Kyler Murray. He's "special". But I'm VERY high on Heard. My bro in law coaches him at Guyer. The kid is something else; an athletic freak!

 

[doc longhorn]

SHL - "I have no idea why you would hope that."

Because I don't want a true freshman playing D1 QB at the University of Texas, I don't care how good he is. In the first place, he doesn't have to because we have two experienced QB's in front of him. In the second place what is the advantage of throwing a teenager in the fire pit and possibly getting him injured or discouraged - when we don't have to. Finally, even Manziel, Vince Young and Bridgewater got a red shirt year as freshmen.

SHL - "On the Gotcha, read again. VY hasn't played HS ball in some time and I never saw him play in person anyway."

Well, I assumed you've been around a while. VY's last HS year was 2002, at Houston Madison, and he was beyond incredible.

As far as Heard - I have watched a few of his games, including the state championship game this year. He is the real deal, alright, but so is Swoopes.

This is what baffles me about Swoopes and his detractors. Here I have provided visual evidence of his incredible talent and yet there are those that still want to disregard him. Maybe I have missed something and someone needs to post a clip whereby Swoopes was just awful.

Would anyone here want to play against Swoopes if he were at OU, Baylor or aggy?

I'm not saying Swoopes will wind up with the Heisman - far from it - but I AM saying this boy has unique talents and, if he responds to good coaching, will have people on here singing a different story. Thass all.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I was only talking about the last few years on the games watched thing.

Again, I'm not knocking Swoopes and it would tickle me to death if he were to make Heard's redshirt a non-issue. The more quality QBs we have the better our team will be - and that's always good with me.

I dont have a problem playing a freshman. If the only issue you can point to is the word "freshman" then I'm going to play him if his quality of play dictates that he's the best I have at my disposal. I don't bench the best player in favor of an experienced player who isn't as good. That's how Mack operated. I do agree that ideally, you redshirt a frosh QB under normal circumstances. But that's what I'm saying. Heard is not normal.

 

[Tulsahorn]

I have no idea why you would hope that. You're talking Mack Brown's approach to the depth chart. I want no part of that. If Jerod Heard is the second best QB, he better be #2 on the depth chart.
That said, I'd really like to see him shirt. But, he can suit up as #2 throughout the schedule. If Ash goes down against Kansas, then go with Swoopes and save the Heard shirt.

On the Gotcha, read again. VY hasn't played HS ball in some time and I never saw him play in person anyway. But I do catch quite a few 5A games in a district that features Coppell, Hebron, FM Marcus, Denton Ryan and has featured Plano, Plano W, Plano E, Allen, SL Carroll. So I've seen quite a few good QBs in person. None had me giddy like Heard.

I also saw Coppell DE Solomon Thomas, Hebron S Jamal Adams and Ennis DE James Lockhart in person the past two years. I have thoroughly enjoyed seeing them all.

Not sure what you are saying - you want him as the #2 QB all year. Then if needed go to Swoopes? Why would he be taking 2nd string reps, then not used?

I hear the belly aching all the time that mack played seniority over talent. I call BS, since no one saw practice. Reminds me of the pissing and moaning that Chiles wasn't playing, and turns out he didn't deserve it anyway. People you never see play or practice always for some should replace starters they don't like.

If a true freshman QB is our second best option, we are in trouble. True freshman QB's rarely if ever are ready, especially coming into the fall, not with a spring under their belt.

The difference between HS football and B12 D1 action is light years. Pinning your hopes on what you saw vs. HS talent is going to disappoint you a lot. Ask GG, Chance Mock, Jeavan Snead or a thousand more.

 

[doc longhorn]

I was only talking about the last few years on the games watched thing.
Again, I'm not knocking Swoopes and it would tickle me to death if he were to make Heard's redshirt a non-issue. The more quality QBs we have the better our team will be - and that's always good with me.

I dont have a problem playing a freshman. If the only issue you can point to is the word "freshman" then I'm going to play him if his quality of play dictates that he's the best I have at my disposal. I don't bench the best player in favor of an experienced player who isn't as good. That's how Mack operated. I do agree that ideally, you redshirt a frosh QB under normal circumstances. But that's what I'm saying. Heard is not normal.

Well, to me, Ash and Swoopes would have to be extremely bad and/or Heard to be superior to Vince Young in his prime, for me to play a true freshman over them. You must really think very little of Ash and Swoopes to even consider playing Heard over them - especially Heard's first year. And, no, he won't be better than Ash and probably not Swoopes either. Heard is hugely talented, but he is not magical. I have seen his clips as well. Of course, these are all just my opinions and only based on what I have watched on TV.

Mack playing a true freshman (Swoopes and Ash) is because of his gawdawful recruitment of Gilbert and Case McCoy and because when Ash went down, there was no one behind Case BUT Swoopes.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

1. Why take 2nd string reps, then not used against a team like Kansas?

I think rephrashing your question just answered your question. Plus, I put the answer in the statement you're taking from here. You don't burn a shirt on Kansas, that's why. You can beat Kansas with Swoopes.

2. This isn't Chiles and it's well documented that better players were not playing, not because of talent or practice, but because "skins on the wall" by upperclassmen.

3. With most true freshmen, yes. I agree, they are RARELY ready for prime time. Heard is RARE. Hello?

4. Never thought GG was anything more than the product of a system. CM, IMO, was a LB in a QB's shoes but I loved him just the same. Snead, we hardly even knew you. What? No Jason Barron? None of these three QBs were breathing the same air as Heard. Hello?

Let's get something clear here - you just spent a season with Case McCoy as your starter. Heard was a better QB than McCoy - TWO YEARS AGO.

 

[doc longhorn]

1. Why take 2nd string reps, then not used against a team like Kansas?
I think rephrashing your question just answered your question. Plus, I put the answer in the statement you're taking from here. You don't burn a shirt on Kansas, that's why. You can beat Kansas with Swoopes.

2. This isn't Chiles and it's well documented that better players were not playing, not because of talent or practice, but because "skins on the wall" by upperclassmen.

3. With most true freshmen, yes. I agree, they are RARELY ready for prime time. Heard is RARE. Hello?

4. Never thought GG was anything more than the product of a system. CM, IMO, was a LB in a QB's shoes but I loved him just the same. Snead, we hardly even knew you. What? No Jason Barron? None of these three QBs were breathing the same air as Heard. Hello?

Let's get something clear here - you just spent a season with Case McCoy as your starter. Heard was a better QB than McCoy - TWO YEARS AGO.

LOL - I love your passion for Heard and lets get something clear here as well - I think Heard is the QB of the future as well. But he will be 3rd string this year - book it.

Here is something else I believe - if Swoopes ramps up to HIS potential, this year, then we will have a full blown QB controversy next year and it won't be between Swoopes and Heard - it will be between Swoopes and ASH!

Ha, ha - and I can't believe you compared him to Case McCoy.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

LOL - I love your passion for Heard and lets get something clear here as well - I think Heard is the QB of the future as well. But he will be 3rd string this year - book it.
Here is something else I believe - if Swoopes ramps up to HIS potential, this year, then we will have a full blown QB controversy next year and it won't be between Swoopes and Heard - it will be between Swoopes and ASH!

Ha, ha - and I can't believe you compared him to Case McCoy.

Well, if we're worried about quality and Case was the very best Texas had last year - the argument gets rather easy. And Swoopes could not unseat McCoy.

But again, if we're having a heated battle at QB because of so much quality, I'm not complaining. Texas is better for it.

 

[doc longhorn]

Well, if we're worried about quality and Case was the very best Texas had last year - the argument gets rather easy. And Swoopes could not unseat McCoy.
But again, if we're having a heated battle at QB because of so much quality, I'm not complaining. Texas is better for it.

I liked the second sentence of your comment.

But I take issue with your first as it was unfair. You know very well that Swoopes was supposed to RS and Brewer was the 3rd string QB before he transferred. And you are just whistling Dixie if you think Mack would have benched Case in favor of Heard. That would not have happened anymore than it did with Swoopes.

 

[Sirhornsalot]

I liked the second sentence of your comment.
But I take issue with your first as it was unfair. You know very well that Swoopes was supposed to RS and Brewer was the 3rd string QB before he transferred. And you are just whistling Dixie if you think Mack would have benched Case in favor of Heard. That would not have happened anymore than it did with Swoopes.

Oh, could not agree more. That's one of the things I didn't like about Mack. So you're right on with that. . . . but me? Unfair? This is not one of my better days he he