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[Sejjr]

Wide receivers, tight ends are not buying in to what is being sold. We need linebackers and defensive backs. Blaming the poor recruiting on Mack is a stretch, because Charlie's vision is what they aren't buying. We have no choice but to brace and deal with the upcoming season, but as of today, there is Zero evidence Charlie Strong can recruit at this level in this part if the country.

Again, you are just pulling suppositions out of thin air. Everything you are stating as fact goes against everything else I am hearing and reading about Strong and his recruiting. The only facts you have to base anything on are the recruits committing to Sumlin. Texas is in the mix for highly ranked recruits at every position you mention, including multiple 5-stars. If Texas were to sign Sheffield, Jefferson, and Burt for instance, they'd be ranked just as high in the "rankings" as the coveted aggies. And all those players are possibilities. As is a flip or 2, which will no doubt occur if the season plays out as I expect.

 

[Aaron Carrara]

#INCREDULOUS

 

[texasdobbs]

Ok the naysayers are starting to bore me now... your going to believe what you want to believe. .. good luck and hookem

 

[Randolph Duke]

So in other words, in two years Strong will be where Sumlin is now or perhaps better?

I base this solely on the fact that LV's results under Strong were more impressive than Houston's results under Sumlin.

How did athletes get any idea whatsoever that Sumlin could develop them during his time at Houston? He barely made any noise there.

I think you're in some sort of pointless panic mode. So far, I'm not buying what you're selling. Instead, I'm wondering why you're sticking your neck out so far on such a brittle little limb. Much of what you're referring to is just hype without substance. Substance always wins in the end. Hype gets exposed.

You talk up Sumlin's ability to recruit defensive stars. I counter with why is their defense the lousiest around? Is that developing talent? I don't think so.

Every argument you have made has unquestionably been made to the recruits and Strong has been rejected every single time when top instate recruits were at stake. Every single time.  

I have said a number of times, I can understand why top recruits don't want anything to do with Shawn Watson, but it makes no sense that Sumlin is kicking the snot out of Charlie Strong on the defensive side of the ball. Strong's failure to recruit at what should be his strength is what is leading me to believe he simply can't articulate a vision for the program to the recruits. When defensive players tell Strong "no thanks, I will take my chances with Kevin Sumlin" you have a HUGE problem and that is what I think we have.

Sumlin recruited lights out within six weeks of signing with aggy. Mind you, one third of the players he recruited are gone, mostly for character issues, but he recruited well in his first year, brought energy to the program, delivered a Heisman and put a withering aggy program in a recruiting position that it is kicking the crap out of every coach in Texas. In Strong's first six months, he has delivered a message that we need to set our expectations low and that we won't be able to recruit much for at least a year. So far, I think we hired the wrong guy. 

Louisville's results under Strong were FAR more impressive than Sumlin's under Sumlin, yet Sumlin showed he can articulate a vision to recruits and Strong has shown even with his accomplishments at Louisville, players think they have a much better chance if they go aggy. Why? There has to be something about Strong that makes him incapable of convincing young recruits at the highest level. 

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Yes aggiy defense has sucked and Louisville had a highly ranked defense yet every top defensive recruit in Texas is choosing aggy. It is crazy but it is realty. 

That brings us to two things:

1. They go to aggy where defense goes to die.

2. Strong will field a great defense with non-stars.

I'm not sure I understand the concern here. 

 

[Sejjr]

Yes aggiy defense has sucked and Louisville had a highly ranked defense yet every top defensive recruit in Texas is choosing aggy. It is crazy but it is realty. 

What part of "Heisman Trophy," "Johnny Football," "SEC!," and "3 first round draft picks" do you not understand? Aggy recruiting has ZERO to do with their on field performance and everything to do with the hype they are trading on right now. It will end as soon as they start losing games this year. 

Swallow the bitter pill already and realize that there is hope. Or don't. Just stop perpetuating the aggy myth.

 

[texasdobbs]

in·cred·u·lous - unwilling to admit or accept what is offered as true.

Aaron you test me on that one.... I had to bust out the dictionary. ... lol

 

[Sirhornsalot]

Strong were FAR more impressive than Sumlin's under Sumlin

Ok, I'm calling you out on the Sumlin love. You're now so believing in the man you've changed the name of the university where he once worked in his honor?

 

[Randolph Duke]

That brings us to two things:

1. They go to aggy where defense goes to die.

2. Strong will field a great defense with non-stars.

I'm not sure I understand the concern here.

I simply do not understand why these recruits would rather take their chances with Sumlin than Strong unless they are dumb as bricks and need Sumlin's online no classroom structure or unless they really like smoking weed and don't want to have to deal with being drug tested.
As for Strong's defense, I will say we will probably have a team that can give Memphis or Eastern Kentucky a good thrashing. The concern here is that we aren't playing Memphis or Eastern Kentucky.

 

[MBHORNSFAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oik6dXm-0l0

 

[DougNTexas]

Did I wake up on Orangebloods today?  Duke, to bad our AD did not pick up his phone and call You before he hired a Head Coach. You could have saved so much trouble by getting him to hire Sumlin. Good thing you were not around in December 1941. You could have had Roosevelt just go ahead and join Toto and Hitlers side.

 

[Lord Vader]

Strong had three first round picks as well. 

 

[utisdabomb12]

Strong wasn't hired for his recruiting ability, he was hired for his player development. Do you think Strong ever had a dominant recruiting class at Louisville? Strong isn't Mack Brown and I'm more then happy with that. Recruiting isn't the end all be all in terms of winning games, Strong proved that at Louisville. Would you rather have Mack raking in recruits even if we were still getting beat down? You can't judge Strong until he actually fields a team on the field. Strong's strength is player development, you have to at least give him a chance to do what he does. 

 

[Aaron Carrara]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlYXp_3A64k

 

[utisdabomb12]

Louisville's 2009 class 58th
2010 45th in the country. 
2011 29th
2012 45th 
2013 36th. 


Strong took over a Louisville team that went 6-6, 5-7, and 4-8 before he arrived. 
Strong in 4 years turned Louisville into a 7-6, 7-6, 11-2, and 12-1 teams. 


Strong isn't like Mack Brown, he doesn't win with recruiting classes. He wins with player development. Melting down over recruiting with Strong is nonsensical, because he's not a great recruiter. That's fine, he's a great coach. 

 

[streettopeschel]

Louisville's 2009 class 58th

2010 45th in the country. 

2011 29th

2012 45th 

2013 36th. 

Strong took over a Louisville team that went 6-6, 5-7, and 4-8 before he arrived. 

Strong in 4 years turned Louisville into a 7-6, 7-6, 11-2, and 12-1 teams. 

Strong isn't like Mack Brown, he doesn't win with recruiting classes. He wins with player development. Melting down over recruiting with Strong is nonsensical, because he's not a great recruiter. That's fine, he's a great coach. 

you're head is so far in the sand. if you can't see the signs that recruits are laughing at us and that recruits are not buying what he's selling and that strong is in over his head and that wickline/watson can't produce nfl talent and that the top recruits won't give us the time of day and that results are measured by non-binding commitments in june and that....damn. i lost my train of thought. but i'm pretty sure your head is in the sand. 

 

[utisdabomb12]

you're head is so far in the sand. if you can't see the signs that recruits are laughing at us and that recruits are not buying what he's selling and that strong is in over his head and that wickline/watson can't produce nfl talent and that the top recruits won't give us the time of day and that results are measured by non-binding commitments in june and that....damn. i lost my train of thought. but i'm pretty sure your head is in the sand. 

LOL. The funniest thing is Strong still produced a top 20 class last year in recruiting and still has a top 15 class this year. The meltdowns over Strong's recruiting are of epic proportions. I think losing recruits to Aggys has a big effect on certain fans. At the end of the day, Strong is getting much better talent then he had at Louisville where he won a BCS game and turned a dumpster fire into a good team. I could understand melting down if we were out of the top 25 in terms of recruiting, but hell we still have a top 15 class and the number 1 class in the Big 12. The sky is falling. 

 

[utisdabomb12]

LOL. The funniest thing is Strong still produced a top 20 class last year in recruiting and still has a top 15 class this year. The meltdowns over Strong's recruiting are of epic proportions. I think losing recruits to Aggys has a big effect on certain fans. At the end of the day, Strong is getting much better talent then he had at Louisville where he won a BCS game and turned a dumpster fire into a good team. I could understand melting down if we were out of the top 25 in terms of recruiting, but hell we still a top 15 class and the number 1 class in the Big 12. The sky is falling. 

Matter of fact if you look at average player ratings Texas would have a top ten class. The only reason schools like Miami are ranked above Texas in recruiting comes down to numbers (Miami has 15 commits and Texas only 10).Texas will eventually get the numbers. I just don't understand the melts, Texas is on pace to still have a top 10 class when you look at the players it can get. 

 

[MikeV73]

So what will the naysayers think if the Horns win 9 games this season? Would Strong be cheered for coaching Mack's recruits, or vilified for a recruiting class that isn't even on campus yet? As an armchair college football coach, I think I will at least attempt to enjoy the season and root for our Horns. I'll worry about all the redshirted freshmen pups once they can actually take the field and then decide if I am still a college football savant. I like what Strong stands for, and hopefully his leadership translates to a hugely successful program for the next decade or so. Developing kids in to responsible adults seems like a noble cause. With that said, of course I want the high profile recruits on the 40 acres, and feel this will soon be the norm once again.

 

[utisdabomb12]

Texas is in a substantial lead for the following players. 

Chris Warren

John Burt

Madison Akamnonu

Ryan Newsome 

Cameron Townsend 

JW Ketchum

Tyler Moore 

Takkarist Mckinley

Lampkin

Texas will get a couple out of this group too. (IMO we will end up with at least Wheeler, Brown and Gragg). 

Kendall Sheffield

Malik Jefferson 

Keisan Lucier South

Kris Boyd

Anthony Wheeler

Will Gragg

Roney Elam

Keke Coutee

Holton Hill

Louis Brown

Texas is on pace for a top 10 class. The sky is absolutely falling.