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Big 12 Expansion - Is BYU Coming?

J.B. TexasEx

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Interesting post from @MHVer3 on BlueGoldNews.com about the Big12's discussions with BYU about membership.  It appears that they're willing to make concessions to be in our league.  

Arizona and Arizona St may be in play, too?  I find that part hard to believe, but it'd be great if true.

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DISCLAIMER: the following post contains rumor and speculation

The Big12 is going to be at an extreme disadvantage in regards to playoff selection if it remains in it's current format. 9 conference games in round robin sounds like the best way to prove who is the best in the conference, right? Maybe in the 1980's but that was before the BCS era taught conferences how to count the cards, play the system. With the elimination of computers and the reintroduction of human bias and error, the rules to playing the system are evolving again right before our eyes and the Big12 is at a crossroads here. 

Choosing to stay at 10 teams with round-robin scheduling will work out just fine in the years that one team manages to go undefeated. With schedule strength an undefeated Big12 team is all but a lock for a playoff spot. How many times has the round-robin B12 produced an undefeated team? And what about the years our champ has 1 loss or, God forbid 2? Even now the other conferences are posturing away, creating safe schedules, trumpeting the strength of their Championship Games, and even publicly downgrading BYU-a potential scheduling partner with the Big12 a la Notre Dame and the ACC. Oklahoma's Athletic Director has seen the writing on the wall-the Big12 must expand or it will become extinct.

Expansion will address 3 things: more inventory created, more scheduling freedom(if needed), and increased market presence. If we expand at all it will be just 1 or 2 schools to start. There is preliminary interest from 2 schools in AZ but other than that no other schools from a Power5 conference are on our radar. Adding just one schools would likely see the B12 stay at round-robin(10 games) with the possibility of a CCG. 

The ACC has been pushing hard for deregulation in regards to how a conference chooses it's champion. Their goal is two-fold: create manageable schedules for their top 1/4 and give ND a vehicle to get to their CCG. With arguably the weakest conference from the middle down, the ACC has need to keep their strength-of-schedule high so they along with the SEC announced their initiative to mandate each team play an out-of-conference match-up vs a "BCS" quality opponent: i.e. the Power5. This is great in theory as it will surely show is how the ACC looks vs the other P5....except that's not how it's going to work out. Just like the B10 is trying to do, the ACC want to keep as many Match-ups in house as possible. The perceived strength of the ACC will be higher if they mostly play each other with favorable schedules for the traditional "powers". Allowing conferences to play OOC games vs each other benefits the larger conferences and hurts the smaller ones that beat each other up with round-robin schedules by thinning out possible OOC match-ups. The B12, which was in the middle of working out a scheduling agreement with BYU, took yet another slap in the face when both the ACC and SEC announced that BYU was unworthy of being a "BCS level opponent". And that's when the dam at BYU broke.

 
For 3 years now the Big12 and BYU have been in constant communication. BYU was the first choice for replacement schools that the B12 wanted. Fox was against the idea originally because BYU is not an easy partner to deal with historically and anecdotally speaking. Espn was against it because they needed to find WVU a home as promised(ACC couldn't get WVU voted in with 4 votes in 3 weeks) and were working on a deal with BYU at the time that would land them most of BYU's top content at a great discount vs what they were going to be paying ND (apples and apples).

So B12 added TCU and WVU, B10 added MD and RU, ACC added UL and ND, and here we are. But the lines of communication between BYU and the B12 remained open. The Big12 recently commissioned a study to gauge their tv value in one decade. The study came back showing that if BYU and at least one other school with either a large market presence or a large DMA were added then the TV value would be 35-45 million per school. But that's not all. The study goes on to report if the B12 could double it's market size they could demand as much as $50 million per school up to 16 schools. BYU was made aware of this study 3 days before the ACC and SEC said they "didn't count".

From what I've gathered, BYU has done an about face on many issues. They are going to show us their budgets. They are willing to use BYUtv to help promote the Big12 and the Longhorn Network to keep fox and Texas happy. They are willing to give better media access to media partners then they did during MWC days. They will slightly budge on Sunday play-only if it is a football bowl or playoff game. And that's just the beginning. In fact, the only thing they will not budge on it seems, is their stance on advertising certain products like alcohol on BYUtv. 
 

The B12 membership committee meets tonight with representatives from BYU, fox, and AT&T Stadium. Things should get interesting soon.






 
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I am all for it, bring all three of them on, but I too, am wondering what is in it for the AZ schools.

 
I am all for it, bring all three of them on, but I too, am wondering what is in it for the AZ schools.
Let's say, hypothetically, we add all three out West; BYU, AZ, & ASU.

We can't stop at 13 and we've learned that 14 is an unruly number for scheduling.  May as well add 3 back East to form Big16.  Who among the available schools are most desirable?  UCF, USF, Cincy, ECU, Memphis, or UH?  Do we just say, "screw it" and let FOX decide based on DMA's and TV ratings?

If it were up to me, I'd add UCF, Cincy, and UH.  Biggest media markets.  Yeah, I know "Cougar High" isn't that sexy but it'd be fun to tweak the aggies' noses in H-Town.  UH is trying to do the right things with their investments in facilities.  Let's show a fellow TX school some love!

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I'm all for it.  Seems to me that we are going to have four major conferences eventually anyway - might as well get ahead of the game.  Cincy gives West Virginia a neighbor closer to home and one of the Florida schools makes sense because Florida is going to do nothing but grow in the future, that means more TV's, and Florida is a very good recruiting market.  Houston does not bother me because of perceptions from the past.  Houston is a big TV market for the conference, and I think that adding the Cougars would tweak the Aggies noses in more than one way.

 
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No thanks to BYU. I've never been sold on them. 

I like the idea of USF and UCF though. 

 
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We have 2 real choices. . . .Add BYU and go to 11 .. . if you can find a decent team (which I doubt) then go to 12, divisions and a playoff. insert:. . .in this scenario   U Cincy is a decent idea  or UCF but UCF's geography is a bit shakey for the BigXII. . . . .

we were brain dead stupid not taking Louisville instead of TCU. . .wTF were they thinking????

2nd choice is taking OU/OSU and maybe TT and heading to either the Pac 16 or ACC .. ..

Personally I think the ACC is a much better option (even though I have stronger ties to the West Coast) .. . while I like the idea of traveling west .. .their fan support and TV markets suck overall .. . . ACC is much more "football country. . . with better TV markets. . . .

With the ACC you have a Pod system which was what we would have gone to if we jumped to the Pac 12 years ago. . . 

West Pod:

TEXAS

TT

OU

OSU

Louisville

North Pod

Boston College

Syracuse

Pitt

WVU

Central Pod

Clemson

UNC

UNCst

UVa

Va Tech

Southern Pod

UNC

UNCst

FSU

Miami

GT

19 schools, 18 if we ditch TT. . . .

ND is an obvious choice to slide into the northern Pod. . . .to make an even 20

You play the 4 teams in your pod each year. . .2 teams rotating home and home from your division pod and 1 team rotating home and home from the other division pods. . .+ 4 OOC games per year.. . . . 

Best record from each division plays for the conference title. . . rotate that game between Dallas/Houston/Atlanta and DC. . . .

PS, just say no to Cougar High. . . while a "good" TV market. ..their ratings and attendance suck. . . .frankly wouldn't be shocked to see UTSA pass them shortly (they already out draw UH attendance wise. . .not a good sign for UH). . . . .USF or UCF?   3-4 years ago I'd have said no way but with my ACC merge idea. . .just might work. . . ..

Upon further review. . . . .Tampa Bay is a crappy sports town and worse, an NFL town .. . . UCF is also averaging close to 10,000 more in attendance .. . UCF gets my vote. . .  .. .if ND isn't coming. . .UCinncy isn't a horrid option .. . but at just over 31,000 in attendance. . . .ugh. . . .UTSA does better and no football competition in town .. . 

 
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Unfortunately, BYU is the "best available" in terms of TV ratings and fan/alumni support.

We can stock up on Sunny D and Kool-Aid for our tailgates when the Mormons come to ATX!   :P

 
Shag poster "Hurtlocker" writes the best rationale for why the Big12 won't expand again anytime soon.  It's a long post, but a good read!

Well, here's the deal. Programming inventory isn't worth more just because you have it. If what they wanted was quantity, then sign the MWC for pennies on the dollar. If what you want is quality match ups, then that gets a lot harder to put together. Generally speaking, inventory is paid out in teirs:

Tier One: Over the air/national games, generally big ticket match ups or important ones late in the season. These are the quality games and generally sell for around $3-6M a pop in the P5
Tier Two: National cable games, e.g. ESPN/FS1. These tend to be the the good, but not elite, match ups and pay out around $2M-$4M a pop for the P5
Tier Three: Lastly, it is everything else. Prior to the B1G forming BTN, this was a no mans land of either not being on TV, getting a PPV run, or being on a small regional channel like FSN, ESPN Regional, etc. The advent of BTN put a value on these for the first time, so it is like free money, but it isn't worth a lot. These games generally go for about $1-2M a pop, though concessions are sometimes made to increase viewership. In short, these are the low end quality games where you have to sell 3-5 of them to get the value of one T1 game.

In a perfect world you want as much of your inventory on T1/2 as possible, then generate as much as you can off the dregs of T3.

The B1G expanded with Nebraska and Penn State and it was a home run. It gave them 12 teams and 4 elites for a whopping 33% of their conference being elite. The B12 at the time had 25%, which was still damn good. The SEC, before expansion, was sitting on about 30% too. That gave the networks a lot of gigantic match ups on the T1 game and a lot of solid match ups when Oklahoma played KSU or OSU played Iowa or Bama played SC. In short, good programming all around.
The B1G then made a conscious effort to F@#K with that perfect set up to bolster BTN, in short it is shifting money. Their T1 won't be worth more, because those elite teams will play less often, but their T2/3 inventory will be worth more and will get more play in the highly populated northeast corridor. They are trying to get paid for their dregs by putting OSU/Michigan/Penn State in DC/NYC early and often.

The SEC pulled a similar move, but with better properties. Neither A&M and Missouri are elite, but they are great T2/3 filler. After Nebraska, A&M is still the best realignment move from a TV stand point. They didn't increase their big game match ups though, which is why CBS is only paying enough to cover the two new teams. Unless Florida, Georgia, Bama or LSU is playing, CBS doesn't really care, that's how they do their math, just like ABC/FOX don't care unless you're Texas/Oklahoma. So, like the B1G, they are shifting value from T1 to T3, but they had to. The SEC, with their agreement to have everything on ESPN, was getting to the point where some games were not going to be aired because there are only so many time slots in a day. Now, with the added inventory, they can shift 45 games to a new network, letting their choice T2 games fall onto ESPN's lay out easily.

The Pac did horrible in realignment. They aimed for Texas and Oklahoma and got Colorado and Utah. That diluted their T1/2 match ups and they didn't really have an elite to good ratio like the other conferences to begin with. All they really gained was low end inventory, which helps you put games on the PacNetworks, but doesn't really create a compelling reason for anyone outside Pac alums to watch the Pac Networks. 

The ACC is its own animal, but like the Pac, expanded to survive, not for money. Too many small private schools to really compare them to the SEC or B1G. If FSU keeps winning they are good, if, like the prior decade, that slides, the ACC goes back to being a basketball conference who gets to play ND.

The B12 is sitting in a precarious position in terms of expansion. It is solid with a 20% elite ratio, which is just under the SEC/B1G ratios of around 25%, but ahead of both the ACC and Pac. That makes them more stable than most like to admit and also gives them value on par with the big two. If you consider the B1G and SEC even with value, the B12 is just a rung lower on the ladder, not down on the ground. However, it cannot just expand just to expand for several reasons:

1 - The B12 keeps its value so high because it has the highest percent of games on T1/2 of any of the conferences. A whopping 90% of their games are in both and they are paid a bit more for them due to FS1 having zero audience (If ESPN brings the audience for you, you get less money...see the ACC contract. If you serve as fodder to launch a network, you get paid more for your inventory. See the Pac/B12 deals or how ESPN has outbid everyone for Bowl games, Playoffs, etc.) Adding inventory lowers that percent or shifts more of it to less valued match ups.

2 - The B12 cannot afford to lower its elite ratio any more. Dropping from 25% to 20% was easily absorbed without a valuation issue (Losing Nebraska/Colorado was a 9% drop, A&M/Missouri didn't move the meter because, at ten, they leverage Texas/Oklahoma with every other property well. On a side note, the east coast also loves WVU football. When Smith was there that first year you couldn't turn a corner without someone talking about how they would be taking on Texas, that helps expand the B12's reach more than most surmise. If they went to 12 teams with something like Louisville/Cinci (which everyone clamored for for a while) they would have dropped to a 16.6% elite ratio...going to 16 means it is a 12.5% ratio. The B12's T1/2 value would plummet like a rock.

3 - The way the B12 played the post season construction was masterful. No conference made out with a better deal than the B12. Instead of paying out by team, they pay out by conference, and they are lined up with the SEC for the best non-playoff bowl out there with the Sugar. The B12/B1G/Pac/SEC each make $90M on average over the next 12 years on the playoffs and Rose/Sugar (it will pay out around $72M next year, and a whopping $114M in 2025, thanks inflation!) That means that while the Pac makes $7.5M per team in the post season, the B12 makes $9M per team. The B1G/SEC make $6.5M for that same inventory, but make some of it up with their deal with the Orange. The ACC is had to even fathom since they only make $5.7M at most, and lost some of their other bowl match ups to ND. So, if the B12 adds two teams, each school will lose $1.5M per year, which means the schools they add have to bring even more value than they had to prior to the playoffs.

This got long and boring, but I'm sitting in an airport avoiding work. The short version of this is there is no way the B12 can afford to expand with ANY school who isn't a top tier team. And by top tier we're talking FSU/LSU type schools. Anyone else will lose money because you dilute the total inventory of who plays who. Also, if you go to 12 without an elite you have no choice but to shut down the RRS and put Oklahoma and Texas in their own divisions. You cannot have two elites in one division and none in the other or you crush the value of the CCG you'd have to add to help pay for expansion. 

How MacGuiver (MHVer3) got to $50M per team is beyond me. The B12 is paid $200M for their T1/2 now, which increases yearly. But adding 6 teams in conferences that barely pay out $5M per school is all of a sudden going to quadruple the B12's revenue to $800M?! That's just insane. You could add LSU, FSU, A&M, Bama, Georgia and Florida and not get to $800M, but you're going to do it with Memphis and UCF? The guy is high. 

At the end of the day, inventory is only worth what it is worth. T1 will always be more valuable than T2, which is more valuable than T3, e.g. conference networks. You can play the quality over quantity card and you can make up for lost quality by selling more volume on the low end, but that doesn't make T3 games more valuable than T1 games. It just doesn't work that way.
 
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Not a fan of BYU joining but the BIG 12 needs to do something.  I wouldn't mind Houston and UCF.  I know UH isn't a popular choice for most. 

 
The Big 12 is not expanding until three things happen.

1.  The Maryland/ACC lawsuit is settled - one way or another

2.  The Northwestern union issue is settled - one way or anther.

3.  Finally, and the most important, it has to be proven that $$$ will see a substantial increase for the conference - and that is determined by the networks agreeing to re-negotiate the original contract.  And, I can assure you, the networks are loathe to do this.

Nope - the Big 12 is not expanding anytime soon - book it.

While I am on this subject, we can put to bed any thoughts of UT bolting to another conference as well - and for the same rea$on$.

The Big 12 is UT's little fiefdom and it provides a river of money flowing into the UT coffers.  It also assures UT of an excellent platform for getting into the 4 team playoffs as well.

Outside of UT fans yearning for better teams to play (which the UT administration could care less about) what is he incentive for UT to bolt?  I can't think of any.

 
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The Big 12 is not expanding until three things happen.

1.  The Maryland/ACC lawsuit is settled - one way or another

2.  The Northwestern union issue is settled - one way or anther.

3.  Finally, and the most important, it has to be proven that $$$ will see a substantial increase for the conference - and that is determined by the networks agreeing to re-negotiate the original contrtact.  And, I can assure you, the networks are loathe to do this.

Nope - the Big 12 is not expanding anytime soon - book it.

While I am on this subject, we can put to bed any thoughts of UT bolting to another conference as well - and for the same rea$on$.

The Big 12 is UT's little fiefdom and it provides a river of money flowing into the UT coffers.  It also assures UT of an excellent platform for getting into the 4 team playoffs as well.

Outside of UT fans yearning for better teams to play (which the UT administration could care less about) what is he incentive for UT to bolt?  I can't think of any.
I would add resolution of the Aereo litigation to your list of things that will influence any possible college sports realignment. If the Aereo technology is found to be an antenna and not a rebroadcast technology, the economics of the distribution of television content are going to change in ways we can't guess at the moment.

All the ESPN contracts are predicated on bundling of content and charging all subscribers in in a given footprint a set price. If Aereo (or the McCain legislation) force an end to bundling, conference networks are going to die. Paying $40/mo for ESPN is one thing. Paying another $5 for redneck bass fishing or the Mississippi State/Kentucky collegiate spelling bee isn't going to happen. 

Once the economics of delivering content to subscribers changes, various schools will seek ways to maximize the value of the sports content they provide. Schools with smaller fanbases and thereby less of an ability to create value in an a la carte world are going to be screwed. Schools with larger followings are going to have to end playing creampuff games against FCS schools because subscribers paying good money are going to want good matchups. If subscribers can vote with their wallets and cancel a channel showing a lot of T3 games, less T3 games will be scheduled. 

At the end of the day, I would keep the B12 where it is unless something compelling presents itself. Trying to force expansion doesn't make sense. Realignment will happen, just not when we expect it. Unbundling of cable channels is what I think will set college sports in a new direction. 

 
Come to think of it,you are right, Randolf Duke.  The Aero suit will have a large impact on the landscape of not only cable and satellite bundling, but, in turn college sports networks, since they are based on the cable bundling model.  Just out of general meanness on my part, I would love to see both of those blown up.  It is going to be interesting to see what happens, and it looks like things are going to come to a head sooner rather than later.

 
No to Houston. ... and as far as leaving the Big 12 well we can't due to guarantee of rights...

 
Texas should have left the BIG 12 when it had its chance, but greed got in the way for the University to have its network launched which has been more of a curse than anything.

 
I would add resolution of the Aereo litigation to your list of things that will influence any possible college sports realignment. If the Aereo technology is found to be an antenna and not a rebroadcast technology, the economics of the distribution of television content are going to change in ways we can't guess at the moment.

All the ESPN contracts are predicated on bundling of content and charging all subscribers in in a given footprint a set price. If Aereo (or the McCain legislation) force an end to bundling, conference networks are going to die. Paying $40/mo for ESPN is one thing. Paying another $5 for redneck bass fishing or the Mississippi State/Kentucky collegiate spelling bee isn't going to happen. 

Once the economics of delivering content to subscribers changes, various schools will seek ways to maximize the value of the sports content they provide. Schools with smaller fanbases and thereby less of an ability to create value in an a la carte world are going to be screwed. Schools with larger followings are going to have to end playing creampuff games against FCS schools because subscribers paying good money are going to want good matchups. If subscribers can vote with their wallets and cancel a channel showing a lot of T3 games, less T3 games will be scheduled. 

At the end of the day, I would keep the B12 where it is unless something compelling presents itself. Trying to force expansion doesn't make sense. Realignment will happen, just not when we expect it. Unbundling of cable channels is what I think will set college sports in a new direction. 
Ah yes, the Aereo litigation.  I really don't know how this will shake down - isn't SCOTUS reviewing it right now?   I don't think it will fly myself - it's a whole lot different than the Sony Betamax kerfuffle, IMO.

But you make a good point, never the less.  If SCOTUS rules in favor of Aereo then TV as we know it will change monumentally.  However, there are some big boys with some serious money that will fight that ruling to the last drop of blood.

Back to the realignment/expansion subject.  I don't want to make everyone depressed thinking they can't live long enough to see this happen.  I personally believe it's coming, but I just think it's a couple or three years away.  Right now there are just no compelling reason$ to realign and/or expand.

 
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