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Big 12 Expansion Project

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gmcc said:
Java is ready for some football. Just how much coffee had she had yesterday morning? Java is fired up. I like the spirit.[

I am definitely ready for some football! Looking forward to this season, in fact.

The playoff scenario I described is one that I decided would be for the best 3 or 4 years ago. It's something of a default position, since it seems to me that 8 is too few and 32 is far too many.

Of course, we all know that the NCAA is pretty useless, so something must be done.
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just checking to make sure i've got the game plan.

so we get the networks to renegotiate the tv deals and then expand to 16, right?

 
The way I read it, the media behemoths realize the ultimate way they are going to make more money is to expand the playoff.

The expansion from 4 to 8 teams in the playoff is thought to occur in the next 4-5 years.

It is assumed that the BIG 12 GOR deal made the conference stable through 2025.

Once the playoff is expanded to 8 the BIG 12 will receive an automatic bid each year.

Therefore, by staying at 10 members the BIG 12 will maximize their revenue by receiving a non-diluted share of the playoff pie.

 
ah-blong said:
just checking to make sure i've got the game plan.

so we get the networks to renegotiate the tv deals and then expand to 16, right?
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To your question, it appears the tv networks are none too excited about paying the BIG 12 a big boy share for Houston or Boise or Colorado State, etc.

So, I think we might be getting better terms on the existing contract for the existing members and waiving the clause that forces the media to extend the same terms to new members. Growing the pie by threatening to use our rights of the existing contract. In essence, the media would be paying, after the fact, to remove that clause from the contract. That is what you call weaponizing the terms of a contract.

 
Embrey said:
To your question, it appears the tv networks are none too excited about paying the BIG 12 a big boy share for Houston or Boise or Colorado State, etc.

So, I think we might be getting better terms on the existing contract for the existing members and waiving the clause that forces the media to extend the same terms to new members. Growing the pie by threatening to use our rights of the existing contract. In essence, the media would be paying, after the fact, to remove that clause from the contract. That is what you call weaponizing the terms of a contract.
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Bowlsby has said and many believe that our T1 rights are undervalued.

IMO, the Big12 should expand by at least two regardless of the TV networks' dissent. Pick two from BYU, UH, & UC and be done with it. Go to an 8-game league schedule as well. The consultants' analysis say this will help get us a slot in the CFB Playoff. And we'll finally be "numerically correct".

 
J.B. TexasEx said:
Bowlsby has said and many believe that our T1 rights are undervalued.

IMO, the Big12 should expand by at least two regardless of the TV networks' dissent. Pick two from BYU, UH, & UC and be done with it. Go to an 8-game league schedule as well. The consultants' analysis say this will help get us a slot in the CFB Playoff. And we'll finally be "numerically correct".
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Cincinnati and Houston solves the WV rival problem but leaves the best football program (BYU) behind.

Cincinnati and BYU solves the WV rival problem but creates the BYU rival problem.

BYU and Houston creates the WV and BYU have no regional rival problem.

But really, how big a deal is it that a team doesn't have a regional rival? I don't have the answer I am just wondering.

IMO, BYU, like Notre Dame, is best equipped to not have a regional rival in conference. Their following is going to watch every game on tv regardless and they are everywhere so they probably travel well. I truly believe BYU will get very good very fast if they are legitimized by a P5 conference. So if we are going to add 2, I say we add BYU. Although I am pro-UH addition to the BIG 12, if we are going to add 2 It probably makes the most sense to add Cincinnati as well.

That might explain why there is add 4 noise. Since I think BYU will be fine without a regional rival, I think teams 13 & 14 would be chosen from UH/Memphis/CSU.

Would UT be willing to scrap the LHN if 2 of Arkansas/Missouri/ATM would join on that condition?

 
Embrey said:
Cincinnati and Houston solves the WV rival problem but leaves the best football program (BYU) behind.

Cincinnati and BYU solves the WV rival problem but creates the BYU rival problem.

BYU and Houston creates the WV and BYU have no regional rival problem.

But really, how big a deal is it that a team doesn't have a regional rival? I don't have the answer I am just wondering.

IMO, BYU, like Notre Dame, is best equipped to not have a regional rival in conference. Their following is going to watch every game on tv regardless and they are everywhere so they probably travel well. I truly believe BYU will get very good very fast if they are legitimized by a P5 conference. So if we are going to add 2, I say we add BYU. Although I am pro-UH addition to the BIG 12, if we are going to add 2 It probably makes the most sense to add Cincinnati as well.

That might explain why there is add 4 noise. Since I think BYU will be fine without a regional rival, I think teams 13 & 14 would be chosen from UH/Memphis/CSU.

Would UT be willing to scrap the LHN if 2 of Arkansas/Missouri/ATM would join on that condition?
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Latest word is FOX is pushing for us to add eastern inventory, so CSU is probably out. 

Can't say I disagree with your logic here. BYU doesn't "need" a regional rival. I just liked CSU for MTZ balance even if they're not worthy. I guess we might see Memphis added after all. Hello, FedEx sponsorship! 

http://www.bcsnn.com/big-xii/9221-fox-continues-support-for-big-12-expansion-with-g5-teams.html

In answer to your question, "No, UT isn't gonna scrap LHN before our contract expires in 2031". aggy isn't coming back and I doubt we can lure Arky or Mizzery, either.

 
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That was a great article. So, ESPN doesn't like us adding AAC teams because they have a deal with the conference and FOX has the Tier 1 broadcast rights to the BIG 12. The question is, does the AAC have a GOR agreement? If not, the BIG 12 poaching the AAC's team is a zero-sum win for FOX and a zero-sum loss for ESPN. Same with BYU.

UCONN is right in ESPN's backyard.

During this process we need to continually ask does the rumor benefit the BIG 12 of FOX. Disinformation abounds.

 
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Embrey said:
That was a great article. So, ESPN doesn't like us adding AAC teams because they have a deal with the conference and FOX has the Tier 1 broadcast rights to the BIG 12. The question is, does the AAC have a GOR agreement? If not, the BIG 12 poaching the AAC's team is a zero-sum win for FOX and a zero-sum loss for ESPN. Same with BYU.

UCONN is right in ESPN's backyard.

During this process we need to continually ask does the rumor benefit the BIG 12 of FOX. Disinformation abounds.
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Yes, I've read that AAC members will face a $10M buy-out and give 27 months notice prior to making a move.

That's why I advocated adding BYU and CSU in 2017, UH and Cincinnati in 2018.

 
I know I am being technical but if the members of the AAC do not honor the 27 month notice portion of the contract, what would be the penalty or, in other words, do you believe the 27 month clause is enforceable in the sense that Houston or Memphis or whoever can be made to play in the AAC until the 27 month period has expired?

For example, TCU agreed to join the Big East then they received the invite to the BIG 12. I remember TCU paying $5 million even though they had never played a game in any sport in the BE. Best deal we ever made.

 
Embrey said:
I know I am being technical but if the members of the AAC do not honor the 27 month notice portion of the contract, what would be the penalty or, in other words, do you believe the 27 month clause is enforceable in the sense that Houston or Memphis or whoever can be made to play in the AAC until the 27 month period has expired?

For example, TCU agreed to join the Big East then they received the invite to the BIG 12. I remember TCU paying $5 million even though they had never played a game in any sport in the BE. Best deal we ever made.
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I'm sure the AAC will accept more money from departing teams.

I have no idea if or how the 27-month notice is enforceable. Teams will be forfeiting their AAC pay-outs, minimum ($6-8MM?). Yeah, I know, that's a big sacrifice.

 
Take it for what it is worth but my source says the Governor is supporting both UH and SMU joining the Big 12 Conference.  Supposedly UT has sent a letter to the Big 12 Conference supporting such a move as well.

 
SMU will be rejected by the rest of the conference. Big 12 is already Texas-heavy and getting Houston would and has required a Texas president going out on a limb.

SMU can't even deliver the Dallas market. Their games go largely unnoticed up here. I'd even say North Texas probably gets as much or more publicity.

Put it this way. I've driven to a client's house on Mockingbird Lane about a half mile from Ford Stadium while a game was in progress. There was absolutely no traffic as my truck passed only yards from the entrance. I'd seen high school games with bigger crowds. That just doesn't look Big 12 to me.

 
Embrey said:
http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-expansion-tv-contract-espn-fox-1957715979.html

Networks are threatening to go to court over the BIG 12 adding 'inferior' teams.

They want us to realize that they saved us from falling apart.

I forgot to consider they did it just to be nice.
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That's weak sauce.

The only time we've expanded we added TCU, who they all called inferior. They don't say that anymore.

Houston is coming off what? 13-1?

Cincy has been a player for the past two decades. BYU beats other top teams regularly.

 
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