Welcome to the HornSports Forum

By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our Texas Longhorns message board community.

SignUp Now!

Dodds vs Patterson

Joined
Oct 14, 2013
Messages
1,851
I wonder what the differences we are going to see.? Dodds was arguably the best AD in the business. I know the last few years have not been kind to our Top 3 sports but, the money was made.

I'm looking forward to seeing Patterson take it to the next level.

BTW, this post is to invite any bashing so, let's keep the replies thought provocative.

 
Patterson has extensive experience in sports business. I think he will do a great job. Now that mack is out and that situation is over watch the coaching search. It won't be anything like the past few weeks

 
Patterson seems like a sharp guy.

Has NCAA, NBA, and NFL experience. Love the fact that he's a Texas-Ex with a UT Law degree. Hopefully, he'll hire the right guys for our Big 3 sports and build a nice replacement to The Drum. Exciting times for UT athletics!

 
I wonder what the differences we are going to see.? Dodds was arguably the best AD in the business. I know the last few years have not been kind to our Top 3 sports but, the money was made.
I'm looking forward to seeing Patterson take it to the next level.

BTW, this post is to invite any bashing so, let's keep the replies thought provocative.
Dodds could be a cocksu@ker when he wanted to be and I mean that as a compliment. He p!ssed off the farmers so much they left the conference. We need someone who can play hardball when its needed. His "We are the Joneses" was an all time Hall of Fame comment that still has Bill Byrne spitting nails. I hope Patterson is half as good as Deloss. If he is, we are in GREAT shape.

 
Patterson does not come across as a shameless ass kisser. He seems to be a business man who enjoys doing his job more than placating the media.

Breath of fresh air.

 
Not to bash Dodds, but he came to the job as a guy's who's sum total experience was 13 years as the Kansas State track coach and 5 years as the KState AD with a PE degree.

Steve Patterson on the other hand graduated from UT with both his undergrad degree and law degree. He went directly to work for the Houston Rockets after graduating law school in 1985 and became the GM of the Rockets in 1989. He was responsible for architecting the roster that went on to win back to back NBA championships. He was then President of the Houston Aeros from 1994-1997 where he was named the IHL's Executive of the Year in 1995. From 1997-2003 he was the SVP and Chief Development Officer for the Houston Texans responsible for landing the franchise award from the NFL and getting Reliant Stadium built. From 2003 to 2007 he was the GM of the Portland Trail Blazers where he was responsible for drafting Lamarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy. From 2007-2012 he was the Chief Operating Officer of Arizona State Athletics responsible for all capital construction projects, operations of facilities, and business operations. From 2012-2013 he was the Arizona State Athletic Director where he dramatically reshaped the Athletic Department removing 100+ employees streamlining the organization.

I submit Patterson is absolutely the right man to take this thing to another level. I feel like after surviving the nightmare of this past week he's in a great position to do some serious open field running from now until the start of the 2014 football season. He will completely reshape the athletic department with a new head football coach, basketball coach, and baseball coach to go along with fixing the "academic support" group, handle the removal of Plonsky and "her culture", along with streamlining the AD's office overall into a more efficient and effective organization. He will eliminate the entitlement, bloat, nepotism, dysfunction, and rampant sex scandals from the Bellmont culture.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Dodds was given 15 years of being a failure before Brown was hired. A hire he did not make.

 
Dodds kept score based on the financials rather than program performance. I've seen him give presentations many times and each one of those times he gave us an update on revenues and TV contracts. Every time. It was always easy to see that he took great pride in those numbers. I would go so far as to say he was somewhat smug about them, especially relative to the revenues generated by other programs. By comparison, I have never heard him dwell on our won-loss against Oklahoma. Indeed, I am not sure I have ever heard him discuss that, unless responding to a question. To Dodds, neither the record of the football team nor the basketball team nor the baseball mattered. What mattered was what we got from ESPN for the LHN.

Dodds also let the athletic department become a bloated, nepotistic behemoth that more closely resembled a Soviet Era bureaucracy than a streamlined and efficient business model. We may have had great value in the marketplace due to our size, tradition and popularity but below the surface, we operated more like one of those ridiculously overcrowded trains that cross India with people barely hanging on everywhere.

Lastly, I was never a fan of his "WE ARE THE JONESES!" image branding of my school. While it may be true, I nonetheless do not believe this is the type of thing you state to the media and/or rub in the faces of the other schools we both do regular business with and face regularly on the various fields of competition. It is bulletin board material for our opponents who do not need any more incentive. It's simply not smart. Furthermore, that type of messaging from the top, stereotypes the entire culture of UT as greedy, arrogant and insensitive. I just do not see that it has ever helped us. If you must say it, then say it in private. But don't say it as the representative of all of us. I have no doubt that this attitude played at least some part in the manner in which one-time fellow conference members tripped over each other to get away from us and into another conference. With the exception of OU, all of them that could get away from us without losing standing and revenues did so.

I hope that Steve Patterson is smarter than this. I like his pedigree. He has the reputation of someone not afraid to make quick and decisive changes. However, it certainly did not look like he was going to live up to that reputation based over the last several days. Part of me wanted to cut him some slack for the situation he stepped into. But he knew what he was in for. If he did not, then it is his own fault. I am also troubled by this idea that he put out that it was all up to his employee, Mack Brown, to decide whether Mack Brown would continue as the coach. This is not how employment contracts work. No doubt Steve wanted to show deference to Mack the icon. But there are plenty of other and better ways to show deference. It doesn't ever have to go so far as letting the employee decide whether the employee continues his employment. That is your job.

Perhaps behind the public statements, the reality was something different. I hope so. Because, if what he said publicly was true then Mack Brown could just as easily be coaching the team through 2014, and beyond. If Mack brown told Patterson he was going to coach through the end of his contract in 2020, then there was apparently nothing Patterson could do about it. It sounds ridiculous but Patterson claims it was all up to Mack. Upon taking control Patterson immediately ceded control. It makes no sense. It is concerning to me.

I will hope for the best but admit I am already skeptical.

I did not intend to write that much when I started. Sorry.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Dodds kept score based on the financials rather than program performance. I've seen him give presentations many times and each one of those times he gave us an update on revenues and TV contracts. Every time. It was always easy to see that he took great pride in those numbers. I would go so far as to say he was somewhat smug about them, especially relative to the revenues generated by other programs. By comparison, I have never heard him dwell on our won-loss against Oklahoma. Indeed, I am not sure I have ever heard him discuss that, unless responding to a question. To Dodds, neither the record of the football team nor the basketball team nor the baseball mattered. What mattered was what we got from ESPN for the LHN.
Dodds also let the athletic department become a bloated, nepotistic behemoth that more closely resembled a Soviet Era bureaucracy than a streamlined and efficient business model. We may have had great value in the marketplace due to our size, tradition and popularity but below the surface, we operated more like one of those ridiculously overcrowded trains that cross India with people barely hanging on everywhere.

Lastly, I was never a fan of his "WE ARE THE JONESES!" image branding of my school. While it may be true, I nonetheless do not believe this is the type of thing you state to the media and/or rub in the faces of the other schools we both do regular business with and face regularly on the various fields of competition. It is bulletin board material for our opponents who do not need any more incentive. It's simply not smart. Furthermore, that type of messaging from the top, stereotypes the entire culture of UT as greedy, arrogant and insensitive. I just do not see that it has ever helped us. If you must say it, then say it in private. But don't say it as the representative of all of us. I have no doubt that this attitude played at least some part in the manner in which one-time fellow conference members tripped over each other to get away from us and into another conference. With the exception of OU, all of them that could get away from us without losing standing and revenues did so.

I hope that Steve Patterson is smarter than this. I like his pedigree. He has the reputation of someone not afraid to make quick and decisive changes. However, it certainly did not look like he was going to live up to that reputation based over the last several days. Part of me wanted to cut him some slack for the situation he stepped into. But he knew what he was in for. If he did not, then it is his own fault. I am also troubled by this idea that he put out that it was all up to his employee, Mack Brown, to decide whether Mack Brown would continue as the coach. This is not how employment contracts work. No doubt Steve wanted to show deference to Mack the icon. But there are plenty of other and better ways to show deference. It doesn't ever have to go so far as letting the employee decide whether the employee continues his employment. That is your job.

Perhaps behind the public statements, the reality was something different. I hope so. Because, if what he said publicly was true then Mack Brown could just as easily be coaching the team through 2014, and beyond. If Mack brown told Patterson he was going to coach through the end of his contract in 2020, then there was apparently nothing Patterson could do about it. It sounds ridiculous but Patterson claims it was all up to Mack. Upon taking control Patterson immediately ceded control. It makes no sense. It is concerning to me.

I will hope for the best but admit I am already skeptical.

I did not intend to write that much when I started. Sorry.
Very nice post, thanks for sharing that insight. I would be careful about judging Patterson based on anything that happened last week. He found himself in a gunfight and didn't even have a butter knife at his disposal to deal with things. Try walking into the President's office and telling him and the Chairman of the Board (Jamail) your firing their protected buddy and see how that goes over. Patterson was the lowest ranking guy in the room and didn't have much/any room for maneuver under the circumstances. In fact, his only real play was to let what happened happen knowing that it would trigger an avalanche of movement on the issue once the Steamrollers found out Powers had betrayed them and Mack had sabotaged everything with the help of Jamail. Now we find ourselves cleansed of Mack Brown and Powers mortally wounded politically in terms of his relationship with the Steamroller contingent...which includes 2 Board of Regent members with the swing votes to remove him from his position at any time. He can now move forward empowered. If things turn out great with our coaching hire...who might still be Saban...then his handling of an incredibly difficult situation will be viewed as a great success.

 
Look at the degrees on Patterson's wall...His blood is Burnt ORANGE, you dont have to explain to him what is expected in Austin..I think he was the right hire..It was time to change the Dodds- Brown era

 
Dodds kept score based on the financials rather than program performance. I've seen him give presentations many times and each one of those times he gave us an update on revenues and TV contracts. Every time. It was always easy to see that he took great pride in those numbers. I would go so far as to say he was somewhat smug about them, especially relative to the revenues generated by other programs. By comparison, I have never heard him dwell on our won-loss against Oklahoma. Indeed, I am not sure I have ever heard him discuss that, unless responding to a question. To Dodds, neither the record of the football team nor the basketball team nor the baseball mattered. What mattered was what we got from ESPN for the LHN.
Dodds also let the athletic department become a bloated, nepotistic behemoth that more closely resembled a Soviet Era bureaucracy than a streamlined and efficient business model. We may have had great value in the marketplace due to our size, tradition and popularity but below the surface, we operated more like one of those ridiculously overcrowded trains that cross India with people barely hanging on everywhere.

Lastly, I was never a fan of his "WE ARE THE JONESES!" image branding of my school. While it may be true, I nonetheless do not believe this is the type of thing you state to the media and/or rub in the faces of the other schools we both do regular business with and face regularly on the various fields of competition. It is bulletin board material for our opponents who do not need any more incentive. It's simply not smart. Furthermore, that type of messaging from the top, stereotypes the entire culture of UT as greedy, arrogant and insensitive. I just do not see that it has ever helped us. If you must say it, then say it in private. But don't say it as the representative of all of us. I have no doubt that this attitude played at least some part in the manner in which one-time fellow conference members tripped over each other to get away from us and into another conference. With the exception of OU, all of them that could get away from us without losing standing and revenues did so.

I hope that Steve Patterson is smarter than this. I like his pedigree. He has the reputation of someone not afraid to make quick and decisive changes. However, it certainly did not look like he was going to live up to that reputation based over the last several days. Part of me wanted to cut him some slack for the situation he stepped into. But he knew what he was in for. If he did not, then it is his own fault. I am also troubled by this idea that he put out that it was all up to his employee, Mack Brown, to decide whether Mack Brown would continue as the coach. This is not how employment contracts work. No doubt Steve wanted to show deference to Mack the icon. But there are plenty of other and better ways to show deference. It doesn't ever have to go so far as letting the employee decide whether the employee continues his employment. That is your job.

Perhaps behind the public statements, the reality was something different. I hope so. Because, if what he said publicly was true then Mack Brown could just as easily be coaching the team through 2014, and beyond. If Mack brown told Patterson he was going to coach through the end of his contract in 2020, then there was apparently nothing Patterson could do about it. It sounds ridiculous but Patterson claims it was all up to Mack. Upon taking control Patterson immediately ceded control. It makes no sense. It is concerning to me.

I will hope for the best but admit I am already skeptical.

I did not intend to write that much when I started. Sorry.
I LOVED his "We are the Joneses" comment. It infuriated Bill Byrne so bad his blood pressure is still 10 points higher. As far as "bulletin board material," athletic contests aren't played on bulletin boards. If you think that comment motivated any 20 year old student-athlete from an opposing program, I would have to disagree.

While fans see the competition on the field, there is a totally different game being played among college administrators (Dodds' peers). With Deloss' ego, you bet he wanted to remind his peers at other schools that his program was the envy of all of them. One thing about Texas is we compete at every single level of the game. Frustratingly, we have sucked at horribly as of late at allowing the farmers to do a MUCH better job at promoting media images. A lot of their help has come from the SEC headquarters and CBS promotional people and by the farmers in college station having less to do with their own brand management. If Patterson acts meek and mild around other ADs and puts an emphasis on being "liked" I will be EXTREMELY disappointed. Part of being Texas is being a target for every other program. We are Texas and we better not ever back down from making sure everyone knows it.

As for Deloss and his metrics, Deloss changed the nature of UT athletics by dictating that if we don't have a legitimate shot at competing for a championship in a sport, we weren't going to be in that sport. By doing that, we field fewer teams than most schools, but we also don't have the drain of non-revenue sports. Aggy athletics has had to borrow from its academic side 5 of the last 8 years to pay their bills. Texas is one of the very few schools in the nation where money flows from athletics to support academics. You bet the ags are jealous of our financial position and they HATE it when we remind them who the top dog is. Standards are a lot higher at Texas because of the model Deloss instituted. Some schools enjoy winning. We expect it. Deloss deserves a lot of credit for the financial health of the overall program and he has been envied by almost every other AD out there. When aggy and Mizzou left the Big 12, our athletic budget was bigger than both of theirs combined. The financial benefits of Austin being the largest city in the nation without a pro sports team are not small. For the record, Nebraska hated Texas because we wouldn't allow partial qualifiers in the Big 12 and partial qualifiers were the lifeblood of their football program. They had to do something to get back partial qualifiers and the Big 10 was it. Colorado left because it had more alumni in California than in all the non-Colorado Big 12 footprint, so their alumni pushed for them to play where they could be seen. Mizzou left because the SEC game them a sweetheart deal, not because they were busting to get out, so your theory that our arrogance drove all of them away is limited to aggy and aggy left because they knew they had to get out of the shadow of their larger, wealthier and more successful big brother. (Last year was the first time in 75 years aggy won bowl games in back-to-back seasons. If they win against Duke this year, it will be the first time they won bowl games in 3 straight years in the history of the program. In the BCS games, even Kansas has accomplished more than aggy. Of course aggy wanted away from Texas)

As for the stereotype of Texas, that isn't anything new. The reason OU and UT have such a heated rivalry is because in the 1930s, while the rest of the nation was in the depression, the oil-driven income was starting to flow onto the 40 acres. Drilling activity in Oklahoma dried up in the 1930s and started booming in Texas, so Texans had money and jobs while Okies were living The Grapes of Wrath. Texas (the school) had money and athletic success. We beat the crap out of them on the field and Texans in general mocked Okies in public life every chance they got. Starting in 1946 drilling picked back up in Texas as well as Oklahoma to replace wells overproduced during the war and Oklahoma, recovering financially, had had enough of taking sh!t from the Texans. The NCAA didn't even have any form of penalties or probation until 1953, so OU started buying the best players it could get with one goal in mind - to beat Texas. Big, brash, rich, obnoxious and arrogant have been stereotypes of Texas (the state) for almost a century and when you are the elite public university in Texas, you get tagged with every stereotype the state itself gets tagged with. The wealthiest public university in the nation is going to be hated by the haters. Deloss played that up and I, for one, was glad he never shrunk from or apologized for anything.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Dodds was given 15 years of being a failure before Brown was hired. A hire he did not make.
Everything you said here is bullshit. Everything. I knew I should not have opened this thread.

 
Dodds was an exceptional fundraiser at a time when fundraising was the name of the game. But college football is now a big business and it requires a wide range of skills to perform the job.

The game passed him (Dodds) by and it was time for new blood. Just like it passed by all of his peers, too.

Patterson is very qualified and has the personality for the job, if the admin will get out of his way and give him the freedom to express himself and grow the position.

Patterson was always my top candidate. Why? Because he is a GM. And as I've beaten to death, college athletics needs a complete overhaul of the Organizational Flow Chart. Who should lead that change? The premier big business in college athletics: TEXAS.

I know it will probably never happen, but I want Patterson to create this new personnel dept. It is perfectly set up for him to do just that. Patterson, with approval, can promote himself to GM and then hire a management team below him, including an athletic director type. Restructure the position of power to eliminate the president's role in athletics. A player personnel department reports to the coaches, who report to the AD type, who, along with other management including specialized fields like game day production, facilities, television production, etc, report to the GM, who reports to the Board of Regents.

Yes, we can have Luck and Patterson.

Why? Because I said so. :)

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Back
Top Bottom