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Editorial: More damage to Baylor's reputation as regents stay silent
http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20160721-editorial-more-damage-to-baylor-s-reputation-as-regents-stay-silent.ece
http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/editorials/20160721-editorial-more-damage-to-baylor-s-reputation-as-regents-stay-silent.ece
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I've entertained the thought that renewed expansion talks are due to the Baylor fiasco. Expansion takes time, and if Baylor can be kicked out of the conference for covering up yet another scandal and for lack of cooperation with the conference, that search needs to start.
I'm not for a GOR extension. That would be sheer stupidity.
I'm not for a GOR extension. That would be sheer stupidity.
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Why would extending the GOR be stupid for ISU? KSU? TCU? Wva? UH? Baylor? OSU? TTU? KU? BYU? Cincinnati? Etc
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The bottom line is that Baylor, the institution, is rotten to the core. From top to bottom and it can't be corrected.
They are done as a respected institution.
Burn it to the ground.
They are done as a respected institution.
Burn it to the ground.
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I am not certain which part I am close on (audio/video or removal from conference) but I certainly would like to hear which part you think is plausible/true.
I heard about the audio/video from an on-air personality with zero axe to grind in the matter. He stated that he had heard rumors regarding Baylor audio/video while on the air. I give that a bit more credence than a normal rumor because I assume they open themselves up to personal liability. I expect him to protect his own interest.
Removal of Baylor from the conference was complete speculation on my part. I thought of the worst possible outcome for Baylor regarding the rumors, dialed it back about 25% and postulated what might happen.
It would only be idiocy for Texas and OU, although I fully expect us to go to superconferences in the not too distant future. If that happens, I would assume that the GOR is null and void, or, it should be.
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There is less than a 10% chance that the 8 other members of the BIG 12 are going to allow that contract to be torn up. When speaking of GOR we are talking about will Texas & OU sign an extended GOR past the current agreement.
I think what will happen as 2025 approaches is that Texas is going to place a value on the rights/year. When a super conference or whatever comes next offers to make up the difference in revenues or allows UT greater revenues by whatever other means, Texas would leave.
Here is the scenario I cannot get out of my head for all Texas fans: What happens if you get in a conference with Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, USC, UCLA and OU and UT gets their ass handed to them every year?
What is the point of being elite if you suck? In fact, nobody will call you elite. They will simply say you suck.
Java, what do you say to an expanded national playoff?
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You called it the worst case scenario - I call it the best. This year is going to be interesting - VERY interesting.
I've always thought the playoff should be 16 teams. That allows some teams in that may or may not belong, but it also allows for teams that may have a rough start, but put it together and win toward the end of the season. That only means two extra weeks, but it would be good football, not meaningless bowls.
I also believe that with super conferences, the number of scholarships should be increased. For example, to 30 per year, and a 100 or 110 man maximum. That allows for an expanded season, fatigue, and in my opinion, would decrease the likelihood of injury.
Superconferences should be governed by someone other than the NCAA, a governing body with teeth, subpoena power. If a school is caught violating recruiting rules, the powers that be can determine the nature and number of infractions, the ultimate penalty would be suspension from the superconference for a period of time. I actually think that would cut out a lot of the crap that currently goes on. They could put a school on probation first, if they chose, and next violation, it's suspension. Hit them where it hurts - in the pocket.
I think the NCAA is terrified the big schools will break away, and they are lax on enforcement for that very reason. No NCAA, a governing body with subpoena power, funded by the playoffs. That's a big pie to split up. What do we pay the NCAA for?
Do I think Texas would be OK in a super conference? I think there will be cycles. There are always cycles in college football, but for the most part, yes. We have a lot going for us, but Mack stayed too long, and we have been paying the price.
Hook 'em!
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The NCAA is a dinosaur. It exists only as long as colleges allow it to exist. The fact that we have neither seen them or heard them regarding all the women beatings and rape convictions, investigations and allegations just indicates it is done.
But we must do every thing we can to keep the government out of college sports.
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Baylor rape victims say the university told women who attempted to report their assaults that their parents would be informed of their alcohol or drug use under the student conduct code and in some circumstances were themselves charged with code violations, according to the Associated Press
Baylor’s student code banned dancing until 1996 and only last year removed “fornication,†“adultery,†and “homosexual acts†from its official list of misconduct. Victims say Baylor even punished women who tried to report assaults that happened to other victims:
One woman said her case began when she called police to report a physical assault on another woman at an off-campus party. Police demanded to know if she was underage and had been drinking, then arrested and reported her to the school office that investigates conduct code violations, she said. She told Baylor officials her drinking was a result of being raped a month earlier and detailed what happened in person and in a letter.
She received an alcohol code violation and told to do 25 hours community service, and when she tried to appeal, the woman said Baylor officials urged her to drop it. The school never pursued her rape claim.
“I was told by many Baylor staff that they couldn’t do anything for me because my assault was off campus, yet they had no problem punishing me for my off-campus drinking,†the woman said.
Universities are required by federal law to investigate sexual assaults, whether they happen on- or off-campus, and feds informed Baylor in 2011 that its conduct policy may have a chilling effect on sexual assault reporting. Being caught drinking alcohol is cause for expulsion under Baylor’s student conduct policy.
Pepper Hamilton’s report cited the policy as “creating barriers†to victims reporting their assaults, due both to fears of being punished and those of parental informing.
Baylor’s student code banned dancing until 1996 and only last year removed “fornication,†“adultery,†and “homosexual acts†from its official list of misconduct. Victims say Baylor even punished women who tried to report assaults that happened to other victims:
One woman said her case began when she called police to report a physical assault on another woman at an off-campus party. Police demanded to know if she was underage and had been drinking, then arrested and reported her to the school office that investigates conduct code violations, she said. She told Baylor officials her drinking was a result of being raped a month earlier and detailed what happened in person and in a letter.
She received an alcohol code violation and told to do 25 hours community service, and when she tried to appeal, the woman said Baylor officials urged her to drop it. The school never pursued her rape claim.
“I was told by many Baylor staff that they couldn’t do anything for me because my assault was off campus, yet they had no problem punishing me for my off-campus drinking,†the woman said.
Universities are required by federal law to investigate sexual assaults, whether they happen on- or off-campus, and feds informed Baylor in 2011 that its conduct policy may have a chilling effect on sexual assault reporting. Being caught drinking alcohol is cause for expulsion under Baylor’s student conduct policy.
Pepper Hamilton’s report cited the policy as “creating barriers†to victims reporting their assaults, due both to fears of being punished and those of parental informing.
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So, if this report is correct we can say there was a framework in place that included the collusion of the Waco Police Dept. and the administration with Baylor University. WPD may have selectively enforced (to the fullest degree) the tangential charge of underage drinking while ignoring reported sexual assault. Further, Baylor's administration used the civil penalties enforced by the WPD to coerce those reporting sexual assault by threatening their academic future (breaking of the student code resulting in potential expulsion).
Am I supposed to believe that a bunch of university administrators were doing this on their own accord? These bureaucrats can't take a dump without following protocol.
Remember that reportedly Briles and other staff members would make a show of force to some of the young women who had alleged sexual abuse/assault.
Where are the gatekeepers? Who are the watchers and who is watching the watchers?
And since I have been wanting to get this off my chest for over a year but hadn't found the topic space for it, those bikers that were slaughtered in Waco were ambushed by the WPD. That was a cartel hit and a turkey shoot. If you read the accounts of the bikers who were arrested after the fact (particularly the ones who weren't gang bangers), the WPD in collusion with the DA trumped up major charges upon them while they were still incarcerated and told them they would drop the charges if the accused signed off any future action against WPD etc.
Friggin den of vipers
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