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Do You Really Think Charlie's Job Is In Jeopardy?

I'm not convinced he's not. I mean, why are we not even giving Strong 4 years to win the conference but gave Mack, what, 8?  And Mack inherited Ricky Williams. Idk, I'm willing to let the season play out and reevaluate then. We go 6-6 and continue to give up 50 pts/game and endure a couple of blowout losses, then perhaps you're right...
Strongs Horns have more than enough of those type games to last the program a hundred years. Enough is enough. Last Saturday just put an exclamation point on the futility of keeping Strong as head coach.

 
Why do you hope I'm not serious?
Because if you think this team is finishing 10-2 that is just insane. Have you not been watching the last 29 games? Strong is a disaster. Texas is the worst coach team I have ever seen in 40 yrs of watching football. But i'm done talking about it. Lets see what happens in the last 8 games. 

 
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Dbut

The only comparison I see between Mack Brown and Charlie Strong is that they are both football coaches. And I am not being facetious. This current team has been poorly coached since Strong arrived.
What Mack did in year 1 was amazing!  The difference was immediate.  How many years should we give CS  before he equals the wins Mack had the year he was fired? 

 
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Because if you think this team is finishing 10-2 that is just insane. Have you not been watching the last 29 games? Strong is a disaster. Texas is the worst coach team I have ever seen in 40 yrs of watching football. But i'm done talking about it. Lets see what happens in the last 8 games. 
Well, I didn't say that I thought this team was finishing 10-2 just as I didn't say I thought they were finishing 3-9. 

I said they have a chance to win every game left on the schedule. But I don't think for a minute that they will. They also have a chance to lose every game on their schedule, save Kansas. But I don't think they do that either. 

Unless something changes for the better defensively, I think they end up winning 5-7 games. If the light somehow comes on for the defense, then I could see them winning 7-9 games.

Hell, it wouldn't even surprise me if we beat OU. That's just the nature of the beast in this rivalry. But I'm also not putting money on it to happen. 

 
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Well, I didn't say that I thought this team was finishing 10-2 just as I didn't say I thought they were finishing 3-9. 

I said they have a chance to win every game left on the schedule. But I don't think for a minute that they will. They also have a chance to lose every game on their schedule, save Kansas. But I don't think they do that either. 

Unless something changes for the better defensively, I think they end up winning 5-7 games. If the light somehow comes on for the defense, then I could see them winning 7-9 games.

Hell, it wouldn't even surprise me if we beat OU. That's just the nature of the beast in this rivalry. But I'm also not putting money on it to happen. 
I actually hope we beat ou SUCKS

 
IMO, the Gilbert incident showed Charlie has never had the full support the AD who had replaced the AD who hired Charlie

In that matter, the school president had to inject himself into a failing and embarrassing drama that was being played out in real time over the internet over one weekend.  If Fenves had not taken this extraordinary measure, there is no telling where that hot mess would have ended up.

At the time, Charlie's AD was MIA and suddenly reappeared only at the insistence his boss

Any head coach without the full support of his AD is on shaky ground

In any event, I hope the new coach search does not go like the new baseball coach search went, where agents across the country used us to raise the entire national market for NCAA baseball coaching salaries

Getting used is getting old
That's not going to be surprising. In fact, it's going to be worse since Football is the main money driver. 

You think schools aren't going to pay out for their successful football coach? Not to mention many fans have wanted Charlie gone since the 1st game of last season. Here are the season predictions of our staff before the season:

7-5

7-5

8-4

8-4

7-5

8-4

8-4

So majority picked 8-4 including losses to OU and Oklahoma State. In fact, 6-6 wouldn't have shocked anybody. But since that big win over Notre Dame occurred, the perception changed and hasn't been readjusted to reflect the reality of that win. 

So everyone wants to fire Charlie and thinks they are going to get whoever they want, yet fail to see that Power 5 ADs have a ton of money as well and can pay coaches to stay in good situations they are in. 

Remember Les Miles and Michigan? Michigan was a dumpster fire but they were certain Les Miles would leave his potential National Championship team for Michigan because "We're Michigan". What happened? He stayed. Whether that was a right move, that's debatable. But let's look at the 3 best coaches in the game and how they got their jobs:

How did Michigan get Harbaugh? Because he was in a toxic situation with the 49ers front office and Michigan needed a coach. 

How did Alabama get Saban? Because Saban was coaching losers in Miami and Alabama needed a coach. 

How did Ohio State get Urban Meyer? He was unemployed, working for ESPN and Ohio State needed a coach. 

People get this idea that it was because of the job was why these elite programs got their head coach. Many times, it was the right time and opportunity for the coach. Yes Charlie's job is in jeopardy, and maybe Texas could get Tom Herman. However, if Texas strikes out, you could have some one who isn't that good perpetuating the drought of greatness. 

 
That's not going to be surprising. In fact, it's going to be worse since Football is the main money driver. 

You think schools aren't going to pay out for their successful football coach? Not to mention many fans have wanted Charlie gone since the 1st game of last season. Here are the season predictions of our staff before the season:

7-5

7-5

8-4

8-4

7-5

8-4

8-4

So majority picked 8-4 including losses to OU and Oklahoma State. In fact, 6-6 wouldn't have shocked anybody. But since that big win over Notre Dame occurred, the perception changed and hasn't been readjusted to reflect the reality of that win. 

So everyone wants to fire Charlie and thinks they are going to get whoever they want, yet fail to see that Power 5 ADs have a ton of money as well and can pay coaches to stay in good situations they are in. 

Remember Les Miles and Michigan? Michigan was a dumpster fire but they were certain Les Miles would leave his potential National Championship team for Michigan because "We're Michigan". What happened? He stayed. Whether that was a right move, that's debatable. But let's look at the 3 best coaches in the game and how they got their jobs:

How did Michigan get Harbaugh? Because he was in a toxic situation with the 49ers front office and Michigan needed a coach. 

How did Alabama get Saban? Because Saban was coaching losers in Miami and Alabama needed a coach. 

How did Ohio State get Urban Meyer? He was unemployed, working for ESPN and Ohio State needed a coach. 

People get this idea that it was because of the job was why these elite programs got their head coach. Many times, it was the right time and opportunity for the coach. Yes Charlie's job is in jeopardy, and maybe Texas could get Tom Herman. However, if Texas strikes out, you could have some one who isn't that good perpetuating the drought of greatness. 
If we miss  on Herman there are at least 25 other coaches who would do better than the shit show we got right now. 

 
you have some time.

.....one of the worst performing coaches in the modern era.

Inspired by @OwlsAndHorns ‘s great threads over the weekend (THREAD #1 / THREAD #2), I decided to take a deeper look at how Charlie stacks up to his peers. So, I researched every game, coached by every coach, from 1973 to present at the following Blue Blood & near Blue Blood programs: Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, and USC. In total, 99 different coaches coached at least 1 game, with 84 of them coaching at least 29 (the same number Charlie has coached at Texas).

While it’s easy to compare Charlie’s record vs the tenure of these coaches, it doesn’t give you an apples to apples comparison. So, I specifically looked at how Charlie’s first 29 games compared to the first 29 games of those 81 coaches. The results aren’t surprising, but they are depressing nonetheless. Out of those 81 coaches, Charlie’s winning percentage is tied for the 4th worst.

31.0% - John Blake, Oklahoma

31.0% - Curley Hallman, LSU

41.4% - Charley Pell, Florida

44.8% - Charlie Strong, Texas

44.8% - Rich Rodriguez, Michigan

44.8% - Doug Barfield, Auburn

44.8% - Johnny Majors, Tennessee

48.3% - Derek Dooley, Tennessee

48.3% - Mike Shula, Alabama

48.3% - Butch Jones, Tennessee

Those are the only coaches whose record in their first 29 games was below .500. So, it’s pretty obvious Charlie has had one of the worst starts of any coach at any elite program in 40+ years.

While it doesn’t paint a pretty picture, it also doesn’t paint the entire picture. So next, I looked at how coaches who had a mediocre start finished up. In my book, 7-5 is pretty mediocre. That’s a winning percentage of 58.3%. So, I pulled every coach that had a winning percentage of 58.3% or worse in his first 29 games, and looked at his record for every game AFTER those first 29. In total, 20 coaches basically averaged the equivalent of a 7-5 season or worse in their first 29 games. Of those 20 coaches, only 3 of the 20 coaches actually improved their winning percentage by at least 10 percentage points: Charley Pell at Florida, Johnny Majors at Tennessee, and John Cooper at Ohio State. But, Cooper was the ONLY one that averaged better than 66.7% (the equivalent of an 8-4 regular season) in those games. His winning percentage in all games after the first 29 was 74.4%, which is the equivalent of going 9-3. Said another way, given time, history shows it’s highly unlikely a coach recovers to become elite.

So, what of the coaches that actually did become elite from those 81? 25 of them combined to win 37 National Championships. The lowest winning percentage of an eventual NC winner in his first 29 games was a tie between Bobby Bowden & Lou Holts at 65.5%.

65.5% - Bobby Bowden, Florida State

65.5% - Lou Holtz, Notre Dame

69.0% - Pete Carroll, USC

69.0% - Mack Brown, Texas

69.0% - Howard Schnellenberger, Miami

69.9% - Danny Ford, Clemson

Those were the only coaches that started under .700. And, 13 of the 24 actually started .750+. That tells you that coaches that are going to be elite flash early. They may have a rocky first year, but they’re cranking by year two. In fact, numerous coaches won their first NC early in their tenure.

Won NC in 1st year:

* Larry Coker

* Dennis Erickson

Won NC in 2nd year:

* Bob Stoops

* Barry Switzer

* Gene Chizik

* Urban Meyer (Florida)

* Jim Tressel

Won NC in 3rd year:

* Nick Saban (Alabama)

* Gene Stallings

* Lou Holtz

* Dan Devine

* Urban Meyer (tOSU)

* Barry Switzer

* Pete Carroll

* Lloyd Carr

* Les Miles

* Dennis Erickson

* John Robinson

Won NC in 4th year:

* Pete Carroll

* Urban Meyer (Florida)

* Jimbo Fisher

* Jimmy Johnson

* Danny Ford

* Nick Saban (LSU)

Here’s where the data is staggeringly condemning of Charlie……..of the 37 NCs won, 24 were won in their first 4 years on the job! In fact, of those 25 NC winning coaches, only Mack Brown, Phil Fulmer, Steve Spurrier, Tom Osborne, Bobby Bowden, and Howard Schnellenberger didn’t win their first NC within their first 4 years. Just think about that for a minute. Of the 25 coaches at those 17 programs that won NCs, 19 of them won their first NC within 4 years on the sidelines. And in the case of Bowden & Schnellenberger, they were building programs that no one even knew existed before they took the helm. We can cross fingers & toes, shake Magic 8 Balls, and say all the prayers we want……….there has never been a coach in the modern era at any quality program that has started as poorly (or even as close to as poorly as Charlie), and gone on to greatness. John Cooper is the only one that came close.

So then, if history shows us Charlie isn’t going to become an elite coach, what does history suggest about how to proceed. This is where it’s interesting. If you’d asked me whether it was better to fire a coach mid-season or at the end of a season, I’d have said “end of a seasonâ€, b/c I would think an interim coach would fare worse. But, the data says otherwise. Check this out. These are the coaches from those 17 programs that were fired mid-season, and how their replacements fared.

1984 Florida – Galen Hall (8-0) took over for Charley Pell (1-1-1).

1992 Tennessee – Phil Fulmer (4-0) took over for Johnny Majors (5-3). Won the Hall of Fame Bowl.

1998 Auburn – Bill Oliver (2-3) took over for Terry Bowden (1-5).

2008 Clemson – Dabo Swiney (4-3) took over for Terry Bowden (3-3). Lost the Gator Bowl.

2013 USC – Ed Orgeron (6-2) took over for Lane Kiffin (3-2). Quit before the bowl game b/c he was passed over for the HC job.

2015 Miami – Larry Scott (4-2) took over for Al Golden (4-3). Lost the Sun Bowl.

2015 USC – Clay Helton (5-4) took over for Steve Sarkisian (3-2). Lost the Holiday Bowl.

In every single instance, the interim coach performed as well or better than the fired coach. And what’s really interesting is 4 of those 7 coaches performed well enough to get offered the permanent job, with 3 of them going on to become pretty darn good coaches (Dabo, Hall & Fulmer). It seems assigning an interim coach mid-season is a great way to get an on-field interview with an up & coming assistant, while trying new ideas that may improve the season beyond what the lame duck coach would have been able to do.

On a side note, the only coaches in the group to have at least 3 Top 5 finishes and not win a NC are Fred Akers & Mark Richt. I found that interesting. Every other coach that hit that mark won a NC. Also, the only coaches who coached at least 5 seasons, won over 75% of their games, and didn’t win a NC are Frank Solich (Nebraska) & Earle Bruce (tOSU). 23 coaches had a +.750 winning percentage. 21 of them won NCs. Only 6 NC winning coaches started with a winning percentage under 70% in their first 29 games, and all of them were over 65%. So, there is a 0.01% chance Charlie becomes the first coach to lose half of his games the first 3 years, then goes on to win a NC.

 
I found that on another site
While Colorado is not considered a "blue-blood", here is an interesting article about how they turned things around in the mid-80's under McCartney and appear to being doing so again this year under Mike MacIntyre. If you think things are bad here, things were way worse at Colorado. BTW, MacIntyre was one of the coaches that Scipio Tex wrote about several years as being one of up and comers that Texas should consider. 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/patience-paying-off-for-colorado/ar-BBwXVde

 
I'm not convinced he's not. I mean, why are we not even giving Strong 4 years to win the conference but gave Mack, what, 8?  And Mack inherited Ricky Williams. Idk, I'm willing to let the season play out and reevaluate then. We go 6-6 and continue to give up 50 pts/game and endure a couple of blowout losses, then perhaps you're right...
I think those of us in the "Strong has to go" camp are extrapolating the results we've seen thus far (over the last 2+ seasons) and don't believe it's an "if" we go 6-6 and continue to give up 50+/game but a  "when" we do.

In the "what if we get to 8 wins" scenario I think the style is really going to matter. If there's significant improvement in the defense and effort then maybe he gets some people back on his bandwagon. But that's a hypothetical predicated on blind faith - there's been no evidence to date that this thing is moving in the right direction based on Strong's leadership. Everything he's done so far, outside of recruiting, has been reactionary - that's not a way to build a successful program.

 
I think the potential fallout of a perceived early dismissal has the administration quaking in fear of facing the wrath of BLM.
I hope like hell you are wrong about that. If it's true then we need totally new administration.

 
I think the potential fallout of a perceived early dismissal has the administration quaking in fear of facing the wrath of BLM.
BLM? Are you talking about Black Lives Matter? What would that have anything to do with college football?

 
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