Estelle dismissed

[primal defense]

please god, not more NEGATIVE NATIONAL HEADLINES!​

just how much more of this weekly / monthly crap can we continue to take?​

how can coach strong ever expect to finally field an actual TEAM... if his TEAM is constantly in a state of TURMOIL?​

today, we just lost a great prospective TE recruit to arkansas.... who's next?​

 

[streettopeschel]

Y'all leave poor Monarch alone.

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Sooo.....according to Monarch we should acquiesce to whatever the talking heads at ESPN say about OUR program?

What's a little dope-smoking if it upgrades our O-Line, right?  Go to class?  Treat women with respect?  Geez...get with the times, CFS!  Those old-school values will never play with today's parents or recruits!  F--- core values.

Just win, baby!

 

[JimR]

please god, not more NEGATIVE NATIONAL HEADLINES!​

just how much more of this weekly / monthly crap can we continue to take?​

how can coach strong ever expect to finally field an actual TEAM... if his TEAM is constantly in a state of TURMOIL?​

today, we just lost a great prospective TE recruit to arkansas.... who's next?​

WAH F'ING WAH 

 

[Juan]

Here is Chip's piece on Estelle

http://texas.scout.com/story/1454501-details-of-kennedy-estelle-s-dismissal?s=110

The first week of September, I reported Estelle and Desmond Harrison told Charlie Strong they had a problem with substance abuse/addiction, and Strong went the extra mile of getting them into rehab supervised by UT personnel.

The two were separated from the rest of the team and have not been practicing while going through a substance abuse/addiction program. But they were allowed to remain on scholarship, which had to be cleared through UT administrators because, technically, for the scholarship contract to be honored, a student-athlete has to be actively participating in their sport.

I was told Harrison and Estelle would both be out six weeks (starting the first week of September) while undergoing rehab. If everything went successfully, they could return to the team with a possible return to the field in October.

Sources close to the situation told HornsDigest Tuesday Estelle violated the terms of his rehab program, leading to his dismissal from the team by Charlie Strong. If Estelle truly has a substance abuse/addiction problem, then you hope he can get his life together and get the help he needs.

Those inside the program said Estelle's attitude toward football just deteriorated over the past couple years - that he seemed more interested in trying to start a rap career than spend the time necessary to improve on the football field.

Sources told HD there was serious doubt inside the program before the season about if Estelle and Daje Johnson could make it through fall camp and into the season without another team rules violation. There was thought that Harrison would get it together, because he tends to follow the behavior of the people he's around. And it appeared Harrison was on the right track.

 * * * *

A lot of the dismissals have been related to failed drug tests, sources said. The school has a drug policy for student-athletes that calls for counseling after the first failed test and dismissal after the third failed test.

Drug tests at UT are administered by a staff independent of any single sport's medical personnel. When a student-athlete has a third failed test, it goes to the UT athletic director and president's office and dismissal proceedings begin.  In some of the previous instances, Strong may have recommended when a drug test should be administered to players, sources told HD.

  * * * * 

In the instance of Harrison and Estelle, I'm told, the players acknowledged to UT officials they have a substance abuse problem and sought to go to rehab.

Sources said Strong argued that instead of dismissing them, sending Harrison and Estelle back to the streets, where they could fall through the cracks, that they instead be allowed to remain in school and go through rehab.

 * * * * 

Sources told HornsDigest that RB Joe Bergeron was dismissed after a third failed drug test but was not given the chance to go to rehab.

Sources told HD Harrison and Estelle admitted they had a problem and wanted treatment, while Bergeron did not. Those sources said Bergeron argued that his third failed test - leading to his dismissal - was inaccurate. The validity of Bergeron's failed test, however, was upheld by the school. Bergeron has since transferred to Division II Texas A&M Commerce, where he is playing this season.

--- quite a bit more at the link --

 

[utisdabomb12]

Here is Chip's piece on Estelle

http://texas.scout.com/story/1454501-details-of-kennedy-estelle-s-dismissal?s=110

The first week of September, I reported Estelle and Desmond Harrison told Charlie Strong they had a problem with substance abuse/addiction, and Strong went the extra mile of getting them into rehab supervised by UT personnel.

The two were separated from the rest of the team and have not been practicing while going through a substance abuse/addiction program. But they were allowed to remain on scholarship, which had to be cleared through UT administrators because, technically, for the scholarship contract to be honored, a student-athlete has to be actively participating in their sport.

I was told Harrison and Estelle would both be out six weeks (starting the first week of September) while undergoing rehab. If everything went successfully, they could return to the team with a possible return to the field in October.

Sources close to the situation told HornsDigest Tuesday Estelle violated the terms of his rehab program, leading to his dismissal from the team by Charlie Strong. If Estelle truly has a substance abuse/addiction problem, then you hope he can get his life together and get the help he needs.

Those inside the program said Estelle's attitude toward football just deteriorated over the past couple years - that he seemed more interested in trying to start a rap career than spend the time necessary to improve on the football field.

Sources told HD there was serious doubt inside the program before the season about if Estelle and Daje Johnson could make it through fall camp and into the season without another team rules violation. There was thought that Harrison would get it together, because he tends to follow the behavior of the people he's around. And it appeared Harrison was on the right track.

 * * * *

A lot of the dismissals have been related to failed drug tests, sources said. The school has a drug policy for student-athletes that calls for counseling after the first failed test and dismissal after the third failed test.

Drug tests at UT are administered by a staff independent of any single sport's medical personnel. When a student-athlete has a third failed test, it goes to the UT athletic director and president's office and dismissal proceedings begin.  In some of the previous instances, Strong may have recommended when a drug test should be administered to players, sources told HD.

  * * * * 

In the instance of Harrison and Estelle, I'm told, the players acknowledged to UT officials they have a substance abuse problem and sought to go to rehab.

Sources said Strong argued that instead of dismissing them, sending Harrison and Estelle back to the streets, where they could fall through the cracks, that they instead be allowed to remain in school and go through rehab.

 * * * * 

Sources told HornsDigest that RB Joe Bergeron was dismissed after a third failed drug test but was not given the chance to go to rehab.

Sources told HD Harrison and Estelle admitted they had a problem and wanted treatment, while Bergeron did not. Those sources said Bergeron argued that his third failed test - leading to his dismissal - was inaccurate. The validity of Bergeron's failed test, however, was upheld by the school. Bergeron has since transferred to Division II Texas A&M Commerce, where he is playing this season.

--- quite a bit more at the link --

Sounds to me like Estelle needs to get checked into a rehab facility and give up football until he can get his life in order. 

 

[monarch]

Y'all leave poor Monarch alone.

who told you that little ole monarch was hereby poor?​

if only you knew...​

 

[streettopeschel]

who told you that little ole monarch was hereby poor?

if only you knew...

the boys in Kabul and Bali have loose lips.

 

[monarch]

from the desk of: ambassador joeywa

Help! Help! The sky is falling!!

The TE recruit was a piggy lean most of the way. There still may be some turns in the road for him before NSD. This is merely an oral commit. UT coaches are still in contact from everything I've read.

And maybe we should just suspend the football program altogether because of a few bad apples; makes sense, right? Of course not. There are a ton of good kids doing things the right way on this Texas team. Easy rules. Just follow them. If not you're gone. Period. Simple concept.
No need to hit the panic button because of the dismissals of a few numbskulls.

now now, ambassador joeywa.  no one has hereby stated that the "sky was falling".  my foremost concerns, stemmed as per the seemingly never ending NEGATIVE NATIONAL HEADLINES that these weekly / monthly TEXAS player dismissals are doing... not only to the overall morale of our current football team... but also to the overall prestige as per our great institution of higher learning.  upon my most honest opinion, it would have been much better overall... had coach strong decided to extend his iron fist of discipline right before the season actually started, then to have this ongoing weekly / monthly national circus.  i for one, fully support coach strong's all important stance upon his "core values".  however, the constant upheaval vs public relations mayhem that these negative headlines are hereby causing our national image... has to without a doubt, be of the foremost concern as per our university officials, alumni, and bmd's.  but please do not fret one bit ambassador joeywa, for trust me, it get it.  "no need to hit the panic button."  right?

 

[monarch]

the boys in Kabul and Bali have loose lips.

....oh really.  well upon that note, then you should be one happy boerne fella!  heck, some might even say... boerne again!​

no boy's are hereby allowed in my club...​

 

[drgilbert]

Monarch, I don't think it is negative that CFS is kicking kids off the team. He is cleaning house so what he is doing may be a black eye on MB but is a positive for UT. Multiple parents and recruits(VAHE) are embracing the core values every time CFS kicks a malcontent off the team it is proof positive of his resolve

 

[utisdabomb12]

Monarch, I don't think it is negative that CFS is kicking kids off the team. He is cleaning house so what he is doing may be a black eye on MB but is a positive for UT. Multiple parents and recruits(VAHE) are embracing the core values every time CFS kicks a malcontent off the team it is proof positive of his resolve

So has most media. 

 

[monarch]

Monarch, I don't think it is negative that CFS is kicking kids off the team. He is cleaning house so what he is doing may be a black eye on MB but is a positive for UT. Multiple parents and recruits(VAHE) are embracing the core values every time CFS kicks a malcontent off the team it is proof positive of his resolve

drgilbert, have you actually read any of my statements.  upon how many times, do i have to constantly reiterate to this forum vs website, that i have no problem with coach charlie strong's stance upon his "core values".  i have no problem upon coach charlie strong's terminations vs dismissals of football player's that are hereby constantly breaking the team appointed rules.....

therefore, please note drgilbert... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... my angst stems, as per the CONSTANT WEEKLY vs MONTLY BARRAGE OF NEGATIVE NATIONAL HEADLINES constantly keeping the university of texas upon the national stage in the most negative aspects.  this is what i am disgusted with.  i have hereby stated this simple fact a gazillion times.... over and over again!  i just wish that coach strong had dealt firmly as per these precarious issues from the very beginning with these corrupt player's... vs keeping this public nuisance permeating throughout this most fragile gridiron season.

 

[drgilbert]

Yes sir Mr Monarch I have read your posts. This is about your post talking about negative national headlines. Is it a negative or positive that CFS is holding steadfast? I see the as a positive. If you cut out the cancer that is positive. Again this is only in response to just one of your statements not your love for UT

 

[monarch]

Yes sir Mr Monarch I have read your posts. This is about your post talking about negative national headlines. Is it a negative or positive that CFS is holding steadfast? I see the as a positive. If you cut out the cancer that is positive. Again this is only in response to just one of your statements not your love for UT

well sir, since you are a doctor... then you should hereby understand that "cancer's" come in all forms.  this particular cancer that i am worried about... is the CANCER OF BAD PUBLIC RELATIONS.  for once and for all, i want this particular UT FOOTBALL RELATED CANCER to go into remission forever.  this shall be in lieu of our prospective recruits not starting to turn away from our great institution of higher learning that is TEXAS.  our football team, is now experiencing a whole new mode of growth and culture.  today's young football recruits, have become extremely sensitive vs impressionable.  these kids tend to steer away from constant and profound image shattering drama.  i just do not want to see our great university experience any form of negative repercussions, as per all of these outlying precarious issues.

 

[drgilbert]

What is worse public perception, Strong kicking these kids off the team of these kids getting thrown in jail in a couple of years? Let's just let the process play out and enjoy the progress we have made. If these recruits can't handle the core values do we really need them?

 

[Juan]

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011


— Twitter API (@twitterapi) November 7, 2011

 

[primal defense]

I strongly disagree with anyone who says this is an embarrassment to the University of Texas. I also disagree with anyone who says Coach Strong should have cut the players at the beginning of the season. After reading Chip's article, I have appreciation for Coach Strong trying to help the players on probation.

I figure this is another battle of what Coach Strong has said, "They must become us.  We will never become them."

This is a fact about Mike Gundy's first year at Oklahoma State, sounds like they were a laughing stock. Looks like it turned out okay for Gundy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gundy

In 2001, the Oklahoma State University head football coach job became vacant when Bob Simmons resigned and a search produced Les Miles and Mike Gundy as the finalists. Miles was hired as head coach and Gundy was brought aboard as offensive coordinator. The team would go on to three straight bowl games in Miles' last three years as head coach and when Miles left in 2004 to take the LSU job, Gundy was named immediately as Miles successor and the 22nd head coach at Oklahoma State.

His first season saw the expulsion of eleven players from the team and the Cowboys struggled to a 4–7 record winning only one Big 12 conference game.

 

[Juan]

Texas football team drug testing rate doubles under Charlie Stronghttp://www.mystatesman.com/news/sports/college-football/texas-football-team-drug-testing-rate-doubles-unde/nhTN9/?icmp=statesman_internallink_textlink_apr2013_statesmanstubtomystatesman_launch#3ef01b1c.3703420.735500

The number of drug tests administered to University of Texas football players has skyrocketed under first-year coach Charlie Strong, according to university data obtained by the American-Statesman through an open records request.

According to university records, an average of 104 tests were administered annually to football players from 2010 to 2013, the last four years under former coach Mack Brown. A total of 188 tests were administered the first eight months this year under Strong. At an annualized rate, that’s more than double the previous four years.

UT athletes know they can be drug tested at any time for any reason. The school’s 2014-15 student-athlete handbook states that athletes “may be tested numerous times during any given academic year.â€

The entire football team was drug tested in March just after spring break, said Allen Hardin, an associate athletics director who oversees UT’s sports medicine and drug testing program. Then, Strong and the medical staff started looking for possible repeat offenders.

“We identify those who are more at-risk and they are tested more frequently,†said Hardin, who is in his 18th year on campus. He reports directly to women’s athletic director Chris Plonsky.

A total of 104 drug tests were administered from March 19-28, according to university records. Then on April 11, another 18 players were tested. Two tests were administered on April 30, and one more came on May 3. Players were tested during the summer, as 15 tests were administered on July 19. Two players were tested on Aug. 11, right in the middle of training camp as the players and coaches were living together in the dorms.

Seven more came on Aug. 22 and another seven players were tested the day before the season opener against North Texas, according to records. Brown usually tested players in the spring and mid-October, but never during training camp or before the season opener, records indicate.

According to UT’s drug policies, urine samples or oral fluid samples are tested for substances currently banned by the NCAA, which include stimulants, anabolic steroids, street drugs, diuretics and other masking agents. The UT handbook states there is no complete list of banned drug examples.

The Big 12 and NCAA routinely conduct random drug tests at its championship events. Failed tests could result in a year-long suspension. The NCAA puts the burden on individual schools to test during the school year. The UT handbook does not specify a minimum number of tests an athlete would be subjected to during the year. The NCAA claims to spend $5 million annually on drug testing and education programs.

Information obtained by the American-Statesman does not indicate how many UT football players tested positive. However, the university’s general counsel will not allow information to be released if it can be reasonably traced back to individual students, citing federal privacy laws.

-- LOTS MORE AT THE LINK --

 

[echeese]

Y'all leave poor Monarch alone.

Poor?

Heard teh bastid is awash in cash . . . .. 



Can't believe he's never bought as much as a round. . .