Are You #TeamBuechele Or #TeamEhlinger?
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I'll always take experience over a wet behind the ears freshman.
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I want this team to continue to improve, get back to playing the quality of football we had become accustomed to. Get back to a team where we once again impose fear in our opponents.
With that said, I'm not a huge fan of qb controversy arguments, but I'll play along. I think the biggest factors moving forward are health, experience, and system IQ. Sam is a bigger kid and can probably do more carrying the ball than Shane. Do we really want to consistently rely on either of these guys to carry the ball? Sam has great arm strength but I dont think it is drastically better than Shane.
Shane has the experience, he has proven to be accurate, when healthy, and he knows the system. Herman admitted they condensed the system (plays, reads, checks, etc) for Sam. Moving forward we will need the non condensed version of our offense to be productive. Young, inexperienced Qbs usually are exposed by good defensive coaches as they get more film each week to use. They are both smart kids, no doubt, I think there is an evident drop-off in 'system IQ' from Shans to Sam currently.
Go with the experience, I think Shane is a better athlete than we give him credit for anyway. At the end of the day, whoever is taking snaps gets my support. Hook'em!
With that said, I'm not a huge fan of qb controversy arguments, but I'll play along. I think the biggest factors moving forward are health, experience, and system IQ. Sam is a bigger kid and can probably do more carrying the ball than Shane. Do we really want to consistently rely on either of these guys to carry the ball? Sam has great arm strength but I dont think it is drastically better than Shane.
Shane has the experience, he has proven to be accurate, when healthy, and he knows the system. Herman admitted they condensed the system (plays, reads, checks, etc) for Sam. Moving forward we will need the non condensed version of our offense to be productive. Young, inexperienced Qbs usually are exposed by good defensive coaches as they get more film each week to use. They are both smart kids, no doubt, I think there is an evident drop-off in 'system IQ' from Shans to Sam currently.
Go with the experience, I think Shane is a better athlete than we give him credit for anyway. At the end of the day, whoever is taking snaps gets my support. Hook'em!
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I'm not sure you can grade either with the current state of the OL. See Mason Rudolph vs TCU without his top OL and another starter out.
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#TeamEhlinger with our O-Line
#TeamBuechele with a better pass-blocking O-Line
#TeamBuechele with a better pass-blocking O-Line
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I'm team "I WANT TO WIN f##kING GAMES"
Texas has two QBs that both have shown sign that they can get it done now we just have to let it play out and see who takes the bull by the horns.
On another note:
I know everyone talks about Herman's offense being more effective with a running QB and I hate it.
Without a QB you don't have sh*t. Running QBs are significant more like to go down with an injury. Why risk it?
Look at Florida St. right now.
USC without Darnold?
UCLA without Rosen?
Oklahoma without Mayfield?
And who can forget Texas vs Alabama.
On another note:
I know everyone talks about Herman's offense being more effective with a running QB and I hate it.
Without a QB you don't have sh*t. Running QBs are significant more like to go down with an injury. Why risk it?
Look at Florida St. right now.
USC without Darnold?
UCLA without Rosen?
Oklahoma without Mayfield?
And who can forget Texas vs Alabama.
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Good point, and I can't really argue with your logic. However, it is also true that THIS offense is designed to have a running threat at QB. I base that on what Herman did at OSU and UH. It is his offense.
Coaches can talk all they want about adapting to their talent, and good coaches do to an extend. But don't kid yourself, they have their system that they want to fit kids into.
I am #TeamBuechele. Love both of them though. Here is why I pick Shane:
1. I haven't seen anything in these two games that makes me think Sam is that much of a better runner. I keep seeing that is the reason to start him but I just haven't seen anything for me to think he's that much better than Shane in this sense. Not saying it isn't in there. I just haven't seen it.
2. I want the QB to be able to get rid of the ball quickly and accurately with this O-line. That is Shane. He has appeared to be far more accurate than what I have seen from Sam so far. He can also get through those progressions quicker than Sam.
3. I just can't get out of my head how bad our offense was for 55 minutes last game. in 12 possessions the offense accounted for 3 points, 3 turnovers, and only 178 yards. Now, a LOT goes into that being so bad. It isn't on Ehlinger. I just think if Shane is in there we complete a few more of those short passes on 1st and 2nd down that make it easier on 3rd down.
4. All this goes out of the window if Buechele is still not healthy. Sam needs to start until Shane is fully good to go! I don't want him playing hurt like most of last year. Ehlinger is a lot better than Swoopes and not a huge drop off to the backup. Keep Shane healthy.
1. I haven't seen anything in these two games that makes me think Sam is that much of a better runner. I keep seeing that is the reason to start him but I just haven't seen anything for me to think he's that much better than Shane in this sense. Not saying it isn't in there. I just haven't seen it.
2. I want the QB to be able to get rid of the ball quickly and accurately with this O-line. That is Shane. He has appeared to be far more accurate than what I have seen from Sam so far. He can also get through those progressions quicker than Sam.
3. I just can't get out of my head how bad our offense was for 55 minutes last game. in 12 possessions the offense accounted for 3 points, 3 turnovers, and only 178 yards. Now, a LOT goes into that being so bad. It isn't on Ehlinger. I just think if Shane is in there we complete a few more of those short passes on 1st and 2nd down that make it easier on 3rd down.
4. All this goes out of the window if Buechele is still not healthy. Sam needs to start until Shane is fully good to go! I don't want him playing hurt like most of last year. Ehlinger is a lot better than Swoopes and not a huge drop off to the backup. Keep Shane healthy.
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I remember when Shane Buechele was the QB Du Jour. I remember when everyone (including the mods) were saying he was the anointed one and would take us to the promised land.
Where are those guys now?
Every year it is the same thing. The arm chair QB's howl for the next man up.
And the only reason people are saying Sam is a better fit is because some talking head or mod said it is so. And neither of them know diddly.
Here is my take on Shane. The kid is smart and, last year, made WAY better decisions than a true freshman should have. And, lest we forget, that is exactly what he was. In addition, if I am a first year coach, making 5M a year, I damn sure want the most experienced QB running my offense. Especially now that I am 1 - 2 for the season.
And here is another point - is Herman a football coach or not? (I am not sold on Beck, what so ever) IMO, a good football coach fits his offense to the talent on hand. He doesn't try to squeeze unsuitable or mediocre talent to a pre-conceived offense. He had a QB with a years experience and a true freshman.
Me, I'm going with the experience and designing an offense to meet his skills.
USC ate Sam alive, as it should have. I'm convinced we would have done better with Shane. Those of you that argue that Sam avoided several sacks are overlooking the 9 sacks that he took. His legs sure didn't help him then.
I'm thinking Shane's experience and excellent arm would have mitigated his lesser running ability by dumping off or throwing away passes. Something that true freshman didn't do.
Where are those guys now?
Every year it is the same thing. The arm chair QB's howl for the next man up.
And the only reason people are saying Sam is a better fit is because some talking head or mod said it is so. And neither of them know diddly.
Here is my take on Shane. The kid is smart and, last year, made WAY better decisions than a true freshman should have. And, lest we forget, that is exactly what he was. In addition, if I am a first year coach, making 5M a year, I damn sure want the most experienced QB running my offense. Especially now that I am 1 - 2 for the season.
And here is another point - is Herman a football coach or not? (I am not sold on Beck, what so ever) IMO, a good football coach fits his offense to the talent on hand. He doesn't try to squeeze unsuitable or mediocre talent to a pre-conceived offense. He had a QB with a years experience and a true freshman.
Me, I'm going with the experience and designing an offense to meet his skills.
USC ate Sam alive, as it should have. I'm convinced we would have done better with Shane. Those of you that argue that Sam avoided several sacks are overlooking the 9 sacks that he took. His legs sure didn't help him then.
I'm thinking Shane's experience and excellent arm would have mitigated his lesser running ability by dumping off or throwing away passes. Something that true freshman didn't do.
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