A&M Gavin Stansbury

[PropositionJoe]

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I bet he didn't say that to his parents when he recruited him....

not that it matters at all, but stansbury was a sherman recruit. 

again, not that it matters. 

 

[java]

Joe, you are right, it doesn't matter who recruited Stansbury, the problem still exists.  The simple fact remains that I wouldn't want my son to become immersed in that culture.  It's toxic.

 

[Randolph Duke]

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[texasdobbs]

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Interesting.... I thought????

 

[MikeV73]

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Interesting.... I thought????

Did he play last season? How could he be eligible for this season after a transfer? Did Sumlin recommend this possible criminal (if deemed guilty by a court of law) to his prior school coaches and administrators? Food for thought.

 

[doc longhorn]

not that it matters at all, but stansbury was a sherman recruit. 

again, not that it matters. 

Yes I knew that.

Joe, let me be clear about something and I say this because I like you.  Texas A&M is a fine institution with a terrific student body.  I know this personally.

But, like America's silent majority, they have allowed the fruitcakes and nerds, whom I believe are the minority, to be the loudest and to be the face of TAMU.  The corps being the most ridiculous cult and the magnet for ridicule.  I will admit that fake army is probably no more ridiulous than the "Keep Austin Weird" group of hippies and naer-do-wells that we have.  OMG - wait - I'm wrong they ARE more ridiculous.   

So, what I believe is happening in the aggie football program is tantamount to a total lack of accountablility, by the Admin, the AD and the coaching staff.  There is no way around it anymore than Mack Browns' country club environment and absenteeism had infected our progrm with rot.

Sumlin is a good coach, is charismatic, but a bad leader.  This was obvious when he was at UH, as well, because the same things happened there that are prevalent now at TAMU.

Because he is a bad leader, he has not only affected the team, but his coaches as well.  The saddest thing for me is to see that that the administration is so desperate for wins and relevance, they were and are willing to overlook his obvious shortcomings.  So much so they gave him a raise, even in the face of a mediocre record, for fear that he might take another job.  This is desperation and a blatent cry for relevance - not just in the college football world, but more importantly in the state of Texas - where UT has ruled.

I'm afraid that aggy has hitched its wagon to the devil and, ultimately, the chickens WILL come home to roost.

 

[MikeV73]

Yes I knew that.

Joe, let me be clear about something and I say this because I like you. Texas A&M is a fine institution with a terrific student body. I know this personally.

But, like America's silent majority, they have allowed the fruitcakes and nerds, whom I believe are the minority, to be the loudest and to be the face of TAMU. The corps being the most ridiculous cult and the magnet for ridicule. I will admit that fake army is probably no more ridiulous than the "Keep Austin Weird" group of hippies and naer-do-wells that we have. OMG - wait - I'm wrong they ARE more ridiculous.

So, what I believe is happening in the aggie football program is tantamount to a total lack of accountablility, by the Admin, the AD and the coaching staff. There is no way around it anymore than Mack Browns' country club environment and absenteeism had infected our progrm with rot.

Sumlin is a good coach, is charismatic, but a bad leader. This was obvious when he was at UH, as well, because the same things happened there that are prevalent now at TAMU.

Because he is a bad leader, he has not only affected the team, but his coaches as well. The saddest thing for me is to see that that the administration is so desperate for wins and relevance, they were and are willing to overlook his obvious shortcomings. So much so they gave him a raise, even in the face of a mediocre record, for fear that he might take another job. This is desperation and a blatent cry for relevance - not just in the college football world, but more importantly in the state of Texas - where UT has ruled.

I'm afraid that aggy has hitched its wagon to the devil and, ultimately, the chickens WILL come home to roost.

Haven't heard fruitcake or nerd used in quite awhile, nice selections. Wait, I think this is dating us.

 

[BudreauReye]

Haven't heard fruitcake or nerd used in quite awhile, nice selections. Wait, I think this is dating us.

Wait!  Whut?  Who you say is being dated? 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Texas A&M is a fine institution with a terrific student body.  I know this personally.

But, like America's silent majority, they have allowed the fruitcakes and nerds, whom I believe are the minority, to be the loudest and to be the face of TAMU.  The corps being the most ridiculous cult and the magnet for ridicule.

I have a friend & neighbor who is aggie to the Corps, pun intended. Class of '90, Corps of Cadet, served in the Air Force upon graduation (so I cut him some slack with the "fake army" banter).  I asked him about Sumlin's program and their obvious lack of discipline, "How does this align with your sacred Aggie Honor Code?"  His response?  And I'll quote him verbatim to avoid ambiguity, 

"I only care about winning when it comes to football.  The honor code only applies to the true Aggies...Corps of Cadet members."

Really?  An aggie doesn't lie, cheat, steal or tolerate those who do...unless they play on the football team?  Non-regs, who make up the vast majority of their student body aren't "true aggies"? 

W...T...F.  Just who the hell is manning the store down there anyway?  Hypocrisy defined

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Did he play last season? How could he be eligible for this season after a transfer? Did Sumlin recommend this possible criminal (if deemed guilty by a court of law) to his prior school coaches and administrators? Food for thought.

Stansbury is eligible immediately without appeal if he has already graduated from A&M.

Remember Russell Wilson transferred from NC State to Wisconsin - he didn't sit out either.  But, yeah, why would you recommend an alleged felon to your old school?  Why wouldn't you talk him into staying because he's your best returning DL?

Kinda crazy...but, aggie, right?

 

[MikeV73]

Stansbury is eligible immediately without appeal if he has already graduated from A&M.

Remember Russell Wilson transferred from NC State to Wisconsin - he didn't sit out either. But, yeah, why would you recommend an alleged felon to your old school? Why wouldn't you talk him into staying because he's your best returning DL?

Kinda crazy...but, aggie, right?

Didn't realize he had graduated? Was he starting his masters at A&M in animal husbandry prior to "leaving" the team?

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

Didn't realize he had graduated? Was he starting his masters at A&M in animal husbandry prior to "leaving" the team?

I have no idea.  I don't care enough about aggie ballers to review their academic achievements.

"So, Gavin, I hear you majored in Physical Education"

GS: "Naw...P.E."

 

[MikeV73]

I have no idea. I don't care enough about aggie ballers to review their academic achievements.

"So, Gavin, I hear you majored in Physical Education"

GS: "Naw...P.E."

I'm sure Manziel will come back to college station every summer to complete his degr...I mean to party like a rock star!!!

 

[PropositionJoe]

Joe, let me be clear about something and I say this because I like you. Texas A&M is a fine institution with a terrific student body. I know this personally.

thanks. i appreciate your ability to separate out sports related rivalries with personal ones.

I will admit that fake army is probably no more ridiulous than the "Keep Austin Weird" group of hippies and naer-do-wells that we have. OMG - wait - I'm wrong they ARE more ridiculous.

 
you know, the corps is about 2k out of a 50k campus. I think they (as a whole) serve as a representative symbol of the campus, but i dont think that 2k can really speak for 50k (at least in my opinion). 

Additionally, from a bigger picture perspective, i think every fanbase has it's fair share of assholes, and like you said those assholes tend to be louder and prouder than the rest of us normal folks. A&M is no different in that regards

There is no way around it anymore than Mack Browns' country club environment and absenteeism had infected our progrm with rot.

i find the rhetoric and vitriol towards sumlin amusing because it absolutely mirrors all of the stuff that we said about mack when he came on board. I dont know that he is a bad leader...and truthfully (maybe this is naive on my part), I'm willing to take him at his word about developing players. 

case in point, I've met claiborne and golden. Hell, I once saw them in walmart when I was with one of my kids and both were very respectful. Golden even went as far as to give my son a high five. 

I cant imagine being in position to make decisions that directly relate to these kids futures. I'm sure it's an incredibly complex process, therefore I'm not really willing to judge sumlin for what he has and hasnt done because I dont know what I would do in that position. 

As for the raise and extension, it's a common thing. Dodds gave mack a raise and extension after the 8-4 2010 campaign.

So anyways, back to your point. I dont think it's all doom and gloom as you're making it out to be, but I can certainly understand your perspective. Agree to disagree. 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I don't recall Mack experiencing 19 arrests and 4+ behavioral dismissals in a two year period, even in the heady "Book 'Em Horns" days.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

As for the raise and extension, it's a common thing. Dodds gave mack a raise and extension after the 8-4 2010 campaign.

In hindsight, Orangebloods regretfully remember this bonehead move as "DeLoss' Folly" and attribute it to Mr. Dodd's onset of Junior Alzheimer's 

 

[J.B. TexasEx]

I'm sure Manziel will come back to college station every summer to complete his degr...I mean to party like a rock star!!!

Are you joking?

JFF got the hell out of Collie Station ASAP.  He didn't return this past summer and won't be back until A&M unveils his statue at "The House That Johnny Built".  JFF will say all the right things during his speech, just like he did during his NFL screening interviews ala Eddie Haskell (Google it, youngsters!).

 

[PropositionJoe]

you're right about that JB, and i can tell you that i'm not at all comfortable with the arrests that we've had. 

i do remember casting stones in the late 00s when mack had something like 7 players suspended or so in a couple month span. 

 

[bcherry168]

Texas and A&M have always had a great rivalry, and they are both great institutions. Both universities have their share of assholes, believe me. I was born when my Dad was on the coaching staff at Texas and was growing up in Austin as he became head coach, then retired. I graduated from The University with a BA and a law degree. I love Texas.

My daughter went to A&M. Graduated Class of '99. I spent a lot of time on the A&M campus during her 4 1/2 years there. She became all Aggie, believe me. Including working on the Bonfire all 4 years. You can imagine my terror when I awoke on morning before Thanksgiving in 1999 and heard about the collapse of the bonfire. I called her immediately, and she was not home. Thankfully, she had not been there, but had gone to the scene when she heard about it. It was, of course, a terrible tragedy. My wife and I packed immediately an left to College Station.

On of my daughter's friends at A&M was John Cunningham, the son of Bill Cunningham, the Chancellor at the time of Texas. The Cunninghams, of course had planned to be there for the game that week. We had dinner and went to the memorial service that A&M held for the kids that were killed and injured when the bonfire collapsed. In my 75 years I have never seen anything like that. Tens of thousands of people gathered at the site, and then as the service continued marched over to Kyle Field and filed into the stadium. With all of those people, it was still very quiet and orderly. The proceedings at Kyle Field were their traditional "Midnight Yell" that they have before every game. I have been to others with some Aggie friends when they played out at Tech over the years, but this one was different. They did the yells OK, but after each one the crowd was silent until the next yell. Nothing raucous at all. It was more like a church service. I won't go into all the details. At the end, the football team went to the sideline and greeted each survivor, then they went back across the field and into the stands. All of this time the crowd (over 1/2 of the stadium) was very quite. Then after all the players went under the stands, one came running back out on the field, and the crowd went wild for a minute or two, then he went back under the stands, the crowd went quiet, and slowly filed out of the stadium.....very quietly. One of the most amazing things I have ever seen.

I told Bill that I would hate to be Mack Brown bringing a football team into College Station the next day.

The University had student representatives at the memorial service, and the student body at Texas was very supportive of the Aggies during that time. The Aggies all greatly appreciated it.

I go through all of this to underscore that although we have a great traditional rivalry with A&M, they are still a sister school, with students and players from the same communities that UT students come from. There may be a few on both sides that let the competition get out of hand, but with most it is a rivalry that we engage in with mutual respect.....as we should.

I am sorry that any of these young athletes have gotten themselves in trouble. Since we are all recruiting from the same communities, none of us are immune to mistakes. I think that perhaps Sumlin may have made some mistakes in how he has handled the problems with some of those kids, but Mack did as well. So has Stoops, and so will Charlie Strong. It is part of the territory of being a football coach in a very competitive environment.

So far I am very impressed with Charlie Strong and his approach to discipline. I am ready to get on with some football!

 

[BudreauReye]

you know, the corps is about 2k out of a 50k campus. I think they (as a whole) serve as a representative symbol of the campus, but i dont think that 2k can really speak for 50k (at least in my opinion). 

Additionally, from a bigger picture perspective, i think every fanbase has it's fair share of assholes, and like you said those assholes tend to be louder and prouder than the rest of us normal folks. A&M is no different in that regards

Joe, despite your protestations of normalcy for your compatriots, aggie is way different than most in this respect.  They have taken it a step further, and institutionalized their assholery.

 

[Randolph Duke]

The University had student representatives at the memorial service, and the student body at Texas was very supportive of the Aggies during that time. The Aggies all greatly appreciated it.

I go through all of this to underscore that although we have a great traditional rivalry with A&M, they are still a sister school, with students and players from the same communities that UT students come from. There may be a few on both sides that let the competition get out of hand, but with most it is a rivalry that we engage in with mutual respect.....as we should

I appreciate your perspective on the relationship between the schools, but "mutual respect" seems a bit generous.

Texas alumni and administrators have time and again done their bit to foster mutual respect between the two schools. You mention the representation during the memorial service, but you failed to include the halftime performance of the UT band at halftime of that came, from the selection of music to the dipping of all flags except that of tamu as they left the field. The band similarly tried to be respectful and appreciative during the 2011 game. You failed to mention the efforts of UT and Rice in helping tamu obtail AAU accreditation. And, most significantly, you forgot to mention the attacks on the personal integrity and reputations of Powers and Delos's by Loft in, Sharp and Byrne during aggy's exit from the Big 12.

Nothing the aggys did during the realignment saga refiectex mutual respect. That senior administrators of a public university publicly attacked the integrity of senior administrators of another public university is unforgivable. Much of my animus toward tamu derives from those personal attacks. To this day, they have never been defended by anyone at UT and the are echoed by the tamu sheeple on a daily basis.

Mutual respect is a fiction. I cannot think of a single incident over the past 30 years when the offering of respect was other than one sided. When (not if) another incident arises where tamu expects the good will and respect of UT, its administrators, alumni or students, I hope the aggys are offered the lesson that their past actions were not forgotten. The bottom line is that tamu culture accepts, but never offers respect. Offering them respect is a wasted exercise.